Studs and duds KC

[mradtke66]

They already replaced LS Bradley, you don't cut Bozo

I heard rumblings, though now I cannot find the post, that he was willing let go, in part, to being a substandard holder when he was in Buffalo.

Unsure if true, but I’m pretty sure we saw the laces wrong-way on other kicks too.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Rodgers plays we blow KC out. Unreal how Crosby can’t be counted on anymore. He barley makes his damn extra points without it hooking smh. I’m out on him they need a younger BETTER kicker at this point.

Missing a FG isn't always the kickers fault. The Packers cut long snapper Hunter Bradley on 11/2, his replacement needs some work, his second FG snap was too high. Also, really not sure why Bozo is having a hard time getting the laces out?

I get people wanting to blame Crosby and maybe he is kicking bad, but there is usually more to it, and releasing your LS that has been doing it since 2018, something was up.

NFL analysts, including Terry Bradshaw, rip Aaron Rodgers on pregame shows: 'You lied to everyone'

Several NFL analysts, including Hall of Famers Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson, criticized Aaron Rodgers on pregame shows for his "selfish" actions.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Firethorn1001]

Duds : Love's accuracy left a lot to be desired, but the game plan didn't do him any favors. I thought the plan would be to get the RBs involved more (35+ touches) and throwing the ball 25+ times. They didn't, and I have no idea why. Plus they had no adjustments for the blitzes that were coming over and over it seemed.

Coming out of this, I sure feel better as a Packer fan than I would as a Chief's fan. They are all sorts of lost on the offensive front. You would have thought 2 rookie QBs were playing.

 

[PackAttack12]

And they all didn't play on teams who had back to back 13-3 seasons and we're #1 in the conference did they?

That's the unfortunate thing about this game. The Chiefs are far from a juggernaut defensively and Love had weapons at his disposal, along with a defense that's one of the best the Packers have had in a long time. They only give up 13, yet it never felt like the Packers had a chance.

Like I said earlier, LaFleur's plan wasn't good. He acknowledged that after the game. But still and all, it was a pretty poor performance. But, he'll have more opportunities and surely he'll be better next time. I just don't know how much better.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And they all didn't play on teams who had back to back 13-3 seasons and we're #1 in the conference did they?

Nor were they a substitute for a FHOF QB, who had more than a little something to do with the 13-3 seasons and our 7-1 start.

 

[jhawk008]

Nor were they a substitute for a FHOF QB, who had more than a little something to do with the 13-3 seasons and our 7-1 start.

So we are giving Rodgers the overwhelming majority of credit for the 13-3 seasons then? Why did we draft a 1st round QB then if that's the case, and why have fans been clamoring for JLove


An average QB is able to put up more than 7 points

 

[Dantés]

Yeah his rhythm throws weren't into real tight windows, though.

He hit a couple of nice ones in what appeared to be zone coverage, but I'd have to watch again to know for sure. And he hit Davante on a crosser, and an out that were good throws against man coverage. But for the most part I just don't recall many throws that stood out at all.

There were not many. That’s for sure.

 

[KiDcUdI]

Is it possible that these two performances are somehow connected?

To an extent. I just mean to say the same problems I saw from him at Utah St, and I watched every single snap he had after we drafted him, he is making the same mistakes. The YOLO throws are still there. The one to Cobb was bad. The one where he avoided the sack and he just threw it to Lewis was a YOLO throw. He didnt know who was there when he threw it. The bad pass to Dillon that should have been pick 6'd. The terrible mechanics when he did throw. Feet all over the place caused the ball to be all over the place.

Not being able to read a defense presnap also made the offensive line look worse than it was. They were blitzing heavily and it was obvious. He didnt know how to make the adjustments necessary at the line to beat the blitz. Just a lot of bad in this one from Love.

 

[OldSchool101]

Rodgers showed flashes of being an impact player in his first real game time against the Cowboys. That's the real difference

Rodgers was projected by some as #1 overall draft selection that slid heavily. He’d better perform after 2.5 seasons! He threw for 1 TD and 200 yards in his 3rd season. Big woop
Love was projected as a late Day 1 selection that needed edges smoothed off.
Love has 3 preseason contests under his belt before ever taking a snap in any meaningful action. In comparison to Rodgers 12 preseason games and then an additional 5 partial regular season games over the previous 2 seasons. In which he performed even worse than Love did over his first 30+ throws sample size.

Different scenarios imo

I’m not saying Love played terrific. He looked disjointed and that mixed with KC keeping 8 in the box and sending an unusual amount of pressure. But also to make some ultimate prognostication for his career value is just bordering on ridiculous. As you said, You’re opinion is heavily biased on you wanting a different player drafted, which is fine.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So we are giving Rodgers the overwhelming majority of credit for the 13-3 seasons then? Why did we draft a 1st round QB then if that's the case, and why have fans been clamoring for JLove


An average QB is able to put up more than 7 points

I don't think we have to rehash why Love was selected. Again, I ask you, what were you expecting from Love today? You said that you knew he was a bad pick, so I assume he met your expectations today?

I've seen QB's playing in their first game, look much worse. We're you expecting him to play like an average QB and thus score more than 7 points? This same offense scored 3 points against the Saints this year, does that mean Aaron Rodgers is also not as good as an average QB?

 

[OldSchool101]

Duds : Love's accuracy left a lot to be desired, but the game plan didn't do him any favors. I thought the plan would be to get the RBs involved more (35+ touches) and throwing the ball 25+ times. They didn't, and I have no idea why. Plus they had no adjustments for the blitzes that were coming over and over it seemed.

Coming out of this, I sure feel better as a Packer fan than I would as a Chief's fan. They are all sorts of lost on the offensive front. You would have thought 2 rookie QBs were playing.

Add to that a hostile crowd environment, noise and moderate wind which obviously affected several throws and punts etc..

 

[Pugger]

This was pretty much the game I expected out of Love, nervous, a bit indecisive and a big drop off from what Packers are used to. I also think that KC's DC Spagnuolo had a great gameplan for Love. I do think Love showed some good things and if special teams had just played "average", we could have won that game.

I think most of us questioned the hiring/promoting of Drayton to be the special teams coach. For once, I think the majority of the Packer forum was much smarter than whomever (MLF I assume) made that decision. I wouldn't wait til tomorrow, he's fired as soon as they land in GB.

I agree about Drayton but who do we get to take his place at this point in the season?

 

[Mondio]

Love was bad.

But it’s also hard to get a great feel for him when the protection was so poor.

That’s not an excuse. He was independently bad. But I would have liked to get a better feel of what he can do with at least an average amount of time.

He had some brief moments but overall it wasn’t good. Lots of inaccurate throws. I expected some of that. But he had pressure in his face a lot and didn’t know what to do.

But in the end, how good he’s going to be will depend on how he learns from this game not how he performed in it.

And I hope not to it find out for a while

 

[PackAttack12]

He had some brief moments but overall it wasn’t good. Lots of inaccurate throws. I expected some of that. But he had pressure in his face a lot and didn’t know what to do.

But in the end, how good he’s going to be will depend on how he learns from this game not how he performed in it.

And I hope not to it find out for a while

The predicament is that more than likely, this is the last game the Packers will see Love play for the rest of the season. Makes it more and more difficult to pull the trigger on moving on from Rodgers.

Gute would never admit this, but I think he's sweating a little after this game. Because it's going to be near impossible to keep Rodgers for next season at his current cap number, but at the same time there's no way he can feel comfortable with moving on to Love just yet.

He better be figuring out how to appease Rodgers to talk him into restructuring to come back.

Either that, or there could be some serious lumps taken next season in the first year of the Love regime.

 

[Pugger]

Yeah. In retrospect, I Think that game with Rodgers goes 23-16 Packers.

It’s amazing what Stud: Joe Barry has done with our iLB’s. Totally superior to anything we’ve had for years.

Imagine had we had a healthy Jaire and Za’darius in the mix. He did much of this without 2 of his best 3-4 defenders.

Kenny Clark too.

 

[Dantés]

The predicament is that more than likely, this is the last game the Packers will see Love play for the rest of the season. Makes it more and more difficult to pull the trigger on moving on from Rodgers.

Gute would never admit this, but I think he's sweating a little after this game. Because it's going to be near impossible to keep Rodgers for next season at his current cap number, but at the same time there's no way he can feel comfortable with moving on to Love just yet.

He better be figuring out how to appease Rodgers to talk him into restructuring to come back.

Either that, or there could be some serious lumps taken next season in the first year of the Love regime.

Another way to think of it is that if Love isn’t the next guy, they will need draft capital to go get that player. So you trade Rodgers, see what you have in Love, and then use the extra future picks to replace him if need be.

They could try to work it out to keep him. But that’s only going to work for another season or two most likely,

 

[gopkrs]

I didn't learn a lot from this game. But one thing that stood out to me was that our inside linebackers only look at what's in front of them and they get beat by a receiver (mainly the TE) getting just deep enough for the the QB to throw over their heads. And there wasn't anything in front of them to look at. The TD to Kelce was really bad by Campbell. He just let Kelce run by him for an easy backyard catch. But I love that we are using the inside linebackers. They make the D better.
If the punter is bad at holding; find someone else. Jeez, a lot of guys could do it. Try Love. The long snapper looked very good on punts.
Newman looks outmatched. I don't know why we moved from Nijman. That was working. Getting Backtiari back will straighten out some things. Would sure like Myers back.

 

[Pugger]

The predicament is that more than likely, this is the last game the Packers will see Love play for the rest of the season. Makes it more and more difficult to pull the trigger on moving on from Rodgers.

Gute would never admit this, but I think he's sweating a little after this game. Because it's going to be near impossible to keep Rodgers for next season at his current cap number, but at the same time there's no way he can feel comfortable with moving on to Love just yet.

He better be figuring out how to appease Rodgers to talk him into restructuring to come back.

Either that, or there could be some serious lumps taken next season in the first year of the Love regime.

I wonder if Gute and company would j

So we are giving Rodgers the overwhelming majority of credit for the 13-3 seasons then? Why did we draft a 1st round QB then if that's the case, and why have fans been clamoring for JLove


An average QB is able to put up more than 7 points

I believe Gute saw a chance to get what he thought was a first round caliber QB (and was the highest rated player on their board) so he went for it and moved up to take Love. How many fans have been clamoring for Love once Rodgers returned to camp this past summer?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree about Drayton but who do we get to take his place at this point in the season?

His former boss Shawn Mennenga is still unemployed. I tell you, being the STC for the Packer is the kiss of death. Maybe they hired Drayton, because he was the only one who said "yes" to it? I don't think anyone if these guys, except Mike Stock left Green Bay for a better job and Stock retired. I also believe that Stock was the only one that had a top 10 ranked unit, in 2007, 7th best.

Cromwell (1992-’97)
Johnny Holland (1998)
Steve Ortmayer (1999)
Frank Novak (2000-’02)
John Bonamego (2003-’05)
Mike Stock (2006-’08)
Shawn Slocum (2009-’14)
Ron Zook (2015-’18)
Mennenga (2019-’20).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I didn't learn a lot from this game. But one thing that stood out to me was that our inside linebackers only look at what's in front of them and they get beat by a receiver (mainly the TE) getting just deep enough for the the QB to throw over their heads. And there wasn't anything in front of them to look at. The TD to Kelce was really bad by Campbell. He just let Kelce run by him for an easy backyard catch. But I love that we are using the inside linebackers. They make the D better.
If the punter is bad at holding; find someone else. Jeez, a lot of guys could do it. Try Love. The long snapper looked very good on punts.
Newman looks outmatched. I don't know why we moved from Nijman. That was working. Getting Backtiari back will straighten out some things. Would sure like Myers back.

Just curious, because I don't know. At some point in that route, shouldn't one of the safeties pick up the TE? Especially, when playing against someone as good as Kelce. Seems the Packers defense is notorious for being burned by TE's.

 

[gopkrs]

Just curious, because I don't know. At some point in that route, shouldn't one of the safeties pick up the TE? Especially, when playing against someone as good as Kelce. Seems the Packers defense is notorious for being burned by TE's.

My impression was they were busy. The play in my mind sees Kelce coming from the KC left side and running to the totally open space just past the middle and just deep enough. My comment was just about the inside linebackers not being taught to also be aware of what is coming in behind them. Head on a swivel. Especially when there is not really a lot going on in front of them. It makes the QB more dangerous on a run but you can't just give up easy 15 or 20 yard passes. They need to see that coming and if necessary, back pedal imho. I assume you weren't talking about the TD grab. Because there just was nobody there. Campbell needed to go with Kelce.

 

[OldSchool101]

Another way to think of it is that if Love isn’t the next guy, they will need draft capital to go get that player. So you trade Rodgers, see what you have in Love, and then use the extra future picks to replace him if need be.

They could try to work it out to keep him. But that’s only going to work for another season or two most likely,

I think it’s always a reasonable contingency plan. Especially If we see a QB that’s a good fit slide outside that more costly, top 3-4 overall draft selection area. I’d still consider packaging and moving up to get another one.

That said, I still think we haven’t seen the best of Jordan Love. This was a tough environment to start your career on short notice. I recall Hundley jumping in against the Bears when Rodgers hurt his knee several years ago. He was getting humiliated from snap 1 with continual pressure packages. It’s hard for a rookie QB to adjust on the fly like that. Especially when he’s not fully prepared as a #1 leading up to that contest. Jordan doesn’t like to lose and he’s not going down without a fight. I remember his former coach referencing that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

My impression was they were busy. The play in my mind sees Kelce coming from the KC left side and running to the totally open space just past the middle and just deep enough. My comment was just about the inside linebackers not being taught to also be aware of what is coming in behind them. Head on a swivel. Especially when there is not really a lot going on in front of them. It makes the QB more dangerous on a run but you can't just give up easy 15 or 20 yard passes. They need to see that coming and if necessary, back pedal imho. I assume you weren't talking about the TD grab. Because there just was nobody there. Campbell needed to go with Kelce.

I remember the play you are talking about, I think Aikman even talked about how Kelce settled right in behind Barnes and that Barnes was too focused on everything in front of him.

One of these days I hope the Packers can get a hold of a game changing TE like Kelce or Kittle. Tonyan looked like he might be like that, last season, but he pretty much turned back into what the Packers are use to. Deguara had 2 catches today, but only for 16 yds and Lewis only 1, for -1 yard. Aaron Jones didn't have any catches, can't remember the last game where that happened, Carolina in 2019?

 

[BrokenArrow]

Studs: Defense


Duds: Special teams.. and Jordan Love. If he's an average QB they win this game, that's how great this defense played

It wasn't nearly as bad as the Saints game a couple months ago.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Love didn't get a lot of help from the play calling. That is completely fair and reasonable.

Or from his offensive line.