Duds and studs, Lions

[milani]

I will still say this team is better this year than we were last year and look what we did. Do I think we win the NFC if we don't tighten up our issues - likely not. But I'd bet more money on this team winning a playoff game than I would have last year's. Of course that's if the playoffs started here in two weeks when we play next...lot can change good or bad.

We still need to defeat one or two winning teams. So far it is only Houston.

 

[tynimiller]

We still need to defeat one or two winning teams. So far it is only Houston.

Incorrect count again.

Not by much though LOL

Cardinals 5-4

Rams are 4-4 so neither winning or losing

 

[milani]

I wouldn’t have agreed with you. I remember you saying that a few weeks ago? Now I believe you. We’re not ready. Just my opinion.

Does that mean we give up? Absolutely not. I always say it’s how you finish that’s really your identity. I’m always going to be a fan of turning it around. However I’ve got to be honest with what I see. A very disorganized team against a Detroit Team in mid/season form stinking us up in our house.

I know we don’t do mid season FA. That said I see us 2-3 players away from turning the tide enough to make a real push. I understand they don’t like to deal draft picks. I get it stick to what’s made us good, I respect that. I’m one if the most impatient of all. I want it and I want it NOW!!

Sorry got a little emotional there. I haven’t been right since Detroit embarrassed us

Understandable. It was embarrassing. Not so much the score but just the ineptitude. Like a preseason performance.

 

[milani]

Incorrect count again.

Not by much though LOL

Cardinals 5-4

Rams are 4-4 so neither winning or losing

Well, at the time we beat AZ they were 2-3. Colts, Jags, Rams, Titans were all below .500 at the time we played them I believe.

 

[OldSchool101]

Well, at the time we beat AZ they were 2-3. Colts, Jags, Rams, Titans were all below .500 at the time we played them I believe.

It is kinda nice to see a team we beat then go on to Win. Although we’ve caught teams at the right time. Missing key Weapons at WR etc. Still, a W is a W.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's actually hard to say with all the mistake made. There were too many drops.

I guess I am looking at it since MLF became coach and play caller. The Lions game just brought it all forward to me when I saw what Ben Johnson was doing. Seemed like he was playing Chess and MLF was playing checkers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well, at the time we beat AZ they were 2-3. Colts, Jags, Rams, Titans were all below .500 at the time we played them I believe.

Yes and the Rams were without a ton of starters when we beat them.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Studs - Jayden Reed
Rasheed Walker & Zach Tom
None that I can think of on defense

Duds - The entire dline...so happy Gute did nothing to improve this wasteland (starting to think Van Ness is bust)
The weather

This entire game was so disappointing I can't stomach rewatching it so that's just what I remember

 

[chemist]

I guess I am looking at it since MLF became coach and play caller. The Lions game just brought it all forward to me when I saw what Ben Johnson was doing. Seemed like he was playing Chess and MLF was playing checkers.

Regarding MLF it seems to me we had this same discussion last year on whether MLF should be calling plays but the joe barry factor took precedence and overwhelmed everything else.
We can talk about drops, false starts holding, off sides etc but to me everything funnels down from the top
What I saw on sunday was a lions team that was solid, disciplined,well coached,
On the other side at times the packers seemed like a bunch of rookies that didnt know what they were doing
A good boss hires good qualified people and lets them do their job while the boss oversees everything and sets the tone for the organization.
Thats where MLF comes in. He needs to be the one setting the standards for how the team will operate. He needs to instill a sense of pride, of doing your job and not worrying about everyone else doing theirs, of being disciplined when your on the field and not be a jerk and costing us stupid penalties , of paying attention and staying focused on what you should be doing on the next play. Etc
MLF should be the one managing the strategy of the game from outside the forest. He cant do that if he needs to focus on play calling every 30 seconds.
Give that job to the OC. Afterall isnt that what you hired him for???.

 

[rmontro]

I guess I am looking at it since MLF became coach and play caller. The Lions game just brought it all forward to me when I saw what Ben Johnson was doing. Seemed like he was playing Chess and MLF was playing checkers.

Or it was like chessboxing. It's like the Lions were boxing and the Packers were playing chess.

 

[OldSchool101]

Studs - Jayden Reed
Rasheed Walker & Zach Tom
None that I can think of on defense

Duds - The entire dline...so happy Gute did nothing to improve this wasteland (starting to think Van Ness is bust)
The weather

This entire game was so disappointing I can't stomach rewatching it so that's just what I remember

I know. I went ahead and rewatched it because I missed much of the first drive. Until the last couple plays.
Imo It wasn’t as much Detroit killed us as it was we really hurt ourselves. Truthfully if you just ground the ball at Jacobs instead of forcing it into a clump of Defenders.. that by itself and it really never gets out of hand. Likely a 1-score game much of the second half. Had any 1 of either
1.Brooks caught it inside the 5
2. Wicks snagged TD pass
3. McNamus makes his FG
Then add + 3-7 points area. I’m not even touching our 10 flags here. It was a slop fest this far in a season and that’s on us. If had to put $1,000 on the game and replay it exactly in those conditions? Detroit would still Win but more a feel of this
27-24
24-20
27-21
20-17
It wasn’t a blowout by any means. The weather kept it lower scoring

 

[OldSchool101]

On Packers Total Access they did the Redzone review of each Snap from last Sunday. They also went back and did it for our Jacksonville game. It was in response to fans questions about why our Redzone play is so sporadic. Against Detroit we were gashing them in the Run game. We did have several poor snaps by Jenkins, but possibly weather affected. LOTS of shotgun, which basically drills Love was not deemed mobile.

The main criticism is we didn’t just run the ball. Matter of fact on 2nd n 1 inside the Detroit 20? we passed 2X incomplete. We needed 1 yard! We also attempted to run an end around to Reed that was fumbled. Wilson recovered and scrambled 9 yards to the original LOS. Why would we be running a fancy dancy play in those terrible weather conditions?? It’s really showing we don’t have a very good grasp on the global aspect of the game or just common sense decisions. It’s like we’re so smart we’re outsmarting ourselves. We tried to get to showy. Taking lower probability plays instead of executing a high probability play and moving the chains. Also Love was off on multiple throws. Some just a foot, but I counted 5 that were thrown too early or too late or on time but too far behind or in front. I still don’t think Love was healthy. This was a forced measure playing an injured Love instead of letting him heal properly and using Malik’s skill set. It didn’t work and it only backed up Loves health by another week.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The main criticism is we didn’t just run the ball. Matter of fact on 2nd n 1 we passed 2X incomplete. We needed 1 yard! We also attempted to run an end around to Reed that was fumbled. Wilson recovered and scrambled 9 yards to the original LOS. Why would we be running a fancy dancy play in those terrible weather conditions?? It’s really showing we don’t have a very good grasp on the global aspect of the game. We tried to get to showy eith lower probability plays instead of executing a high probability play and moving the chains. Also Love was off on multiple throws. Some just a foot, but I counted 5 that were thrown too early or too late or on time but too far behind or in front. I still don’t think Love was healthy. This was a forced measure playing Love instead of letting him heal properly. It didn’t work and it only backed up Loves health by another -1 week.

Well said and paramount to why I think MLF needs to bring in an OC that can calls plays. I'm not much of an Adam Stenavich fan for that. Stenavich did some great things with the OL and I think the Packers wanted to retain him so bad, that they promoted him to OC.

When Rodgers was the QB for MLF, having MLF play calling seemed to work out. A big reason for that was Rodgers was very good at audibling out of the called play. That might have ticked MLF off at times, but it got the job done. I am sure Love will improve with time, but the Packers need an OC that is concentrating strictly on the offense the entire game and when they aren't on the field, he can talk with his other coaches and work on adjustments. As a HC, MLF is much too busy to be doing that.

 

[chemist]

Well said and paramount to why I think MLF needs to bring in an OC that can calls plays. I'm not much of an Adam Stenavich fan for that. Stenavich did some great things with the OL and I think the Packers wanted to retain him so bad, that they promoted him to OC.

When Rodgers was the QB for MLF, having MLF play calling seemed to work out. A big reason for that was Rodgers was very good at audibling out of the called play. That might have ticked MLF off at times, but it got the job done. I am sure Love will improve with time, but the Packers need an OC that is concentrating strictly on the offense the entire game and when they aren't on the field, he can talk with his other coaches and work on adjustments. As a HC, MLF is much too busy to be doing that.

The posts ive read today verify what I firmly believe. Talent wise we are just as good, if not better than the lions. We just need people at the helm who wil make sane decisions.
On defense I feel we are not far from that but offense....well that is a different story.

 

[milani]

On Packers Total Access they did the Redzone review of each Snap from last Sunday. They also went back and did it for our Jacksonville game. It was in response to fans questions about why our Redzone play is so sporadic. Against Detroit we were gashing them in the Run game. We did have several poor snaps by Jenkins, but possibly weather affected. LOTS of shotgun, which basically drills Love was not deemed mobile.

The main criticism is we didn’t just run the ball. Matter of fact on 2nd n 1 inside the Detroit 20? we passed 2X incomplete. We needed 1 yard! We also attempted to run an end around to Reed that was fumbled. Wilson recovered and scrambled 9 yards to the original LOS. Why would we be running a fancy dancy play in those terrible weather conditions?? It’s really showing we don’t have a very good grasp on the global aspect of the game or just common sense decisions. It’s like we’re so smart we’re outsmarting ourselves. We tried to get to showy. Taking lower probability plays instead of executing a high probability play and moving the chains. Also Love was off on multiple throws. Some just a foot, but I counted 5 that were thrown too early or too late or on time but too far behind or in front. I still don’t think Love was healthy. This was a forced measure playing an injured Love instead of letting him heal properly and using Malik’s skill set. It didn’t work and it only backed up Loves health by another week.

Tom Brady was very critical of that 2nd and 1 drive of both MLF and Love. And rightfully so. It was very fundamental understanding of all the elements in the game at that point. Although we may not agree with much of what he says he put himself and his OC in that situation as if he was still a Patriot. And I must say they have the track record to justify it.

 

[Schultz]

I know. I went ahead and rewatched it because I missed much of the first drive. Until the last couple plays.
Imo It wasn’t as much Detroit killed us as it was we really hurt ourselves. Truthfully if you just ground the ball at Jacobs instead of forcing it into a clump of Defenders.. that by itself and it really never gets out of hand. Likely a 1-score game much of the second half. Had any 1 of either
1.Brooks caught it inside the 5
2. Wicks snagged TD pass
3. McNamus makes his FG
Then add + 3-7 points area. I’m not even touching our 10 flags here. It was a slop fest this far in a season and that’s on us. If had to put $1,000 on the game and replay it exactly in those conditions? Detroit would still Win but more a feel of this
27-24
24-20
27-21
20-17
It wasn’t a blowout by any means. The weather kept it lower scoring

As usual I like being the contrarian. I could not find how many drops (if any) the Lions had. GB had 16 more yards in penalties than the Lions. Detroit was not able to recover any of the Packers 3 fumbles. If the game was still close Detroit may have been able to score again on their last possession. At this point last year Detroit was the better team. By the end of the season the teams were pretty much equal. No reason that can't be the case again this year since this game proved the Pack has a lot more room for growth than they do.

 

[Schultz]

On Packers Total Access they did the Redzone review of each Snap from last Sunday. They also went back and did it for our Jacksonville game. It was in response to fans questions about why our Redzone play is so sporadic. Against Detroit we were gashing them in the Run game. We did have several poor snaps by Jenkins, but possibly weather affected. LOTS of shotgun, which basically drills Love was not deemed mobile.

The main criticism is we didn’t just run the ball. Matter of fact on 2nd n 1 inside the Detroit 20? we passed 2X incomplete. We needed 1 yard! We also attempted to run an end around to Reed that was fumbled. Wilson recovered and scrambled 9 yards to the original LOS. Why would we be running a fancy dancy play in those terrible weather conditions?? It’s really showing we don’t have a very good grasp on the global aspect of the game or just common sense decisions. It’s like we’re so smart we’re outsmarting ourselves. We tried to get to showy. Taking lower probability plays instead of executing a high probability play and moving the chains. Also Love was off on multiple throws. Some just a foot, but I counted 5 that were thrown too early or too late or on time but too far behind or in front. I still don’t think Love was healthy. This was a forced measure playing an injured Love instead of letting him heal properly and using Malik’s skill set. It didn’t work and it only backed up Loves health by another week.

Let's hope it is only a week.

 

[OldSchool101]

As usual I like being the contrarian. I could not find how many drops (if any) the Lions had. GB had 16 more yards in penalties than the Lions. Detroit was not able to recover any of the Packers 3 fumbles. If the game was still close Detroit may have been able to score again on their last possession. At this point last year Detroit was the better team. By the end of the season the teams were pretty much equal. No reason that can't be the case again this year since this game proved the Pack has a lot more room for growth than they do.

It’s true if you change one aspect of the game you change another, I 100% agree with that part. The game flow changes by 1 or 2 key plays. Which is relational to the next argument you made. As far as 16 more yards of yellow flags, I never once even mentioned flags in my analysis. Matter of fact I ignored them. Now that you went there though, you mentioned yards, but you omitted 5 additional flags that GB had. Just having a flag alone can be costly even it was only -3.2 yards average across 5 separate flags. 3 of those flags killed 2 drives at the Detroit 33 and Detroit 32 in the first half. Move us up 10 yards and 5 yards. That doesn’t even use the other 2 flags

The plays that directly led to lost points though were most dynamic. They dramatically changed the flow.
1. Love’s INT pick 6 (7pts)
2. The drop by Wicks for TD (7pts)
3. The drop by RB Chris Brooks on 3rd n 5 for what was likely a TD or at minimum 1st n goal inside the 3 yard line on the opening drive (4pts as we kicked a FG).

10 flags, 3 fumbles, a Pick 6, a missed FG, 6 drops including 1 TD drop and 1 drop inside the Detroit 5 for 1st n goal or arguably a TD.
No wonder I was so frustrated watching that game

 

[milani]

It’s true if you change one aspect of the game you change another, I 100% agree with that part. The game flow changes by 1 or 2 key plays. Which is relational to the next argument you made. As far as 16 more yards of yellow flags, I never once even mentioned flags in my analysis. Matter of fact I ignored them. Now that you went there though, you mentioned yards, but you omitted 5 additional flags that GB had. Just having a flag alone can be costly even it was only -3.2 yards average across 5 separate flags. 3 of those flags killed 2 drives at the Detroit 33 and Detroit 32 in the first half. Move us up 10 yards and 5 yards. That doesn’t even use the other 2 flags

The plays that directly led to lost points though were most dynamic. They dramatically changed the flow.
1. Love’s INT pick 6 (7pts)
2. The drop by Wicks for TD (7pts)
3. The drop by RB Chris Brooks on 3rd n 5 for what was likely a TD or at minimum 1st n goal inside the 3 yard line on the opening drive (4pts as we kicked a FG).

10 flags, 3 fumbles, a Pick 6, a missed FG, 6 drops including 1 TD drop and 1 drop inside the Detroit 5 for 1st n goal or arguably a TD.
No wonder I was so frustrated watching that game

Right. Losing the game is one thing. A poor performance is another. We could have played a very good game and Detroit could have played a better one and it would not feel so bad.

 

[milani]

The posts ive read today verify what I firmly believe. Talent wise we are just as good, if not better than the lions. We just need people at the helm who wil make sane decisions.
On defense I feel we are not far from that but offense....well that is a different story.

Lions are a more experienced team as a whole. That can make a difference in pressure games and in crunch time. Last year they were the bridesmaid. This is the season they are supposed to top the NFC. Now if the Eagles, 9ers, Vikings, or someone else slips by them in the postseason it will be a major bummer for them.

 

[chemist]

It’s true if you change one aspect of the game you change another, I 100% agree with that part. The game flow changes by 1 or 2 key plays. Which is relational to the next argument you made. As far as 16 more yards of yellow flags, I never once even mentioned flags in my analysis. Matter of fact I ignored them. Now that you went there though, you mentioned yards, but you omitted 5 additional flags that GB had. Just having a flag alone can be costly even it was only -3.2 yards average across 5 separate flags. 3 of those flags killed 2 drives at the Detroit 33 and Detroit 32 in the first half. Move us up 10 yards and 5 yards. That doesn’t even use the other 2 flags

The plays that directly led to lost points though were most dynamic. They dramatically changed the flow.
1. Love’s INT pick 6 (7pts)
2. The drop by Wicks for TD (7pts)
3. The drop by RB Chris Brooks on 3rd n 5 for what was likely a TD or at minimum 1st n goal inside the 3 yard line on the opening drive (4pts as we kicked a FG).

10 flags, 3 fumbles, a Pick 6, a missed FG, 6 drops including 1 TD drop and 1 drop inside the Detroit 5 for 1st n goal or arguably a TD.
No wonder I was so frustrated watching that game

No doubt the sloppiest game of the year for GB. With all those miscues a game like that usually ends up with a score like 44-10.
But it didnt end up like that even with love's stupid pick 6 at the end of the half (2nd time this year hes done that) but I dont put that all on him . MLF should have gone into the locker room down 10-3. Instead with a small amount of time left and near his own endzone he get overly aggressive ,puts love in a situation where he feels he needs to make a play since MLF seems to want that and we end up with a mess. Terrible play calling that influenced love to make a bad decision.

 

[milani]

No doubt the sloppiest game of the year for GB. With all those miscues a game like that usually ends up with a score like 44-10.
But it didnt end up like that even with love's stupid pick 6 at the end of the half (2nd time this year hes done that) but I dont put that all on him . MLF should have gone into the locker room down 10-3. Instead with a small amount of time left and near his own endzone he get overly aggressive ,puts love in a situation where he feels he needs to make a play since MLF seems to want that and we end up with a mess. Terrible play calling that influenced love to make a bad decision.

Not to exemplify the weather last Sunday but the Packers are team that when it rains on them it really pours on them. They go from bad to worse.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Not to exemplify the weather last Sunday but the Packers are team that when it rains on them it really pours on them. They go from bad to worse.

The Packers are built for domes and not for bad weather. It's been like that for a long time. Perfect example was last season's playoffs. In the dome in Dallas they were electric. On a much sloppier field in SF, they made just enough unforced errors to lose. That's why I think they will be in a better position to make a deep playoff run if they're a 6th or 7th seed. In the playoffs, the Packers have a proven home field disadvantage.

 

[chemist]

Not to exemplify the weather last Sunday but the Packers are team that when it rains on them it really pours on them. They go from bad to worse.

I get what you are saying but I imagine every team feels that way. That somehow we are cursed. The jets when they just got rodgers as QB and he gets hurt early last year and didnt play play another snap the whole year, the 49rs when they were playing the eagles in the nfc championship and lost both QBs, more recently the bears losing to the commanders on that hail mary. My point is probably every team can point to several things that went against them that were moments of unfairness, or ridiculousness , or how could this happen...ness etc.
Putting talent aside for a second, my question would be,in that miserable weather how does a dome team beat an all weather team. It had to be sometimg more than bad weather or a curse.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I get what you are saying but I imagine every team feels that way. That somehow we are cursed. The jets when they just got rodgers as QB and he gets hurt early last year and didnt play play another snap the whole year, the 49rs when they were playing the eagles in the nfc championship and lost both QBs, more recently the bears losing to the commanders on that hail mary. My point is probably every team can point to several things that went against them that were moments of unfairness, or ridiculousness , or how could this happen...ness etc.
Putting talent aside for a second, my question would be,in that miserable weather how does a dome team beat an all weather team. It had to be sometimg more than bad weather or a curse.

What is a bad weather team? Vs a dome team like the Packers. I think bad weather teams have reliable special teams to start. They'll field their kicks, make their snaps and a FG kicker that has experience in poor conditions. Those teams are also built on the O line and D line to give you an advantage in the run game. Finally, bad weather teams have sure-handed receivers and a QB who will take what's available and change his decision making to meet the conditions. When it's 3rd and 4, throwing a 30 yard back shoulder pass in bad weather is just a poor option.