Studs and duds KC

[Dantés]

At what point does Joe Barry get his apologies?

I remember getting roasted just for saying I found him to be interesting as a DC candidate.

 

[PackAttack12]

This is true, and yet their style is uniquely bad for a guy making his first start. Spagnuolo is like a junk ball pitcher. He isn’t good but he will throw basically everything at you. There were clearly times where Love just couldn’t process what he was seeing fast enough.

This is exactly right. It got to the point that when the rush was coming, he wasn't even able to keep his eyes down field.

 

[PFanCan]

The Chiefs defense is a dumpster fire.

And yet Love didn’t run a single running play in the 2nd Q. I cannot think of a single screen pass or redirection to counter the all-out blitz. Love’s strength in college was play action, but he didn’t do any of that all game.

MLF should get on Love’s case immediately for such poor play calling and Love’s poor ability to get the O line to block the rush.

oh, wait…

Look, I am not a huge fan of Love. But, this game doesn’t show anything except that we lost by six points to KC in their house with a first time QB.

And I don’t put this loss on Love.

 

[PackAttack12]

At what point does Joe Barry get his apologies?

I remember getting roasted just for saying I found him to be interesting as a DC candidate.

I was very vocal about how bad I hated the hire. He's come a very long way with me.

 

[PackAttack12]

And yet Love didn’t run a single running play in the 2nd Q. I cannot think of a single screen pass or redirection to counter the all-out blitz. Love’s strength in college was play action, but he didn’t do any of that all game.

MLF should get on Love’s case immediately for such poor play calling and Love’s poor ability to get the O line to block the rush.

oh, wait…

Look, I am not a huge fan of Love. But, this game doesn’t show anything except that we lost by six points to KC in their house with a first time QB.

And I don’t put this loss on Love.

Love didn't get a lot of help from the play calling. That is completely fair and reasonable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm sure with this being his contract year, Adams will be dropping to his knees tonight and praying for Rodgers return.

 

[OldSchool101]

We didn't give Love a good debut. If ST was doing well, we might have come up with a win.

He was mostly as good (or bad) as Mahomes was!

Love did had several throws that were off target. but parting that was unfamiliarity with the routes. Oddly his INT was just off a smidge…as in 1 foot - 1yard less zip and Adams catches what should have been another TD drive

Studs. Cobb, Dillon, Jones and Lazard.

Campbell, Gary, Barnes heck much of the D played really good. Hope Kenny is ok.

 

[PikeBadger]

Love was bad.

But it’s also hard to get a great feel for him when the protection was so poor.

That’s not an excuse. He was independently bad. But I would have liked to get a better feel of what he can do with at least an average amount of time.

His coach's play calling didn't help him out. Spagnuola chumped LaFleur today. Can't believe he didn't run the ball 35 times today. Dillon must have been hurt? Had 8 carries and was bludgeoning KC's interior defenders.

 

[jhawk008]

Love did had several throws that were off target. but parting that was unfamiliarity with the routes. Oddly his INT was just off a smidge…as in 1 foot - 1yard less zip and Adams catches what should have been another TD drive

I mean that was the knock on him even in training camp the past 2 years. His ball placement and accuracy have ALWAYS been under question

 

[PackAttack12]

In all seriousness, this is a game that truly demonstrates how lucky the Packers are to have a quarterback like Rodgers, and how lucky they were to have Favre.

More so than ever, you have to have great quarterback play.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don’t know why people are raging on Crosby.

The first miss, I could see the laces where they were at the placement. I dropped a f-bomb ( thankfully kiddo was out of ear shot ) and I knew it was going to be a miss before his foot hit the ball.

Agreed. Also, the last thing you want in regards to a kicker, is for doubt to creep into their minds. A FG and XP should be automatic for the 3 involved and the other 8, just need to do their damn job blocking.

They already replaced LS Bradley, you don't cut Bozo or Crosby, I elect Drayton as odd man out.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

In all seriousness, this is a game that truly demonstrates how lucky the Packers are to have a quarterback like Rodgers, and how lucky they were to have Favre.

More so than ever, you have to have great quarterback play.

I think most of us knew that when we saw Hundley and Kizer play.

 

[tynimiller]

Since all we care about is eye tests, my two eyes saw a QB and an entire offensive and special teams insanely pressing knowing Rodgers was out. Our OL when it came to pass protection almost seemed like they wanted Love to fail and our STs units were worse.

I didn’t expect Love to be allowed a ton of freedom and sense he wasn’t, he showed he has chops he showed he has a long way to go. Did anyone truly expect anything different? Especially when your OL is playing matador to their defensive fronts all night.

My eyes saw an inexperienced QB with a terrible OL nearly do enough on a night where the defense showed us this team with an offense can win the SB. Yes, this defense is good enough IMO.

Barnes played like an All Pro. Rest of defense gets studs, even King who yes dropped an INT but was more willing tackler tonight than I’ve ever seen from him.

Cobb and Dillon highlight the offense.

Duds playcalling and the autrocious STs.

 

[tynimiller]

At what point does Joe Barry get his apologies?

I remember getting roasted just for saying I found him to be interesting as a DC candidate.

There are very few here that ever willingly admit their wrong. They’ll be crazy patient when appear wrong claiming too soon to know but declare the end if they said someone would be terrible at first loss

 

[jhawk008]

Since all we care about is eye tests, my two eyes saw a QB and an entire offensive and special teams insanely pressing knowing Rodgers was out. Our OL when it came to pass protection almost seemed like they wanted Love to fail and our STs units were worse.

I didn’t expect Love to be allowed a ton of freedom and sense he wasn’t, he showed he has chops he showed he has a long way to go. Did anyone truly expect anything different? Especially when your OL is playing matador to their defensive fronts all night.

My eyes saw an inexperienced QB with a terrible OL nearly do enough on a night where the defense showed us this team with an offense can win the SB. Yes, this defense is good enough IMO.

Barnes played like an All Pro. Rest of defense gets studs, even King who yes dropped an INT but was more willing tackler tonight than I’ve ever seen from him.

Cobb and Dillon highlight the offense.

Duds playcalling and the autrocious STs.

I expected a guy to look like a 1st round talent... And he didn't. He looked like a mid round rookie prospect who won't ever get meaningful snaps again on even a bad team

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Our OL when it came to pass protection almost seemed like they wanted Love to fail and our STs units were worse.

That was my first reaction too, but then I started to think, "is it not just our receivers that Rodgers is able to make look better than they actually are? Rodgers is really good at feeling pressure and knowing where people are on the field. Plus, he has for the most part learned how to stay calm and what to do when his pocket collapses. So yes, the OL today wasn't great, but they have played worse and Rodgers found ways to deal with it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I expected a guy to look like a 1st round talent... And he didn't. He looked like a mid round rookie prospect who won't ever get meaningful snaps again on even a bad team

Glad you aren't the guy making the Packers decisions. I predicted knee jerk reactions after Loves first outing, thanks for helping me not to be a liar.

 

[jhawk008]

Glad you aren't the guy making the Packers decisions. I predicted knee jerk reactions to one outing by Live, thanks for proving me right.

I hated the pick when it first came up, and today's game did nothing to sway my opinions on him.. and I'm sure the front office would like to do over that pick as well right about now

He really did nothing that was noteworthy that game. He played reckless and was lucky to not have had 3 INTs

First games are tough, playing behind legends are tough.. but that's the hand he's dealt and he's gotta deliver when given opportunities

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I hated the pick when it first came up, and today's game did nothing to sway my opinions on him.

He really did nothing that was noteworthy that game. He played reckless and was lucky to not have had 3 INTs

First games are tough, playing behind legends are tough.. but that's the hand he's dealt and he's gotta deliver when given opportunities

Can I ask what you expected, you said you expected him to look like 1st round talent, yet you hated the pick from day 1. Those 2 things seem contradictory to me.

 

[OldSchool101]

I was very vocal about how bad I hated the hire. He's come a very long way with me.

I agree with you.
Under Barry. We’re now down to 20.0 points allowed per game (likely now a top #10-12 overall scoring D). Excluding a week 1 Malay, we have allowed just 17.75 points per game over the last 8 weeks.

 

[OldSchool101]

Glad you aren't the guy making the Packers decisions. I predicted knee jerk reactions after Loves first outing, thanks for helping me not to be a liar.

Just say “yeah” and “those guys” and I’ll smooth call you a liar to your phone.

 

[tynimiller]

I expected a guy to look like a 1st round talent... And he didn't. He looked like a mid round rookie prospect who won't ever get meaningful snaps again on even a bad team

Stop. Peyton Manning look like a guy that was gonna break every interception record in history as well. Dear Lord you folks think one game on the road in KC locks him as never even playing for a bad team in the future is the definition of being an ignant

 

[sschind]

If ever there was a game to run the ball more this was it.

This was pretty much the game I expected out of Love, nervous, a bit indecisive and a big drop off from what Packers are used to. I also think that KC's DC Spagnuolo had a great gameplan for Love. I do think Love showed some good things and if special teams had just played "average", we could have won that game.

I think most of us questioned the hiring/promoting of Drayton to be the special teams coach. For once, I think the majority of the Packer forum was much smarter than whomever (MLF I assume) made that decision. I wouldn't wait til tomorrow, he's fired as soon as they land in GB.

Land in Green Bay? I'd hand him a bus ticket along with his pink slip as they left aAarowhead.

 

[tynimiller]

That was my first reaction too, but then I started to think, "is it not just our receivers that Rodgers is able to make look better than they actually are? Rodgers is really good at feeling pressure and knowing where people are on the field. Plus, he has for the most part learned how to stay calm and what to do when his pocket collapses. So yes, the OL today wasn't great, but they have played worse and Rodgers found ways to deal with it.

Oh for sure I’m not saying Rodgers wouldn’t have done any better - he would have. Tons of experience and has a feel for things Love won’t have for years if ever.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree with you.
Under Barry. We’re now down to 20.0 points allowed per game (likely top 10-12 overall). Excluding a week 1 Malay, we have allowed just 17.75 points per game over the last 8 weeks.

I think it just took time for Berry' system to set in. I mean didn't most of us say that about MLF's offense? I also think we have seen improved play from a lot of players. That could be a product of the system and/or player development, I'd like to think both.