Number one seed stud n dud

[longtimefan]

Have any info about this?

It was a sarcastic post I believe

 

[tynimiller]

Have any info about this?

I was being facetious not serious.

 

[Dantés]

Trubisky is SO limited. It's amazing to me all the plaudits he was receiving coming into this game. Basically the entire game plan for him was roll outs and passes to TE's/RB's in the flat. Anything downfield was off-target, aside from that one Mooney completion.

If the Bears decide to roll with him, they deserve everything they get. Lol.

 

[easyk83]

Trubisky is SO limited. It's amazing to me all the plaudits he was receiving coming into this game. Basically the entire game plan for him was roll outs and passes to TE's/RB's in the flat. Anything downfield was off-target, aside from that one Mooney completion.

If the Bears decide to roll with him, they deserve everything they get. Lol.

Yeah but are you comparing him to the league average or Bears average?

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[Pugger]

Don't think King deserves the negatives as he got. He is playing with a lot of intensity which (the intensity of everyone) is what is driving this new D. I don't think him playing way off receivers is his idea.
Nobody singled out Aaron Jones who played an excellent game.

I have no issue with his intensity but his tackling form is lacking at times.

 

[Pugger]

Dafney has been with the team for a little while now. His blocking isn't as sharp but Lordy he is as they say "willing" to engage type blocker which can make up for technique sometimes.

Was he on the PS or did we sign him off the street?

 

[Pugger]

My thoughts:

Aaron Jones - turning 2 yard gains into 8 by breaking leg tackles. Incredible game in both the running and passing game. He won’t be easy to replace. Let's hope we can keep him. He is an elite back IMO.

O-line - Patrick and Turner were terrific IMO. This unit no matter the configuration has really been the foundational block upon which our offensive success is predicated. Patrick is so much better at RG than left.

Krys Barnes - love watching the aggressiveness he brings. We need one more hungry animal like that in the middle of the defense.

Bears defense - Very good unit. Aggressive and hard tackling. I thought they did a very good job covering our short and intermediate routes. Rodgers had to look off his first option more often than I’m used to seeing. They didn’t have the answer for covering Scantling on deep routes. We need to continue to throw that bomb at least once per half.

David Montgomery- very tough runner. Plays much, much bigger than his size. He reminds me of Aaron Jones at times. He is hard to bring down.

Scantling - Made three good plays with the ball, one bad one. He’s the Brad Jones/Jarrett Bush/John Kuhn of 2020 especially now that Shepherd is gone and the defense is playing better.

Pretty good game plan by LaFleur and Rodgers executed it very well I thought. Special teams is still very bad. Blocking on returns is horrible.

A 19 point win on the road against a playoff bound arch rival is plenty of reason to be satisfied. Agreed.

We are a very tough team to beat right now.

 

[tynimiller]

Was he on the PS or did we sign him off the street?

We signed him to practice squad in October and then elevated around Dec-12th it seems by reports.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Don't think King deserves the negatives as he got. He is playing with a lot of intensity which (the intensity of everyone) is what is driving this new D. I don't think him playing way off receivers is his idea.
Nobody singled out Aaron Jones who played an excellent game.

He dropped an easy interception in the EZ. His tackling technique leaves something to be desired IMO. Reminds me of Randall and Dix at times. Just throws his body, shoulder first at a players legs, expecting to take him down.

He needs to study some Jaire Alexander tape. His wrap up tackle and take down of Jimmy Graham to keep him out of the EZ on the final play of the game was textbook. Jaire is playing at a Pro Bowl level.

King is serviceable, when healthy, but overall I won't be sad to see him not resigned, unless it comes at a pretty low price.

 

[Snoops]

Snoops I'm sad you feel that way. But how does him catching a 72 yard TD make someone a dud? Because he dropped an easy TD pass? Hasn't Adams and Lazard done that this season, and we forgave them? Give me a legitimate reason why we are dismissing his 72 yard TD? A Dud to me is like an F or D- at worse.

MVS at worse yesterday got a C and at best a B. If we're grading yesterday like it was a test he would've passed.

I know I know but hear me out. People can take what I say with a grain of salt. Mvs is fast I get it speed can’t be taught. But to me he is just a guy. This is his 3rd year he hasn’t gotten better and hasn’t gotten worse will he will drop easy passes but then make a ridiculous catch to make up for it. Green Bay holds onto players way to long He is the most inconsistent player on this team imo if they had a true number 2 receiver they would be absolutely dominant. Anyone in this past draft has contributed to there teams big time! Lazard is a solid 3 receiver but they don’t have a 2 if they cut Mvs tmrw I could care less mvs will never turn out to be a STUD receiver what you see is what you get that’s not gonna change. They effed up the draft big time in the top 3 picks Dillon prob will be justified when they let jones walk but gosh just think of Patrick queen or claypool aiyuk would have done for Green Bay.. Rodgers wanted Jefferson they could have traded up for him. But they disrespect Rodgers and took a BUM. Then a bum te.. like they have 14 te s on there team and the ones they drafted do nothing! Lol Dafney useful. But let’s not forget this team is all Aaron Rodgers he is that effing good they 6-10 at BEST without Rodgers. They wasted himmm. Hopefully he can get it done in the playoffs! GPG

 

[Snoops]

He dropped an easy interception in the EZ. His tackling technique leaves something to be desired IMO. Reminds me of Randall and Dix at times. Just throws his body, shoulder first at a players legs, expecting to take him down.

He needs to study some Jaire Alexander tape. His wrap up tackle and take down of Jimmy Graham to keep him out of the EZ on the final play of the game was textbook. Jaire is playing at a Pro Bowl level.

King is serviceable, when healthy, but overall I won't be sad to see him not resigned, unless it comes at a pretty low price.

King can go he sucks

 

[easyk83]

He dropped an easy interception in the EZ. His tackling technique leaves something to be desired IMO. Reminds me of Randall and Dix at times. Just throws his body, shoulder first at a players legs, expecting to take him down.

He needs to study some Jaire Alexander tape. His wrap up tackle and take down of Jimmy Graham to keep him out of the EZ on the final play of the game was textbook. Jaire is playing at a Pro Bowl level.

King is serviceable, when healthy, but overall I won't be sad to see him not resigned, unless it comes at a pretty low price.

Yeah Id feel better about him if his tackling consisted of wrapping up, holding on, and waiting for someone to help him.

 

[tynimiller]

King most definitely does not suck. It is illogical to deem him a CB that sucks.

I'd argue that is even more illogical than saying MVS sucks (which a lot of statistical analysis some may find useful has been shared at this thread HERE).

Aspects of King suck; ala lack of tackling and injury issues. Outside of those two things King is easily an above average CB

 

[longtimefan]

He dropped an easy interception in the EZ. His tackling technique leaves something to be desired IMO. Reminds me of Randall and Dix at times. Just throws his body, shoulder first at a players legs, expecting to take him down.

He needs to study some Jaire Alexander tape. His wrap up tackle and take down of Jimmy Graham to keep him out of the EZ on the final play of the game was textbook. Jaire is playing at a Pro Bowl level.

King is serviceable, when healthy, but overall I won't be sad to see him not resigned, unless it comes at a pretty low price.

The end zone drop
Even announcers said he was shielded from
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[Pokerbrat2000]

King most definitely does not suck. It is illogical to deem him a CB that sucks.

I'd argue that is even more illogical than saying MVS sucks (which a lot of statistical analysis some may find useful has been shared at this thread HERE).

Aspects of King suck; ala lack of tackling and injury issues. Outside of those two things King is easily an above average CB

I know you are responding to more than just me here. I agree that neither King or MVS suck, but both have aspects of their game that I would call liabilities and need to be addressed. King simply needs to learn how to tackle. With the amount of space he plays off receivers, by design or not, he can't afford to be missing tackles as frequently as he does.

MVS, as many have said, at best is your 3rd or 4th WR. Hopefully next year they have better options and if he makes the team, without improving his game much, he will be viewed more of a guy you bring in on 4 WR sets. His speed is great, but both deep passes were perfectly placed by #12, no excuse to drop that second one or any of the other previously uncontested drops. On another team/different QB, he won't get as many perfectly thrown balls. I get it, Adams dropped quiet a few his first few years and look at him now. I just don't think you plan your depth chart around a guy like MVS to get a ton of snaps until/unless he cleans that up.

Call it no respect on the Bears part or just reality, but they put a LB on MVS on several plays yesterday.

 

[longtimefan]

We will differ on it

I say it was a tough catch others say was easy


I’ll drop it now

 

[PackAttack12]

King most definitely does not suck. It is illogical to deem him a CB that sucks.

Consider the source....

 

[Mondio]

They put a LB'er on D. Adams too. it's their defense and we exploited mismatches.

as for the dropped INT, it looked bad because it was right in his lap, but I think that ball was gone and then all of a sudden it was there at his knees from his vantage point.

maybe he should have seen it or guessed better, but from the way it went down i'm pretty sure he didn't see it watching his reaction.

 

[longtimefan]

They put a LB'er on D. Adams too. it's their defense and we exploited mismatches.

as for the dropped INT, it looked bad because it was right in his lap, but I think that ball was gone and then all of a sudden it was there at his knees from his vantage point.

maybe he should have seen it or guessed better, but from the way it went down i'm pretty sure he didn't see it watching his reaction.

I posted ss from replay Video

 

[swhitset]

King most definitely does not suck. It is illogical to deem him a CB that sucks.

I'd argue that is even more illogical than saying MVS sucks (which a lot of statistical analysis some may find useful has been shared at this thread HERE).

Aspects of King suck; ala lack of tackling and injury issues. Outside of those two things King is easily an above average CB

I agree .... that being said those 2 things (especially the injury prone part) are enough to make me not want the Packers to sign him to a second contract.

 

[Dantés]

I posted ss from replay Video

Tell your crazy, happy, loud family I said hi.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree .... that being said those 2 things (especially the injury prone part) are enough to make me not want the Packers to sign him to a second contract.

I gave you an agree, but I would be fine with King being brought back on a lower end contract because of what has been discussed. However, I think because at times he does play at a decent level, teams will tend to overlook his injuries, as well as some of his deficient tackling and pay him more than the Packers...should.

I see the Packers not resigning him, he walks and only comes back if the market is suppressed and he realizes that a one year "prove myself deal" with one of the best teams in the NFL, is better than a multiple year lower end deal with a completely new team.

 

[tynimiller]

I know you are responding to more than just me here. I agree that neither King or MVS suck, but both have aspects of their game that I would call liabilities and need to be addressed. King simply needs to learn how to tackle. With the amount of space he plays off receivers, by design or not, he can't afford to be missing tackles as frequently as he does.

MVS, as many have said, at best is your 3rd or 4th WR. Hopefully next year they have better options and if he makes the team, without improving his game much, he will be viewed more of a guy you bring in on 4 WR sets. His speed is great, but both deep passes were perfectly placed by #12, no excuse to drop that second one or any of the other previously uncontested drops. On another team/different QB, he won't get as many perfectly thrown balls. I get it, Adams dropped quiet a few his first few years and look at him now. I just don't think you plan your depth chart around a guy like MVS to get a ton of snaps until/unless he cleans that up.

Call it no respect on the Bears part or just reality, but they put a LB on MVS on several plays yesterday.

I don't disagree, as you know, with nearly anything you stated. I just grade or try to approach an opinion of a player vs what they're role is. King is very much so an above average #2 CB on almost any roster...not all but most.

MVS...I also think compared to what he is or what type of WR he is for a team he is exactly what we should expect and when compared to others like him he is about exactly what one expects. That doesn't mean it isn't frustrating as **** to watch him drop a cookie like the one last night...but it comes with the territory of a deep ball WR.

Take Jerry Jeudy for example - burner type deep threat.

He presently has a worse catch percentage than MVS at only 46% and has a 16.5 Yards/Reception and a 7.6 yards per target. MVS on average has targets more than 4 yards farther and his receptions are on average 4 yards deeper.

That is not to say I think MVS is the same threat Jeudy is, JJ has a MUCH better route tree and can do more than blow top off the Defense - but just perhaps a name most can relate and recognize with.

Another good comp folks will recognize as many of us liked him in the 2020 draft, but us having MVS didn't need another deep threat type guy is 4th in yards per reception and is catching 4% more of his targets than MVS.

This all is another reason I was all for a Will Fuller signing/trade if we could have done it. The cat is 6th in the league with Yards Per Reception...yet boasts a stinking 70.7% catch percentage. YIKES!!!

 

[tynimiller]

I agree .... that being said those 2 things (especially the injury prone part) are enough to make me not want the Packers to sign him to a second contract.

I let him walk as well.