Number one seed stud n dud

[Jerellh528]

Studs:
Gary..I didn't like the pick..glad I was wrong on him..always seems to be in on every game changing play.
Smiths
Kirksey
Barnes
Alexander
Kenny
Amos
Savage
Rodgers
Adams
Oline
Jones
Tonyan
Big Dog
Lazard..man that guy can block!
Valdes-Scantling..I know the drop. But, td was awesome! He has had a pretty decent season as well.

And..a big FU to Jimmy Graham. Went to bares cuz all they care about is Superbowls? So glad he was stopped short of goal line as time expired!!

dang haha that’s a lot of studs, where’s the line between stud and just doing their job?

 

[GleefulGary]

If you read that stat on his 20.9 deep average you saw Nelson agholor right below him too. Agholor is a bum also. In fact they are basically the same player both drop a **** ton of balls Mvs is a little better but not by much.. He is better than the other receivers on our team besides Lazard and Adams obviously. But below him they have nothing. Not saying much. I wouldn’t lose sleep if he wasn’t on the team. He is “bonafide deep threat” by default on this team Aaron jones has far better hands then he does. I’m not a ignorant fan so I will criticize players as I see it. That’s fine if ur opinion is different than mine that’s what opinions are for. And Mvs sucks I don’t care what his stats say. They could have had AB on the field instead. If you ask me there hasn’t been any issues with “drama” in Tampa they wanna win and get actual talent.

There’s so much wrong here that it’s hard to know where to start.

 

[gopkrs]

He dropped an easy interception in the EZ. His tackling technique leaves something to be desired IMO. Reminds me of Randall and Dix at times. Just throws his body, shoulder first at a players legs, expecting to take him down.

He needs to study some Jaire Alexander tape. His wrap up tackle and take down of Jimmy Graham to keep him out of the EZ on the final play of the game was textbook. Jaire is playing at a Pro Bowl level.

King is serviceable, when healthy, but overall I won't be sad to see him not resigned, unless it comes at a pretty low price.

Or unless we don't replace him adequately. Then you will wish we had him. First off, that pass was not catcheable for him imo. He was concentrating on the intended receiver and the ball weirdly turned a corner and was in his lap b4 he knew it. And he actually has decent hands. Yes he misses some tackles, I agree. He also breaks up some pretty nice passes and makes tackles. He is running around and helping out other tacklers all the time. He really wants to be in on the gang tackling and I see that as a real plus. And he does it with enthusiasm. Jaire is Jaire and King is King and I see no reason to compare them, especially at this point in the season. There are very very few perfect corners. They tend to get beat at times. The way King is playing; I am more than willing to live with. I do wish he would play either on the receiver or 4 or 5 yards back. But that has got to be a Pettine thing. When the other team needs two or three yards for a first down (and it is 3rd down), playing 10 yards off is just a gimme. For anyone. I do think he has a tough time against Shepherd type receivers and should be schemed away from them. So basically, I do not believe he deserved all the negative comments. I think he is a plus for the team and was a plus against the bears. And so I said that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Or unless we don't replace him adequately. Then you will wish we had him. First off, that pass was not catcheable for him imo. He was concentrating on the intended receiver and the ball weirdly turned a corner and was in his lap b4 he knew it. And he actually has decent hands. Yes he misses some tackles, I agree. He also breaks up some pretty nice passes and makes tackles. He is running around and helping out other tacklers all the time. He really wants to be in on the gang tackling and I see that as a real plus. And he does it with enthusiasm. Jaire is Jaire and King is King and I see no reason to compare them, especially at this point in the season. There are very very few perfect corners. They tend to get beat at times. The way King is playing; I am more than willing to live with. I do wish he would play either on the receiver or 4 or 5 yards back. But that has got to be a Pettine thing. When the other team needs two or three yards for a first down (and it is 3rd down), playing 10 yards off is just a gimme. For anyone. I do think he has a tough time against Shepherd type receivers and should be schemed away from them. So basically, I do not believe he deserved all the negative comments. I think he is a plus for the team and was a plus against the bears. And so I said that.

A bit like the MVS discussion, I for one didn't say King completely sucked. The conversation, at least for me, has centered around next year and if the Packers should resign him. Review my posts and you will see my opinion. Pointing out flaws like his injury history and poor tackling technique isn't saying he completely sucks, it's saying think twice about paying him too much on a new contract.


The playoffs are beginning for the Packers in 2 weeks, both King and MVS will be a part of them and needed. I hope they both play like Pro Bowlers, but as far as where they both fit into the Packers plans for next year, that's up for debate IMO.

 

[gopkrs]

A bit like the MVS discussion, I for one didn't say King completely sucked. The conversation, at least for me, has centered around next year and if the Packers should resign him. Review my posts and you will see my opinion. Pointing out flaws like his injury history and poor tackling technique isn't saying he completely sucks, it's saying think twice about paying him too much on a new contract.


The playoffs are beginning for the Packers in 2 weeks, both King and MVS will be a part of them and needed. I hope they both play like Pro Bowlers, but as far as where they both fit into the Packers plans for next year, that's up for debate IMO.

Don't know why you thought my original take had something to do with you for more than if maybe you joined the bandwagon to diss King. Because I (if you read my first post on it) only said that King did not deserve all the bad comments about him. This is the studs and duds section. Not next years' draft. And I stick with it. I am glad he is playing for us right now. And I thought he played well in Chicago.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Don't know why you thought my original take had something to do with you for more than if maybe you joined the bandwagon to diss King. Because I (if you read my first post on it) only said that King did not deserve all the bad comments about him. This is the studs and duds section. Not next years' draft. And I stick with it. I am glad he is playing for us right now. And I thought he played well in Chicago.

I commented back to you, because if you look at your last post, you tagged me on it.

Don't worry, I do the same thing. There can be a large range of opinions on certain things and King doesn't seem to be an exception to that. If you try to lump all of the people that don't fully agree with your opinion into one group, chances are you are probably making some feel like you don't fully understand their position. Trust me, I don't think King sucks, but I don't think he is as good as you seem to think he is.

 

[gopkrs]

You need to look at the post before where you replied to my original post to understand what happened. Maybe you thought I said more than I did. Or probably just wanted more thoughts on the subject.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You need to look at the post before where you replied to my original post to understand what happened. Maybe you thought I said more than I did. Or probably just wanted more thoughts on the subject.

Right, you posted the following and I responded to it:

Don't think King deserves the negatives as he got. He is playing with a lot of intensity which (the intensity of everyone) is what is driving this new D. I don't think him playing way off receivers is his idea.
Nobody singled out Aaron Jones who played an excellent game.

Like I said, there seems to be a wide range of opinions on King, expressed throughout the forum, not just this single thread. I was expressing how I felt about his performance in the Bear game, overall and what I thought his future in Green Bay might hold. You think he played better against the Bears and I think in General, than I do. Me not fully agreeing with your assessment isn't saying he sucks, its just me not being as enthusiastic about him as you.

If you read some of he scouting critiques on King, his injury history, not being able to jam receivers and problems with tackling have been an issue since college, nothing new and he hasn't improved that much. Slightly above ave. CB when healthy, but I wouldn't want to see the Packers overpay for him just because they are afraid they don't have a current replacement for him on the team.

 

[Jerellh528]

I actually like king. I believe we should draft a cb top 3 rounds in the draft, probably 2 cbs, but king has his strengths and can match up with bigger guys and is historically pretty good in press. You can’t have pro bowlers at every position and I think he’s above replacement level. I think he’s a starter on a lot of nfl teams. His price tAg will be the deciding factor

 

[rodell330]

Not really. The Packers will in all likelihood play the bucs first after the bye.

Yes really, because I think the Rams pull off the upset and I think the Buccs beat the Saints. So like I said...NFCCG

 

[rodell330]

Either the Bears or the Rams will have to win for that to happen. I think we see the Bucs in our next game.

If Goff plays I think the Rams pull the “upset”.

 

[longtimefan]

Yes really, because I think the Rams pull off the upset and I think the Buccs beat the Saints. So like I said...NFCCG

So

Rams beat seattle
Bucs beat Washington
Saints beat bears

Then packers beat rams
Bucs beat No

Rams can do it with out Goeff.?

 

[tynimiller]

So

Rams beat seattle
Bucs beat Washington
Saints beat bears

Then packers beat rams
Bucs beat No

Rams can do it with out Go

I don't want to see that Rams defense. It truly is the main defense in the NFC I fear....and I don't think the cold will impact their abilities at all. Their offense doesn't scare me, but that defense is no joke.

 

[rodell330]

So

Rams beat seattle
Bucs beat Washington
Saints beat bears

Then packers beat rams
Bucs beat No

Rams can do it with out Goeff.?

I think so. I watched them struggle in an important game against The Niners who are playing backups at multiple positions in a very important game. It took Wilson running around buying time TWICE to hit Lockett on touchdowns. Rams have a formidable front and secondary. If they can run the ball and make Russ uncomfortable I can easily see the Rams winning. With it without Goff

 

[easyk83]

Not just the way contracts wash out, but I think you need 2 higher round picked CB's in the draft just the way prospects wash out. Not to beat a dead horse, but how many 1st and 2nd round picks have the Packers used to land a guy like Alexander and a semi good but oft injured King?

Chances are we will be picking at 26-32 or somewhere close to that, short of a trade up, our draft prospects aren't going to be screaming "starting CB" even with the first pick.

At 26-32 you're looking at a project or a projected average starter who will never be better than that but might also fail as a player too.

I think you have to take our history at the position with a grain of salt. During TTs building of the team he found a very good corner off the scrap heap in Tramon Williams and picked up another good one as a UDFA in Sam Shields. Then for the next how many years the defense turned into a black hole of draft capital. Capers installed more and more of his defense until it turned into an awful mess with too many checks, too many calls and way too many responsibilities.

As opposed to a settled Dom Capers, and his overly wrought defensive schemes, Pettine seems to be doing a better job developing talent. I suspect we'll have more success in drafting acquiring and developing corners than we had.

As for Pettine, I dont think he's a great or maybe even a good DC in terms of play calling either in game plan or situationally speaking. However, he and his staff has done a good job with developing talent. Part of our improving defense has been the result of young guys playing better, guys like Savage Gary Keke and Barnes. Heck Chandon Sullivan has gone from the Eagles scrap heap to become a solid nickel corner.

If we do let King walk we're looking for a number 2 corner, having a true lockdown corner in Jaire makes this task markedly easier.

 

[Do7]

I know I know but hear me out. People can take what I say with a grain of salt. Mvs is fast I get it speed can’t be taught. But to me he is just a guy. This is his 3rd year he hasn’t gotten better and hasn’t gotten worse will he will drop easy passes but then make a ridiculous catch to make up for it. Green Bay holds onto players way to long He is the most inconsistent player on this team imo if they had a true number 2 receiver they would be absolutely dominant. Anyone in this past draft has contributed to there teams big time! Lazard is a solid 3 receiver but they don’t have a 2 if they cut Mvs tmrw I could care less mvs will never turn out to be a STUD receiver what you see is what you get that’s not gonna change. They effed up the draft big time in the top 3 picks Dillon prob will be justified when they let jones walk but gosh just think of Patrick queen or claypool aiyuk would have done for Green Bay.. Rodgers wanted Jefferson they could have traded up for him. But they disrespect Rodgers and took a BUM. Then a bum te.. like they have 14 te s on there team and the ones they drafted do nothing! Lol Dafney useful. But let’s not forget this team is all Aaron Rodgers he is that effing good they 6-10 at BEST without Rodgers. They wasted himmm. Hopefully he can get it done in the playoffs! GPG

But what does that have to do with his performance Sunday though? It sounds like you would've given him a failing grade when imo, he did decent to at least have a passing grade. This sounds like an overall assessment rather than how he performed Sunday. On top of that, say what you will, but he has contributed to this team's victories as well.

 

[PikeBadger]

I still think some other teams are going to be willing to pay King more than we can afford to. I’m not expecting him back in Green Bay next year.

 

[JK64]

Yes really, because I think the Rams pull off the upset and I think the Buccs beat the Saints. So like I said...NFCCG

The Rams don’t have a qb that’s any good. Sure, the defense is good but I don’t see that bum beating R Wilson. I do hope the rams win. The bucs scare me the most in the NFC.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I still think some other teams are going to be willing to pay King more than we can afford to. I’m not expecting him back in Green Bay next year.

Agree. Although, I would term it "should spend" or "justify spending". Semantics I know, but creative contracts and restructuring of existing contracts can open a lot of possibilities to allow teams to "afford" a player.

All that said, I think we are on the same page in the thinking that a cap fat team might decide to throw more money at King than the Packers should. The Packers could also get lucky and King comes back for a one year low end prove it deal, after he finds out that the 2021 FA market isn't that great.

Another important factor when discussing some of our free agents is to look at what the potential FA market for each position might look like. King is going to have some competition out there.

2021 NFL Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

100% - literally cut him, not just from the roster, make him bleed for his transgressions and failings for Green Bay.

Just trying to fit in better on the forums with this comment.

I wish you`d stop......that`s twice I nearly believed you.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

My wife is mad I left that in lmao

Can`t hear you over the noise

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I’ll charge you next time

 

[Poppa San]

Another important factor when discussing some of our free agents is to look at what the potential FA market for each position might look like. King is going to have some competition out there.

2021 NFL Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac

I was thinking of asking about this. The list is before cap cuts also.

 

[Mondio]

I wish you`d stop......that`s twice I nearly believed you.

you should change your name to "gullybill2003"

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was thinking of asking about this. The list is before cap cuts also.

Yup and depending on where that final cap is, the "normal" number of free agents that we see could grow significantly. Of all the years to be "Cap fat" this is the one. No wonder Urban Meyer is considering coaching for Jacksonville. They not only have the #1 pick in each round, they have a ton of cap space, which if my numbers are correct is also #1 and ~$13M more than any other team at $81.388M.