2024 Roster Status/Tracker

[tynimiller]

Yeah, Elam has ZERO sacks for his career, he sucks!

I like the idea in the sense that both get a fresh start, with a new team, new city, new coaches, teammates, etc.

I still think there is something there with Stokes, but he is about out of time.

Maybe we can sweeten the deal and give them a 7th rounder for Rasul Douglas back too.

Jadeveon Clowney is a guy I really would embrace Gute signing. His hit is not bad, even next year if we'd decide to finish out his two year isn't terrible - but I could see him sniffing a potential SB and really play some inspired football. Carolina has to be selling and he has to want out of that place you'd think.

 

[Magooch]

Looking where a guy gets drafted is important. Where else are you getting first rounders? If a team habitually has players underperforming their investment, it's doubtful the GM can continue to pull rabbits out of his hat in the 4th and 5th round to make up for the lack of production. After all, each team has a limited supply of options to improve the roster every year. When you have that many first rounders underperforming, it's very difficult to plug the holes in the roster that creates.

Yeah, pretty much this.

Of course a first round pick is not guaranteed to be a hall of famer, an all-pro, or even a high-level starter. And by the same measure a mid or late round pick is not destined to be a practice squad player or "just another guy" or a 5-teams-in-5-years journeyman or whatever. Players over- and under-perform relative to their draft position all the time.

Still the simple fact of the matter remains that pre-draft scouting and draft round projections are not meaningless. And the bottom line is that you are simply more likely to "hit" on a high-quality impact player in the early rounds than you are in the later rounds. Like I said, there's no guarantees, but at the end of the day a guy who is a consensus first-round grade is more *likely* to develop into a quality player than a guy who is a consensus mid-rounder. It's just the simple odds of it and it's not reasonable to expect Gute (or any GM) to repeatedly beat the odds in the draft in this manner.

Obviously it is always a great thing to have mid or late round player develop into important impact players for us, but this is rarely sustainable long-term. It is very, very difficult to build a consistently contending team when your high-value investments are not living up to the "price" you paid for them.

Imagine if we had similar conversations about our free agents. Say Xavier McKinney or Josh Jacobs had been total flops for us. Nobody would be saying "It's okay that we invested a ton in them and they flopped because Eric Wilson has been great and he was a practice squad signing". Obviously this isn't exactly the same as the draft but the principle remains the same: you really, really need your high-value investments to be providing a decent "return on investment" more often than not.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Jadeveon Clowney is a guy I really would embrace Gute signing. His hit is not bad, even next year if we'd decide to finish out his two year isn't terrible - but I could see him sniffing a potential SB and really play some inspired football. Carolina has to be selling and he has to want out of that place you'd think.

I forgot about Clowney. He's in a dead end job with the 1-7 Panthers. Guessing they are setting up their fire sale and he is in the rubbage heap.

I like the idea. Yeah, he is 31, but wouldn't cost the Pack much more than a 6th or a guy like Wicks. The Pack would have a 2025 option on him and from what I see, his combined 1 1/2 year salary with the Packers would be under $10M (only about $600K this year).

I like it!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Imagine if we had similar conversations about our free agents. Say Xavier McKinney or Josh Jacobs had been total flops for us. Nobody would be saying "It's okay that we invested a ton in them and they flopped because Eric Wilson has been great and he was a practice squad signing". Obviously this isn't exactly the same as the draft but the principle remains the same: you really, really need your high-value investments to be providing a decent "return on investment" more often than not.

Actually, is is almost the same. Since a first rounder, besides the draft pick investment, is going to cost the team a lot more in his 4 year salary than a later round guy.

Nobody, that I know of, has really but a dollar value on what each pick in the draft is "worth", but the value between the #1 pick VS the final pick in the draft, is a huge range.

Sticking with the "boom or bust" mentality though. I think we can all agree, that any player can be a "boom or bust" but the degree to which they are, is weighted heavily on just how much the Packers invested in said player (money/draft capital) and how much they got back from said player, before that is really a fair discussion to have.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Whether Jaire's injury is short term or long term, I think the possibility of him going down raised some eyebrows when looking at our depth at CB. As @tynimiller pointed out in a post, King isn't ready and Valentine hasn't looked like he has progressed enough.

I doubt the Packers will stay 100% healthy at all 22 starting spots on the roster, and right now, I think CB is a pretty thin position, even with a healthy Jaire.




The waiver wire, from other teams 1st round busts.

And aside from this latest injury, JA seems to miss games due to injury on a regular basis. Can't really do much because he is a very good corner when he's healthy, and the rest of the CB group is average, just my opinion.

So maybe Gluten does look at trading for a CB. I don't mind Wicks being used in trade discussions, just not sure what the return would be. As usual, no easy answers in the middle of a season.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Jadeveon Clowney is a guy I really would embrace Gute signing. His hit is not bad, even next year if we'd decide to finish out his two year isn't terrible - but I could see him sniffing a potential SB and really play some inspired football. Carolina has to be selling and he has to want out of that place you'd think.

It is a good time to be looking at the Panthers, and other teams probably in the "sell" mode. Clowney would be an interesting addition. Just wonder what it would take to get him.

Best thing for Gluten to do now is use the Lions game as a real test of where this team is in terms of contending for a SB, especially on defense. Regardless - immediate help is needed at CB and Edge. Let's see who steps up on Sunday.

 

[shockerx]

Guys help me out here, we just signed a LB off Washington's practice squad...to our practice squad. I thought he would have to go to the 53 man roster. ..doesnt seem right.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Guys help me out here, we just signed a LB off Washington's practice squad...to our practice squad. I thought he would have to go to the 53 man roster. ..doesnt seem right.

The Commanders released him on Oct. 22. He cleared waivers and was a free agent.

The player the Packers signed to their PS today, is former 1st round pick (#19 in 2021) of the Commanders, LB Jamin Davis.

 

[Pkrjones]

Former 1st round draft pick (#19) Jamin Davis signed to the Packer's practice squad!! Many on the forum wanted Davis with our 1st rounder @ 29 (Stokes) but he was long gone. Hope Gute found another gem?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Former 1st round draft pick (#19) Jamin Davis signed to the Packer's practice squad!! Many on the forum wanted Davis with our 1st rounder @ 29 (Stokes) but he was long gone. Hope Gute found another gem?

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[tynimiller]

The Commanders released him on Oct. 22. He cleared waivers and was a free agent.

The player the Packers signed to their PS today, is former 1st round pick (#19 in 2021) of the Commanders, LB Jamin Davis.

Jamin Davis - oh man I remember him well! Crazy athletic dude but one year starter at Kentucky that so many were iffy on what the inbetweener could be potentially.

Started 28 games the two seasons before this year....but this year new regime his play plummetted and they actually slid him to edge. I REALLY like the dice roll here, he is a dynamic player that can fly around and does overcommit at times but is a bullet.

Many may remember he had ELITE RAS at 9.93...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hope Gute found another gem?

I don't know a ton about Davis, but it sounds like he had some decent seasons for the Commanders at MLB and then they tried to switch him to DL. His RAS score was awesome a 9.93.

Maybe Hafley and the Packers will put him back in as a MLB on a rotational basis, if they like what they see in practices? They waived Chris Russell Jr. to make room for him. I would say that is improving your depth.

 

[tynimiller]

IF WE STAY AT 29 AND PICK A GUY WITH ANY OF THE FOLLOWING POSITIONS, HERE ARE MY PREDICTIONS WHAT NAME IT WILL BE:

WR - Elijah Moore....the trend and GB tendencies at WR is not to go this short or light....BUT it is also not our tendency to go WR in the 1st...so we will save the prototypical WR in Green Bay for the 3rd or 4th on a guy like Ihmir or Simi. Elijah Moore is specia
OT - This is the toughest as I'm thinking either Dillon Radunz or Walker Little....forcing me to choose I'd probably say Dillon - which I wouldn't argue is slightly early for him. Teven is gone or else I'd say him.
iOL/C - Creed Humphrey. In the end Landon's injury history makes us go Creed over him - both can come in and be the center unquestioned IMO.
DT - Barmore or no one.
EDGE - Jayson Oweh...to me he has Gute written all over him and in many ways is like the Gary pick was...to many would be a year too early, but his potential skillset screams value here.
CB - Asante Samuel Jr....I want Newsome - but he is going to be gone, and Asante offers something that very few other CB prospects does IMO - a known floor. This dude seems to have the most polished and secure floor of many prospects...so while his ceiling is limited by his measurables and suspected to not be as high - there is immense value knowing you just drafted a guy that can see snaps consistently and will be where he needs to be, albeit even if he just gets outdone by a WR sometimes.
S - Jevon Holland...I love this guy and love his versatility. Can drop into slot coverage, roam on back end...I wouldn't argue it is a round early maybe, but if we call a safety I think he might be the guy (Moehrig is gone IMO).
LB - Jamin Davis - he is an athletic freak that is young and can be molded/coached up hopefully. It is a gamble that you have the next David (TB) type Linebacker...but worst case I think you have a ST stalwart and an above average LB to add to the room.

Last line I described him right before the draft. He was the first rounder I thought we may go if we went LB.

 

[shockerx]

The Commanders released him on Oct. 22. He cleared waivers and was a free agent.

The player the Packers signed to their PS today, is former 1st round pick (#19 in 2021) of the Commanders, LB Jamin Davis.

Thank's Tyni... I thought he was still on Washingtons PS...Makes since now.

 

[AmishMafia]

Former 1st round draft pick (#19) Jamin Davis signed to the Packer's practice squad!! Many on the forum wanted Davis with our 1st rounder @ 29 (Stokes) but he was long gone. Hope Gute found another gem?

I thought he would be an immediate impact player. Very glad we were able to pick him up here. Surprised he was available, thought he did well early in his career. Way too soon to give up on a guy. Attitude issues? Worth a shot for someone with this upside for very little cost.

Malik Willis of the defense?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thank's Tyni... I thought he was still on Washingtons PS...Makes since now.

You're welcome Largi

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I thought he would be an immediate impact player. Very glad we were able to pick him up here. Surprised he was available, thought he did well early in his career. Way too soon to give up on a guy. Attitude issues? Worth a shot for someone with this upside for very little cost.

Malik Willis of the defense?

So if he works out for the Packers and is impactful, is he a bust for the Commanders and a boom for the Packers? Asking for a friend.

 

[AmishMafia]

So if he works out for the Packers and is impactful, is he a bust for the Commanders and a boom for the Packers? Asking for a friend.

No. He is a mistake by the Commanders for releasing a boom.

But the thing is, there is a new scheme in Washington and he maybe just didn’t fit. Surprised they couldn't manage even a 7th round pick in trade so maybe the reality is he hasn't been very good. Or is a big lockeroom problem. Who knows? But we will find out.

Always hope a player getting cut begins to realize his dream is slipping away and rededicate himself. We shall see.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No. He is a mistake by the Commanders for releasing a boom.

But the thing is, there is a new scheme in Washington and he maybe just didn’t fit. Surprised they couldn't manage even a 7th round pick in trade so maybe the reality is he hasn't been very good. Or is a big lockeroom problem. Who knows? But we will find out.

Always hope a player getting cut begins to realize his dream is slipping away and rededicate himself. We shall see.

Yup.

I think the fact that he cleared waivers and sat unclaimed for a week, tells you something as well.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Last line I described him right before the draft. He was the first rounder I thought we may go if we went LB.

That's interesting. (Didn't the Packers take Myers that year, ahead of Humphrey at C - round 2 I think.)

As for Davis, ya never know what a change of scenery will do. Seems certain he will play at Edge. They certainly need a spark there.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't know a ton about Davis, but it sounds like he had some decent seasons for the Commanders at MLB and then they tried to switch him to DL. His RAS score was awesome a 9.93.

Maybe Hafley and the Packers will put him back in as a MLB on a rotational basis, if they like what they see in practices? They waived Chris Russell Jr. to make room for him. I would say that is improving your depth.

I'm wondering if they'll move him to the Edge. At any rate, looks like he can play anywhere as LB, Edge. Certainly a small risk if he still flashes some talent.

And it is an improvement at depth at no cost. I was a little surprised he cleared waivers and sat for a week. Gluten is pretty good at this though.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Actually, is is almost the same. Since a first rounder, besides the draft pick investment, is going to cost the team a lot more in his 4 year salary than a later round guy.

Nobody, that I know of, has really but a dollar value on what each pick in the draft is "worth", but the value between the #1 pick VS the final pick in the draft, is a huge range.

Sticking with the "boom or bust" mentality though. I think we can all agree, that any player can be a "boom or bust" but the degree to which they are, is weighted heavily on just how much the Packers invested in said player (money/draft capital) and how much they got back from said player, before that is really a fair discussion to have.

Each team only has so much money and draft choices. If the high draft choices bust or even turn out to be average, that leaves holes in the roster because most day 3 draft picks don't turn out to be quality starters. I said before, Gute has saved his job by probably being the best GM in the league in finding good players in rounds 4-7 to make up for his numerous high round busts. Even with that notable achievement, it's very difficult to overcome a roster littered with underperforming high round picks no matter the unique circumstances that may have caused their decline.

 

[Sanguine camper]

GM's need to find 4-5 quality starters every season given that there are 26 starters and those guys play about 6 seasons on average as a starter. If your serious about winning a Super Bowl, one of those guys needs to be pro bowl quality or better because most Super Bowl rosters have 5-7 pro bowlers with 2 of those guys being HOF'ers. Not easy at all! That's why if a GM misses on high draft picks and they're only average or below, your chances of getting to your ultimate goal go way way down. That's why I continue to lament the underperformance of so many high draft picks on this roster. It makes a deep playoff run much more difficult.

 

[Heyjoe4]

GM's need to find 4-5 quality starters every season given that there are 26 starters and those guys play about 6 seasons on average as a starter. If your serious about winning a Super Bowl, one of those guys needs to be pro bowl quality or better because most Super Bowl rosters have 5-7 pro bowlers with 2 of those guys being HOF'ers. Not easy at all! That's why if a GM misses on high draft picks and they're only average or below, your chances of getting to your ultimate goal go way way down. That's why I continue to lament the underperformance of so many high draft picks on this roster. It makes a deep playoff run much more difficult.

It's weird - Gluten has over performed in rounds 4-7 and struggled in rounds 1-3, especially with first round D picks. This is hard to quantify because the process is so subjective. What qualifies as a boom or bust? We all have different answers.

Even so, collectively Gluten's first round picks have under performed relative to expectations (that is, expectations for a high draft pick). That's just my opinion though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

GM's need to find 4-5 quality starters every season given that there are 26 starters and those guys play about 6 seasons on average as a starter. If your serious about winning a Super Bowl, one of those guys needs to be pro bowl quality or better because most Super Bowl rosters have 5-7 pro bowlers with 2 of those guys being HOF'ers. Not easy at all! That's why if a GM misses on high draft picks and they're only average or below, your chances of getting to your ultimate goal go way way down. That's why I continue to lament the underperformance of so many high draft picks on this roster. It makes a deep playoff run much more difficult.

While I do agree with you on this and the hunch that Gute is probably only batting about 50% on his 1st-3rd round guys, I think you forgot another element, one which Gute has done particularly good at, Free Agency.

Just off the top of my head, here are some of his better ones.

1. McKinney
2. Jacobs
3. P. Smith
4. Amos
5. Z. Smith
6. Campbell
7. Nixon

No I don't know how Gute compares to other GM's with his success on his first through 3rd rounders, but he has really done well in the FA market, UDFA's and in season signings and trades.

I will 100% agree that had he hit gold on 75% of his 1-3 picks, the team would be in bettter shape, but they didn't, not do many teams I suspect.