Adding Veteran Leadership

[tynimiller]

And he had Crosby on the other side

I'm confused?

 

[Dantés]

I'm confused?

I'm wondering if he thinks Mack was still playing for the Raiders?

 

[melvin dangerr]

Is he cheaper than Myles? Lol

Probably cheaper by the mile

 

[gopkrs]

Yeah. I thought he was still on the raiders

 

[Sanguine camper]

And he had Crosby on the other side

Mack doesn't play with Max Crosby anymore since he's a Charger. He does have Bosa on his team but he's had his share of injuries the past few years. If Mack only had 6 sacks last year, it could indicate he's still getting near the QB, but can't finish like he used to.

 

[Dantés]

Mack doesn't play with Max Crosby anymore since he's a Charger. He does have Bosa on his team but he's had his share of injuries the past few years. If Mack only had 6 sacks last year, it could indicate he's still getting near the QB, but can't finish like he used to.

More likely it's a fluke. Sacks aren't really stable. He had 17 in 2023 and I doubt he lost his ability to finish that dramatically in one season.

Also, Mack actually never played with Maxx Crosby.

 

[tynimiller]

Mack doesn't play with Max Crosby anymore since he's a Charger. He does have Bosa on his team but he's had his share of injuries the past few years. If Mack only had 6 sacks last year, it could indicate he's still getting near the QB, but can't finish like he used to.

Pressures are the better barometer for a guy to see if they're starting to slack off or have issues.

Mack Pressure totals and pressures per snap charted below:

	Prush snaps	Pressures	Pressures per Prush snap
2024​	419	52	12.4%
2023​	534	88	16.5%
2022​	518	59	11.4%
2021​	176	22	12.5%
2020​	531	59	11.1%
2019​	531	70	13.2%
2018​	505	73	14.5%
2017​	533	79	14.8%
2016​	575	98	17.0%
2015​	581	82	14.1%
2014​	479	54	11.3%

For reference some of the best in the league as many consider and some recognizable names:

Verse - 16.3% (most pressures in the league at 89 per PFF)
Greenard - 15.1%
Hendrickson - 16.1%
M Crosby - 11.7%
N Bosa - 16.4%
Garrett - 17.4%
C Young - 13.7%
TJ Watt - 9.5%
Sweat - 11.6%
Karlaftis - 11.8%

Mack is still producing at just below ELITE levels and is still playing a healthy snap count too.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Pressures are the better barometer for a guy to see if they're starting to slack off or have issues.

Mack Pressure totals and pressures per snap charted below:

	Prush snaps	Pressures	Pressures per Prush snap
2024​	419	52	12.4%
2023​	534	88	16.5%
2022​	518	59	11.4%
2021​	176	22	12.5%
2020​	531	59	11.1%
2019​	531	70	13.2%
2018​	505	73	14.5%
2017​	533	79	14.8%
2016​	575	98	17.0%
2015​	581	82	14.1%
2014​	479	54	11.3%

For reference some of the best in the league as many consider and some recognizable names:

Verse - 16.3% (most pressures in the league at 89 per PFF)
Greenard - 15.1%
Hendrickson - 16.1%
M Crosby - 11.7%
N Bosa - 16.4%
Garrett - 17.4%
C Young - 13.7%
TJ Watt - 9.5%
Sweat - 11.6%
Karlaftis - 11.8%

Mack is still producing at just below ELITE levels and is still playing a healthy snap count too.

Pressures are a fake statistic. They don't translate into success. How many times have you seen a pressured QB run for a first down or step into the pocket and make a big completion? Rather than pressures, forced incompletions plus sacks would be a much better barometer. Each incompletion has 4 causes. 1- a receiver gets his hands on the ball and drops the pass, 2- a defender gets his hands on the ball for a deflection, 3- a bad pass or intentional throw away, 4- a forced incompletion by a pass rusher who causes a QB to make a bad pass because he can't set his legs properly. Like forced fumbles, I also would like pass rushers to get credited with a forced interception.

 

[tynimiller]

Pressures are a fake statistic. They don't translate into success. How many times have you seen a pressured QB run for a first down or step into the pocket and make a big completion? Rather than pressures, forced incompletions plus sacks would be a much better barometer. Each incompletion has 4 causes. 1- a receiver gets his hands on the ball and drops the pass, 2- a defender gets his hands on the ball for a deflection, 3- a bad pass or intentional throw away, 4- a forced incompletion by a pass rusher who causes a QB to make a bad pass because he can't set his legs properly. Like forced fumbles, I also would like pass rushers to get credited with a forced interception.

LOL, talk to defensive coordinators and the best coaches in the game and ask them would you rather have a guy provide 8 sacks and 10 pressures for a season or a guy that provides 3 sacks and 40 pressures on a season and I guarantee you're going to get an answer that is contrary to the logic of sacks is all that matter. That was only in response to the fake claim.

I would love rushers to get credit for an influenced interception or incompetion. That'd be an awesome thing to track.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Pressures just don't translste against mobile QB's. You can pressure them all you want and too often you still give up a big play. Not all sacks are equal. I agree that sacks need to be reevaluated. A 1 yard sack gets the same recognition as a 10 yard sack on 3rd down. I'd rather see sacks added up by yards lost and weighted by down so a sack on 3rd or 4th down is weighted more than one on first down. After all, sacks on 3rd and 4th down stop drives. No other position has the pseudo stats like pass rusher. Every other position has real stats to make solid evaluations. Pass rush stats are much too subjective.