The question is Love better in 2023 because he was picked in 2020 by the Packers? By the same token was Rodgers better in 2008 because he was picked in 2005? And you say there was no rookie wage school in 2005. Nevertheless, a first round QB even then did not get paid peanuts. He would have been taken by someone else. Yes, TT did take a lot of heat that year even from Favre behind closed doors. Why? Not because the Packers would need a QB for the future? But because the Packers were in an impending cap situation in 2005 much like what could be foreseen in 2020. So Love cost us a vital position player or two in 2020? Maybe. Rodgers cost us a vital position player or two in 2005. Recall how we lost our 2 starting guards, Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera to free agency after 2004. And we had NO ONE to replace either of them. Our O line was a shambles that year. Because of it we lost Ahman Green and Davenport to season ending injuries. Just as money spent on Love could have bought us some vital pieces we needed in 2020 the money spent from drafting Rodgers could have purchased 1 or 2 quality guards and when you look at the close games we lost in 2005 it could have made a disastrous season into another winning season. So just as we did not have to draft Love we did not have to draft Rodgers. Recall for the record that Brett Favre did not miss a single start in 2005, 2006, or 2007 including playoffs. And although Favre had to leave a couple games due to getting hit hard the team still lost when Rodgers had to go in for him.
I understand that a lot of fans use the Packers selecting Rodgers back in 2005 with him turning into a HOFer as evidence that it was a smart move to draft Love in '20. Actually it does mean diddly-squad for how it will work out this time. And as another poster pointed out, as long as Love doesn't develop into a quarterback bringing at least another Super Bowl to Green Bay it was a wasted pick.
Everyone is still looking at this pick with hindsight rather than transporting back to April 2020.
No, there were a lot of posters who voiced their displeasure about the Packers selected Love immediately after it happened. No hindsight at all.
I think that and Rodgers perceived play slippage drove the Love pick in 2020 not to mention the prickly/frigid relationship that was probably starting to brew in 2019.
Rodgers was pretty adamant about wanting to play for the Packers for his entire career and into his 40s before they selected Love. It's likely that caused a huge rift between him and the front office.
It is true though, some want you to believe that the Packers would have won Super Bowls with another pick and that the Love pick alone was responsible for Rodgers prickly feelings towards the Packers. Then they want to say that those prickly feelings didn't motivate Rodgers or influence his back to back MVP's. Oh and had Love not been picked, Rodgers would still be a Packer.
By using hind site and blinders, anything is possible to believe.
You're actually the one who's using blinders to ignore that all most of us have been saying is that another other player selected in the first round of the 2020 draft would have improved the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in either 2020 or '21. That should actually be pretty obvious to everyone as Love had no impact at all.
Would it have been enough to hoist another Lombardi? There's no way of knowing but I would have liked to find out.
Pretty funny! So put our franchise on a 7th Rounder for a shot in the dark? That’s not a very sound GM if that’s the case.
Even had we guessed at Brock Purdy, I’m not sure I’m thrilled with him as our Future of this franchise. Great value though. I could just as easily see him as a career backup as I could a Franchise QB. That’s using all the hindsight I can muster.
I was obviously not being serious. Pokerbrat has repeatedly asked other posters to name a quarterback who would enter this season as the team's starter, being well aware there's no way of knowing if the Packers hadn't selected Love back in 2020. I'm quite sure they would have one in place though.
The problem with that is no one wants facts if they do not support their opinion. Why do you think people worldwide are on a mission to erase history? If you haven't looked around lately.. No one really wants the truth
I know that for a fact. It's pretty sad though.
Same thing happened when the Patriots picked Jimmy G. Brady had a fire lit under his *** and won another SB.
Yeah, the Patriots having the best defense in football in 2016 had absolutely nothing to do with that. It was solely Garropolo light a fire under Brady's ***
Nobody wants to lose and especially in their job. These NFL athletes are the ultimate form of competitors and that’s why they are so threatened by competition. Ask Zach Wilson or Brett Favre.
Love wasn't a competition for Rodgers though. They didn't even play him when Rodgers broke his thumb.
I don't agree with that. One missed pick should not define the GM.
In general, I agree that a GM shouldn't be fired based on one pick. But, it's a different scenario when he trades up in the first round to select the successor of a HOFer at quarterback with the team coming off making it to the NFCCG though.
No. Not every QB needs that motivation.
Look, I am sure you think I hate Rodgers, I don't. I said it many times, he is the greatest QB in franchise history. I am a big fan of Rodgers the player. And many people who are fans of the player automatically become fans of the person. Why? They are 2 different matters entirely. Tribalism would be my answer. Belief in your hero such that you will support him despite any evidence to the contrary.
I believe Rodgers is not a very nice person. His estranged relationship with his father, mother, and brother; his snears at Packer coaches; his throwing teammates under the bus; his arrogance in interviews; the way he treated McCarthy (who was a poor coach but a fantastic person); the way he treats his teammates on the field; and deceptive interviews throwing Gute under the bus. I mean saying Packers didnt tell him about the trade, when Gute says AR wouldn't reply to texts or return calls. Think about that. He's trying to turn fans against Gute with a deception. Why do I believe Gute? Because AR didn't deny it - and he knows if he did Gute could easily prove with phone records. Following it up with his house is so big he misses calls and texts was just embarrassingly silly.
. . . All of this points to a poor leadership and deficiencies in character. I don't hate him, but I can recognize who he is.
You can still be a fan of the player, but still recognize his human flaws.
As far as Rodgers the player, he has regressed significantly. His accuracy has gone down and his long ball is significantly shorter. Long gone are the perfectly timed pinpoint passes hitting a WR in stride. Recent MVPs be dammed. He made up partly for his decline with smarts, a truly amazing WR in Devante Adams, and he played within the MLF system. He grew increasingly antagonistic with LaFluer for some reason. He simply no longer makes players around him better.
I'm absolutely stunned how many people truly believe they're capable of forming an educated opinion about somebody they have never interacted with in person.
I'm surprised more teams don't use better draft capital on backup QBs. It's an insurance policy to the most important position on the field.
The majority of fans would have been fine with Gutekunst drafting a backup quarterback at some point in the 2020 drat. Smart teams don't trade up in the first round to do that though.
TT gave Rodgers a lot of weapons early on, still only made it to one Superbowl. While I agree with what you are saying about lack of weapons, but Gute was also attempting to address fixing a defense. Winning Superbowls isn't as easy as some make it sound. Lots of things have to fall into place. Injuries, development, plus in the turnover column and throw in some luck.
Thompson surrounded Rodgers with a lot of talent early during his tenure as the starting quarterback. Unfortunately that wasn't true once Nelson started to decline in 2017. Gutekunst simply hasn't done enough to improve the talent level at pass catcher. In addition both have failed to build an elite defense while spending a ton of capital on that side of the ball.
You might wish to say that Gute did not have weapons for Rodgers in 2022. But over the course of his career whether Gute or Ted Thompson Rodgers had plenty of weapons.
Gutekunst never surrounded Rodgers with enough talent.
This is a viable argument. Although it’s highly unlikely any WR picked at the end of Day1 comes in his rookie season and pushes us over the top and we Win a SB in 2020. Also, while it’s pure speculation, in 2022 had we had that WR, it’s a long shot argument that we win a SB and I don't think we need to use our imagination there. So really the only realistic argument would have been the 2021 season (at best).
Higgins had more than 900 receiving yards as a rookie. He would have definitely improved the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in 2020. Once again, it's anybody's guess if it would have been good enough.
