The Jordan Love Era Begins

[thequick12]

So he has to succeed in one season? He has to be a great nfl QB in his 1st season?

Yes, Rodgers went 6-10 in his first season as a starter but it was evident ge was headed for greatness

Love needs to instill that same sort of confidence in everyone that he's also headed for greatness. Otherwise they need to explore other options to aquire that type of greatness at qb

Becas none of us wanna be the bears, trying to find a qb eternally

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Packers lost by one score against the Bucs with major injuries across the offense. I don't think it's a massive leap to think that having Adams and any other good receiver option would have lead to one more TD (especially considering Rodgers was picking the Bucs apart like they were the Lions). The massiver (not a word but should be) assumption is that Love will be a top-7 QB in the NFL. I hope he does become that and I get to eat those words but the chances of that happening are fairly slim.

Again, you are just making assumptions. The first being, the Packers don't pick Love and they actually pick a WR instead, they picked ZERO WR's in the 2020 draft. Second, you are assuming that said player actually played and not just contributed, but contributed more than the players that suited up for that game. Finally, you are ignoring injuries and the rookie learning curve completely being ignored.

Again, I can use hind site, cherry-pick and choose several players that were selected in all of Gutes drafts, that didn't even make it on to the field or even more than a season. Had those players not been selected and "Player A through Z was, the Packers were improved." All a part of the NFL and drafting.

I am not making any assumptions on Love's talent. What I am assuming though is that the Packers have a QB that they are ready to hand the keys over to. Something they would have been doing when Rodgers time in Green Bay was done, which is now and had they not selected Love in 2020, who is that player?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Looks like the Boys had good front row seats for the Knicks game. Wonder if A-Rod will become an owner of this franchise.

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[Schultz]

We don't pick Love and ignite ARs competitive fire, and take Higgins, we don't make the playoffs and are below 500. No Love- No 2 MVPs.

It took 3 years but the fire fizzled again.

This is as (un)provable as people saying if we would have drafted (?) we would have won a SB.

 

[AmishMafia]

This is as (un)provable as people saying if we would have drafted (?) we would have won a SB.

Unprovable is correct. It is deduced from observation of Rodgers behaviors, various quotes from him, and other patterns he has displayed.

 

[Schultz]

Gute drafted ZERO WR's in the 2020 draft, so arguing that Pittman or Higgins would have been the pick (not should have) doesn't hold a lot of weight IMO.

Gute should absolutely be judged by history, more than he should be judged by the unknown future. Which is what people did immediately following the Love pick. If you want to go back to all of Gute's drafts and say what he should have done, that is kind of a useless and unfair critic, because you are armed with knowledge he did not have in 2020.

If nothing else, the people that didn't like the Love pick, should at least now be acknowledging that the timing and cost of the pick, may just work out as intended. You and others keep ducking my question, had Love not been drafted, where are we now? Please don't say Aaron Rodgers is our QB, because he isn't. Just stick to the facts as we know them.

Why is saying AR not the answer. If they had not drafted Love they would not have traded Rodgers. IMO.

 

[milani]

As you stated in another thread, just because you repeat your opinion doesn't make it automatically true. I consider that to be completely bogus.





The Packers finished fifth in points scored that season though. I definitely don't expect the team to get anywhere close to that this season.



There's absolutely no doubt that any other player selected with the 26th pick in the 2020 draft would have improved the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in 2020 or '21. There's no guarantee they would have beaten the Bucs or Niners in the playoffs though.



Gutekunst's plan should have been to win a Super Bowl with Rodgers as long as he was around. He wasn't able to accomplish that. In addition I'm quite sure the team would have been able to find a backup for the past three seasons if they passed on Love.



With the rookie wage scale in place it's definitely not a perfect timing to have your first round pick sit on the bench for three years.



Gutekunst should have known at the time of the 2020 draft that Rodgers was able to perform at an MVP level. He's getting paid tons of money to figure out things like that.



I'm quite confident in saying that a rookie receiver who led his team in receiving yards would have had a more positive impact on the Packers than a third string quarterback who wasn't even active all season long. Once again, it's possible it wouldn't have been good enough to make it to the Super Bowl though.



It's still anybody's guess how Love will perform moving forward as the starter.



There would have been a time to select Rodgers' successor. The 2020 draft wasn't the right one though.

But isn't that what happened in 2005? We drafted a late first round QB and he rode the bench for 3 years playing very seldom just like the guy we drafted in 2020.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Why is saying AR not the answer. If they had not drafted Love they would not have traded Rodgers. IMO.

That would be open to debate, especially since AR was 90% sure he was going to retire before coming out of his retreat and finding out the Packers were moving on.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Again, you are just making assumptions. The first being, the Packers don't pick Love and they actually pick a WR instead, they picked ZERO WR's in the 2020 draft.

The Packers wouldn't have had to select a wide receiver for that prospect to improve the 2020 team more than Love did. Gutekunst selecting a player at every other position would have had more impact that year than spending the pick on Love.

Again, I can use hind site, cherry-pick and choose several players that were selected in all of Gutes drafts, that didn't even make it on to the field or even more than a season.

Most fans criticizing the selection of Love don't use hindsight three years later to prove their point. It was pretty obvious from the get-go that Love wouldn't have any impact for quite some time and that either Higgins or Pittman would have been a smarter choice.

Something they would have been doing when Rodgers time in Green Bay was done, which is now and had they not selected Love in 2020, who is that player?

Brock Purdy.

But isn't that what happened in 2005? We drafted a late first round QB and he rode the bench for 3 years playing very seldom just like the guy we drafted in 2020.

Yes, but there wasn't a rookie wage scale in place back in 2005.

That would be open to debate, especially since AR was 90% sure he was going to retire before coming out of his retreat and finding out the Packers were moving on.

I'm convinced Rodgers would have returned to the Packers for the 2023 season if the team had committed to wanting him back.

 

[milani]

The Packers wouldn't have had to select a wide receiver for that prospect to improve the 2020 team more than Love did. Gutekunst selecting a player at every other position would have had more impact that year than spending the pick on Love.



Most fans criticizing the selection of Love don't use hindsight three years later to prove their point. It was pretty obvious from the get-go that Love wouldn't have any impact for quite some time and that either Higgins or Pittman would have been a smarter choice.



Brock Purdy.



Yes, but there wasn't a rookie wage scale in place back in 2005.



I'm convinced Rodgers would have returned to the Packers for the 2023 season if the team had committed to wanting him back.

The question is Love better in 2023 because he was picked in 2020 by the Packers? By the same token was Rodgers better in 2008 because he was picked in 2005? And you say there was no rookie wage school in 2005. Nevertheless, a first round QB even then did not get paid peanuts. He would have been taken by someone else. Yes, TT did take a lot of heat that year even from Favre behind closed doors. Why? Not because the Packers would need a QB for the future? But because the Packers were in an impending cap situation in 2005 much like what could be foreseen in 2020. So Love cost us a vital position player or two in 2020? Maybe. Rodgers cost us a vital position player or two in 2005. Recall how we lost our 2 starting guards, Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera to free agency after 2004. And we had NO ONE to replace either of them. Our O line was a shambles that year. Because of it we lost Ahman Green and Davenport to season ending injuries. Just as money spent on Love could have bought us some vital pieces we needed in 2020 the money spent from drafting Rodgers could have purchased 1 or 2 quality guards and when you look at the close games we lost in 2005 it could have made a disastrous season into another winning season. So just as we did not have to draft Love we did not have to draft Rodgers. Recall for the record that Brett Favre did not miss a single start in 2005, 2006, or 2007 including playoffs. And although Favre had to leave a couple games due to getting hit hard the team still lost when Rodgers had to go in for him.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Everyone is still looking at this pick with hindsight rather than transporting back to April 2020. I still think if COVID cancelled the 2020 NFL season that the cap would have been greatly diminished even more than it was and trading/cutting Rodgers and not retaining Jones possibly could have occurred (therefore the Love/Dillon picks to potentially fill 2 glaring holes). I think that and Rodgers perceived play slippage drove the Love pick in 2020 not to mention the prickly/frigid relationship that was probably starting to brew in 2019.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Everyone is still looking at this pick with hindsight rather than transporting back to April 2020.

Not everyone.

It is true though, some want you to believe that the Packers would have won Super Bowls with another pick and that the Love pick alone was responsible for Rodgers prickly feelings towards the Packers. Then they want to say that those prickly feelings didn't motivate Rodgers or influence his back to back MVP's. Oh and had Love not been picked, Rodgers would still be a Packer. By using hind site and blinders, anything is possible to believe.

Rodgers was and still is a great QB, but his arrogance was there well before the 2020 draft. Much like his real life family and the 2005 draft, you do something he doesn't like, he's going to carry that chip on his shoulder for a long time. We saw something similar with Favre, as well as other successful athletes and superstars in their particular occupations. With fame and fortune, can come the feeling of "I am better than everyone else, F them if they don't like what I say or do." The problem is, those people were the ones that helped make that person who they are today. So yes, many of their once fans are going to look at them in a whole new light and it won't the same light that the saw them in, before success got to their head.

 

[OldSchool101]

Brock Purdy.

Pretty funny! So put our franchise on a 7th Rounder for a shot in the dark? That’s not a very sound GM if that’s the case.
Even had we guessed at Brock Purdy, I’m not sure I’m thrilled with him as our Future of this franchise. Great value though. I could just as easily see him as a career backup as I could a Franchise QB. That’s using all the hindsight I can muster.

As long as you can't support it with facts it's just an opinion.

The problem with that is no one wants facts if they do not support their opinion. Why do you think people worldwide are on a mission to erase history? If you haven't looked around lately.. No one really wants the truth

The Packers would take a cap hit of $38 million in dead money by moving on from Bakhtiari. There's no way around that.

Yeah I kinda knew that.
It was said tongue n cheek
But thank you

 

[milani]

Everyone is still looking at this pick with hindsight rather than transporting back to April 2020. I still think if COVID cancelled the 2020 NFL season that the cap would have been greatly diminished even more than it was and trading/cutting Rodgers and not retaining Jones possibly could have occurred (therefore the Love/Dillon picks to potentially fill 2 glaring holes). I think that and Rodgers perceived play slippage drove the Love pick in 2020 not to mention the prickly/frigid relationship that was probably starting to brew in 2019.

The perception of a slipping although aging QB is difficult to grasp. However, how do you go 13-3 with a slipping QB in 2019 or 14-4? Possible but not likely. Now picking for the future does make sense.

 

[rmontro]

So Love cost us a vital position player or two in 2020? Maybe. Rodgers cost us a vital position player or two in 2005.

There were definitely people in 2005 arguing that it was a dumb decision to pick Rodgers, because it cost us a vital position player. And I remember Bears and Vikings fans laughing at us for "wasting" the pick. I guess by 2020 they had learned that they shouldn't laugh.

Anyway, IMO if you posted here back in 2020 that picking Love was a dumb idea because they should have picked a position player, I don't think that should be called hindsight. Besides, none of us at this point in time know if Love is going to work out or not. So there isn't really complete information to use hindsight sufficiently.

Similarly, there is no way to know if we would have won a Super Bowl had Gute picked someone who would have played a more active role. My guess would be not, but you never know.

 

[Firethorn1001]

The perception of a slipping although aging QB is difficult to grasp then, however. How do you go 13-3 with a slipping QB in 2019 or 14-4? Possible but not likely. Now picking for the future does make sense.

Articles were out there in 2019 so, not like I'm making up history (Athletic.. behind a paywall, but 1st view paragraphs tell the tale)

No longer elite: What the numbers tell us about Aaron Rodgers

The discussion around Rodgers has been divorced from the results on the field for years on end. How good will he continue to be?

theathletic.com

 

[JK64]

I will miss the old Rodgers and his elite skills, but it was time to move on and whether Gute had a crystal ball or good spidey senses, he timed the Love pick perfectly.

Only if Love can play. If not, Gute should be fired.

 

[JK64]

Not to kick a dead horse again, but one of the big reasons I wanted Love to play the last 5 games of 2022, was exactly this, knowing more about him.

I don't disagree with you, especially if Rodgers' thumb was an issue. Too many of Rodgers' throws were way off, which I believe hurt the team.

 

[JK64]

As you stated in another thread, just because you repeat your opinion doesn't make it automatically true. I consider that to be completely bogus.

Same thing happened when the Patriots picked Jimmy G. Brady had a fire lit under his *** and won another SB.

 

[OldSchool101]

Same thing happened when the Patriots picked Jimmy G. Brady had a fire lit under his *** and won another SB.

Amen. That concept isn’t some new formula. Some will have you believe that Aaron Rodgers is special and different from our Species. Yet Humans have been built to be competitive at all turns from Adam on. If someone doesn’t believe that?, we can’t even pass a car without them speeding up to cut us off! Have you experience this? Of course you have you and I do it all the time.

Nobody wants to lose and especially in their job. These NFL athletes are the ultimate form of competitors and that’s why they are so threatened by competition. Ask Zach Wilson or Brett Favre.

Aaron Rodgers primary motivation in 2020 was to not get replaced and anyone saying otherwise is deceiving themselves.

 

[milani]

Articles were out there in 2019 so, not like I'm making up history (Athletic.. behind a paywall, but 1st view paragraphs tell the tale)

No longer elite: What the numbers tell us about Aaron Rodgers

The discussion around Rodgers has been divorced from the results on the field for years on end. How good will he continue to be?

theathletic.com

That is typical of pundits. I am sure they said the same thing about Brady. And that is fine. I will always gladly take an aging, slipping QB who can take me to the NFC Championship game. Or even an aging, slipping Brady who threw 3 picks and still beat us. And then 2 weeks later he has another SB ring on his finger. Yep, slipping all right. There is always JUST FOR MEN.

 

[milani]

There were definitely people in 2005 arguing that it was a dumb decision to pick Rodgers, because it cost us a vital position player. And I remember Bears and Vikings fans laughing at us for "wasting" the pick. I guess by 2020 they had learned that they shouldn't laugh.

Anyway, IMO if you posted here back in 2020 that picking Love was a dumb idea because they should have picked a position player, I don't think that should be called hindsight. Besides, none of us at this point in time know if Love is going to work out or not. So there isn't really complete information to use hindsight sufficiently.

Similarly, there is no way to know if we would have won a Super Bowl had Gute picked someone who would have played a more active role. My guess would be not, but you never know.

I agree with you. But for consistency and comparison sake I bring up the fact that we had no more knowledge or reason to believe Rodgers would accomplish what he did going into 2008 any more than we know Love will in 2023. Different coaches, different team, different GM, and different opponents. So what I see is Gute at this point does not look any more foolish today than Ted Thompson did in 2005. It was nearly impossible to believe Rodgers could match or eclipse Brett Favre going into 2008. And today we can say the same thing for Love.

 

[rmontro]

It was nearly impossible to believe Rodgers could match or eclipse Brett Favre going into 2008.

Well, I certainly didn't know Rodgers was going to be so good. But I was on a different board at that time, and there were a number of people saying Rodgers was better than Favre. I guess that's debatable, but in some ways he was. In some ways he wasn't. He was kind of the anti-Favre we needed at the time.

 

[milani]

Well, I certainly didn't know Rodgers was going to be so good. But I was on a different board at that time, and there were a number of people saying Rodgers was better than Favre. I guess that's debatable, but in some ways he was. In some ways he wasn't. He was kind of the anti-Favre we needed at the time.

He was a contrast. But we also know he could not be as durable as Favre as far as starting EVERY game over the course of his career until the end. And no one could say Rodgers would be a HOFer especially after following the Arm of Football Immortality as Paul Allen called him. Rodgers was not at the top of the list of QBs in the 2005 draft. Alex Smith was drafted before him. And had Brett refrained from announcing his retirement in February 2008 Rodgers likely does not get the job and the Packers probably wind up trading him.

 

[longtimefan]

He was a contrast. But we also know he could not be as durable as Favre as far as starting EVERY game over the course of his career until the end. And no one could say Rodgers would be a HOFer especially after following the Arm of Football Immortality as Paul Allen called him. Rodgers was not at the top of the list of QBs in the 2005 draft. Alex Smith was drafted before him. And had Brett refrained from announcing his retirement in February 2008 Rodgers likely does not get the job and the Packers probably wind up trading him.

Rodgers was projected as a#1 by some people

People said rodgers would take us to the toilet bowl

Kids were giving him the finger at training camp

The hate was much more for Rodgers