The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Pokerbrat2000]

If I wanted to continue working until I was 90 does that mean it's a great idea for my employer to keep me on for another 30 years? There comes a time when I'm not worth what I'm being paid (after 3-4% raises every year) and the same thing happened to AR. Apparently Gute felt that he was no longer worth his yearly pay to the GB franchise.

Throw in you sitting at your desk each year, publicly waffling on whether you are going to retire, keep working for your company or tell them to find you a job with a competing company. Rodges was a heck of a good QB for the Packers, but I do believe that the people who make the decisions in GB, knew what they were doing, when they traded him.

Ok. maybe not directly. I don’t think anyone would actually assert that a total green pea (Love) would come in and challenge Aaron for the starting position. Aaron was going to do everything possible to make certain Jordan Love never saw light of day as a starter. Including going full throttle in the 2020-2021 seasons.
By playing at a newly energized level, Aaron could silently accomplish making Gute look foolish. But don’t think for a second those back to back MVP seasons were just by chance. Rodgers came off 2 of his worst consecutive seasons with 2 of his best consecutive seasons. Im fully convinced that the fire behind it was absolutely our QB’s pride.
Aaron will never admit that and we really don’t need him to, it was on full display and actions speak much louder than words. It’s not some huge reach to insinuate that the Jordan Love selection fueled the fire. It was like pouring Petro and Kindling on red hot smoldering embers and it absolutely reignited the Fire.

Aaron Rodgers would have been the starting QB this season for the Packers. However, the Packers made the decision to move on and they probably made it for several reasons. 5 distinct reasons pop into my head, but I am sure there are more. Alone, these 5 reasons justified the purging of Rodgers IMO.

- Cost of Rodgers
- Age of Rodgers
- Dealing with Rodgers, "The Complicated Fella"
- Results of 2022 season
- Jordan Love's progress

 

[OldSchool101]

Throw in you sitting at your desk each year, publicly waffling on whether you are going to retire, keep working for your company or tell them to find you a job with a competing company. Rodges was a heck of a good QB for the Packers, but I do believe that the people who make the decisions in GB, knew what they were doing, when they traded him.


Aaron Rodgers would have been the starting QB this season for the Packers. However, the Packers made the decision to move on and they probably made it for several reasons. 5 distinct reasons pop into my head, but I am sure there are more. Alone, these 5 reasons justified the purging of Rodgers IMO.

- Cost of Rodgers
- Age of Rodgers
- Dealing with Rodgers, "The Complicated Fella"
- Results of 2022 season
- Rodgers age
- Jordan Love's progress

Yes those are all good reasoning and I didn’t mean to imply we took a QB primarily to push Rodgers. It was an unintended benefit and I think we got better play at QB because it irritated the crap out of QB1. I know that because there was a Run on Scotch shortly after the selection.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes those are all good reasoning and I didn’t mean to imply we took a QB primarily to push Rodgers. It was an unintended benefit and I think we got better play at QB because it irritated the crap out of QB1

I totally agree. Unintended positive side effect of drafting for the future, when it appeared it would be needed and a player of high value was available in the draft. It isn't often that a team picking late in the first round, can grab a QB that some were talking about as a top 10 pick.

While I do agree with some posters claim that by drafting Love, Rodgers irritation of the process was apparent. Did that light the fuse to end his career in GB quicker than he wanted? Possibly, but I think the fuse had already been lit a few years earlier with personnel decisions that he didn't like. This just fanned the flames to make it burn faster. He had all the power to put it behind him, but he seemed to choose to hold on to it as a constant source of irritation and eventually his ticket out of GB.

 

[milani]

I understand that a lot of fans use the Packers selecting Rodgers back in 2005 with him turning into a HOFer as evidence that it was a smart move to draft Love in '20. Actually it does mean diddly-squad for how it will work out this time. And as another poster pointed out, as long as Love doesn't develop into a quarterback bringing at least another Super Bowl to Green Bay it was a wasted pick.



No, there were a lot of posters who voiced their displeasure about the Packers selected Love immediately after it happened. No hindsight at all.



Rodgers was pretty adamant about wanting to play for the Packers for his entire career and into his 40s before they selected Love. It's likely that caused a huge rift between him and the front office.



You're actually the one who's using blinders to ignore that all most of us have been saying is that another other player selected in the first round of the 2020 draft would have improved the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in either 2020 or '21. That should actually be pretty obvious to everyone as Love had no impact at all.

Would it have been enough to hoist another Lombardi? There's no way of knowing but I would have liked to find out.



I was obviously not being serious. Pokerbrat has repeatedly asked other posters to name a quarterback who would enter this season as the team's starter, being well aware there's no way of knowing if the Packers hadn't selected Love back in 2020. I'm quite sure they would have one in place though.



I know that for a fact. It's pretty sad though.



Yeah, the Patriots having the best defense in football in 2016 had absolutely nothing to do with that. It was solely Garropolo light a fire under Brady's ***



Love wasn't a competition for Rodgers though. They didn't even play him when Rodgers broke his thumb.



In general, I agree that a GM shouldn't be fired based on one pick. But, it's a different scenario when he trades up in the first round to select the successor of a HOFer at quarterback with the team coming off making it to the NFCCG though.



I'm absolutely stunned how many people truly believe they're capable of forming an educated opinion about somebody they have never interacted with in person.



The majority of fans would have been fine with Gutekunst drafting a backup quarterback at some point in the 2020 drat. Smart teams don't trade up in the first round to do that though.



Thompson surrounded Rodgers with a lot of talent early during his tenure as the starting quarterback. Unfortunately that wasn't true once Nelson started to decline in 2017. Gutekunst simply hasn't done enough to improve the talent level at pass catcher. In addition both have failed to build an elite defense while spending a ton of capital on that side of the ball.



Gutekunst never surrounded Rodgers with enough talent.



Higgins had more than 900 receiving yards as a rookie. He would have definitely improved the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in 2020. Once again, it's anybody's guess if it would have been good

I understand that a lot of fans use the Packers selecting Rodgers back in 2005 with him turning into a HOFer as evidence that it was a smart move to draft Love in '20. Actually it does mean diddly-squad for how it will work out this time. And as another poster pointed out, as long as Love doesn't develop into a quarterback bringing at least another Super Bowl to Green Bay it was a wasted pick.



No, there were a lot of posters who voiced their displeasure about the Packers selected Love immediately after it happened. No hindsight at all.



Rodgers was pretty adamant about wanting to play for the Packers for his entire career and into his 40s before they selected Love. It's likely that caused a huge rift between him and the front office.



You're actually the one who's using blinders to ignore that all most of us have been saying is that another other player selected in the first round of the 2020 draft would have improved the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in either 2020 or '21. That should actually be pretty obvious to everyone as Love had no impact at all.

Would it have been enough to hoist another Lombardi? There's no way of knowing but I would have liked to find out.



I was obviously not being serious. Pokerbrat has repeatedly asked other posters to name a quarterback who would enter this season as the team's starter, being well aware there's no way of knowing if the Packers hadn't selected Love back in 2020. I'm quite sure they would have one in place though.



I know that for a fact. It's pretty sad though.



Yeah, the Patriots having the best defense in football in 2016 had absolutely nothing to do with that. It was solely Garropolo light a fire under Brady's ***



Love wasn't a competition for Rodgers though. They didn't even play him when Rodgers broke his thumb.



In general, I agree that a GM shouldn't be fired based on one pick. But, it's a different scenario when he trades up in the first round to select the successor of a HOFer at quarterback with the team coming off making it to the NFCCG though.



I'm absolutely stunned how many people truly believe they're capable of forming an educated opinion about somebody they have never interacted with in person.



The majority of fans would have been fine with Gutekunst drafting a backup quarterback at some point in the 2020 drat. Smart teams don't trade up in the first round to do that though.



Thompson surrounded Rodgers with a lot of talent early during his tenure as the starting quarterback. Unfortunately that wasn't true once Nelson started to decline in 2017. Gutekunst simply hasn't done enough to improve the talent level at pass catcher. In addition both have failed to build an elite defense while spending a ton of capital on that side of the ball.



Gutekunst never surrounded Rodgers with enough talent.



Higgins had more than 900 receiving yards as a rookie. He would have definitely improved the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in 2020. Once again, it's anybody's guess if it would have been good enough.

Over the course of his career Rodgers WAS surrounded with plenty of OFFENSIVE talent. With the exception of one season he was not surrounded with DEFENSE and in recent years SPECIAL TEAMS. Gute's primary goal when coming to GB was to improve the area that had failed for virtually a decade. Even after Gute came aboard Rodgers still had Adams. And we saw last season what happened without him. In 2011 Rodgers had the cream of the crop. But we also saw that what Rodgers really needed was DEFENSE. It still remains that DEFENSE wins championship. As great as Brett Favre was in 1996 it was his team's league leading defense that brought the crown.
Even if Jordan Love turns out to be a wasted pick the truth is that the same could and should have been said about Rodgers in 2005. He was not a Heisman winner. He never won a Rose Bowl. Yes, the Packers won a SB in 2010. But do you stop to realize that another pick could have helped the Packers in 2005, 2006, or especially in 2007 when they were one play from a SB? Rodgers did virtually nothing in those 3 years except break a bone in his foot. And as you say that " decline " factored in the reason for drafting Love. There was NO decline in #4's performance heading into 2005. He hinted retirement as he always did but that was all it was. And Favre NEVER missed a start in GB in all those years. That cannot be said of Aaron Rodgers. And by the way, Brett Favre played a season with a broken thumb as well. Yet he still gave us a better chance of winning than the guy on the bench. So there actually was LESS reason in 2005 to draft Rodgers than there was to draft Love in 2020. But Thompson did it. And Gute did it. And we accept it either way.

 

[rmontro]

He surrounded him with enough talent to win 13 games in three consecutive seasons. No other team had EVER done that before.

I didn't realize that had never been done before. That's quite an accomplishment.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You see Capt, this is what I am talking about. Devotion to a sports hero that transcends to devotion to the person.

Why can't you form an opinion based on what he says, what he does (live on camera), his body language, what people close to him say, and the consequences of his personal life? We do this all the time.

Yes, you do that all the time. But that doesn't mean you're anywhere close to being capable of fairly evaluating a person's character based on it.

If you still don't get it, think about what your opinion of hi tler is (whom you have never met). And for the love of God, don't say I just compared Rodgers to hi tler.

I was actually going to say this exact same thing!

I try to be as polite as possible in my response to that. But it's pretty obvious that there's something seriously wrong with all of you when you truly suggest it's the same to advocate not to evaluate the character of a football player who hasn't had any legal issues and a leader who was responsible for killing millions of people.

If I wanted to continue working until I was 90 does that mean it's a great idea for my employer to keep me on for another 30 years? There comes a time when I'm not worth what I'm being paid (after 3-4% raises every year) and the same thing happened to AR.

Well, when you're still the best in the world at your job at age 89 it might be smart for your employer to keep you for another year.

That is assuming that the Packers would have won a Super Bowl if they had drafted anyone else, which as you have admitted, is far from a certainty.

No, I will consider drafting Love a mistake if he doesn't end up leading the Packers to a Super Bowl. Period.

That's horse ***** and you know it. He surrounded him with enough talent to win 13 games in three consecutive seasons.

Rodgers hasn't had a decent #2 receiver ever since Gutekunst took over. The Packers rode the QB's coattail to three consecutive 13 win seasons despite lacking talent at pass catcher.

There's no way in hell Rodgers would have thrown him enough balls to get 900 yards. Not with his security blanket on the field. His track record of throwing to rookies was pretty poor until Adams left.

First of all the Packers wouldn't have needed Higgins to have 900 receiving yards as a rookie to be an upgrade over a quarterback who wasn't even active for a single game that season. In addition Rodgers' track record of throwing to rookies is heavily tainted because the team had a ton of weapons early in his career but once they didn't anymore he wasn't provided with enough talent to target a rookie a ton.

Ok. maybe not directly. I don’t think anyone would actually assert that a total green pea (Love) would come in and challenge Aaron for the starting position.

Love wasn't even able to challenge Rodgers in his third season with AR playing with a broken thumb for 12 games.

Aaron Rodgers would have been the starting QB this season for the Packers. However, the Packers made the decision to move on and they probably made it for several reasons. 5 distinct reasons pop into my head, but I am sure there are more. Alone, these 5 reasons justified the purging of Rodgers IMO.

- Jordan Love's progress

That is still completely unknown.

Over the course of his career Rodgers WAS surrounded with plenty of OFFENSIVE talent. With the exception of one season he was not surrounded with DEFENSE and in recent years SPECIAL TEAMS. Gute's primary goal when coming to GB was to improve the area that had failed for virtually a decade. Even after Gute came aboard Rodgers still had Adams. And we saw last season what happened without him. In 2011 Rodgers had the cream of the crop. But we also saw that what Rodgers really needed was DEFENSE. It still remains that DEFENSE wins championship. As great as Brett Favre was in 1996 it was his team's league leading defense that brought the crown.
Even if Jordan Love turns out to be a wasted pick the truth is that the same could and should have been said about Rodgers in 2005. He was not a Heisman winner. He never won a Rose Bowl. Yes, the Packers won a SB in 2010. But do you stop to realize that another pick could have helped the Packers in 2005, 2006, or especially in 2007 when they were one play from a SB? Rodgers did virtually nothing in those 3 years except break a bone in his foot. And as you say that " decline " factored in the reason for drafting Love. There was NO decline in #4's performance heading into 2005. He hinted retirement as he always did but that was all it was. And Favre NEVER missed a start in GB in all those years. That cannot be said of Aaron Rodgers. And by the way, Brett Favre played a season with a broken thumb as well. Yet he still gave us a better chance of winning than the guy on the bench. So there actually was LESS reason in 2005 to draft Rodgers than there was to draft Love in 2020. But Thompson did it. And Gute did it. And we accept it either way.

Once again, I understand that fans were upset with the selection of Rodgers back in 2005 as well. While it's true that selecting another player instead could have resulted in the Packers winning the Super Bowl in 2007 (let's be honest they didn't stand a chance in '05 and '06) the team found itself in a completely different situation at the time they picked Rodgers. Favre was mulling retirement for years, they were in cap hell and hadn't made it to the NFCCG in seven consecutive seasons. They were bound for a rebuild as evidenced by them going 4-12 despite Favre playing in every single game.

In addition Rodgers developing into another HOF quarterback means diddly-squat for how the selection of Love will end up working out.

As a side note, Rodgers was surrounded by a ton of offensive talent up until 2017. He wasn't ever since. Gutekunst doesn't deserve any credit for Thompson providing enough pass catchers before he took over as the team's general manager though.

 

[AmishMafia]

Well, when you're still the best in the world at your job at age 89 it might be smart for your employer to keep you for another year.

You really actually believe Rodgers is still at the top of his game and the best QB in the NFL.

Rodgers hasn't had a decent #2 receiver ever since Gutekunst took over. The Packers rode the QB's coattail to three consecutive 13 win seasons despite lacking talent at pass catcher.

And yet Rodgers wanted his old #2 WR, Allen Lazard, in NY with him.

 

[Half Empty]

5 distinct reasons pop into my head, but I am sure there are more. Alone, these 5 reasons justified the purging of Rodgers IMO.

- Cost of Rodgers
- Age of Rodgers
- Dealing with Rodgers, "The Complicated Fella"
- Results of 2022 season
- Rodgers age
- Jordan Love's progress

With so little going on with the team, figured it was time to address a bit of "what's wrong with this post?" action.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

With so little going on with the team, figured it was time to address a bit of "what's wrong with this post?" action.

LOL....good catch....I added the 6th on an edit. Must have been high on my list!

 

[Mondio]

You really actually believe Rodgers is still at the top of his game and the best QB in the NFL.

And yet Rodgers wanted his old #2 WR, Allen Lazard, in NY with him.

The top of his game, no. One of the best in the NFL? without a doubt. Even with a broken thumb. Top 5 for me. Mahomes better. Aided by youth and pass catchers, Burrow, Allen, Maybe Herbert. Take AJ brown away from Hurts and watch him hurt. Regardless, I can't see any of them on last years Packer team doing much better outside of Mahomes. So yes, one of the best.

 

[AmishMafia]

The top of his game, no. One of the best in the NFL? without a doubt. Even with a broken thumb. Top 5 for me. Mahomes better. Aided by youth and pass catchers, Burrow, Allen, Maybe Herbert. Take AJ brown away from Hurts and watch him hurt. Regardless, I can't see any of them on last years Packer team doing much better outside of Mahomes. So yes, one of the best.

I'd put him at average to a little below at this point. Still has the smarts, but his arm and accuracy have decreased as well as his legs in the pocket. As far as Hurts - when Rodgers lost Adams he was hurting as well.

I do think the biggest improvement for Rodgers this season will be his attitude. I think his early success was spurred on by his Slight on draft day. Now rejected by his former team the chip may be placed back on his shoulder. I will be rooting against him - not because of personal feelings, but for the higher draft pick. Hey, I'm a Packers fan first and foremost. If it wasnt for the draft pick, I would root for him when not playing the Packers.

 

[Spanky]

I'd put him at average to a little below at this point. Still has the smarts, but his arm and accuracy have decreased as well as his legs in the pocket. As far as Hurts - when Rodgers lost Adams he was hurting as well.

I do think the biggest improvement for Rodgers this season will be his attitude. I think his early success was spurred on by his Slight on draft day. Now rejected by his former team the chip may be placed back on his shoulder. I will be rooting against him - not because of personal feelings, but for the higher draft pick. Hey, I'm a Packers fan first and foremost. If it wasnt for the draft pick, I would root for him when not playing the Packers.

Rooting against AR is not going to give the Packers a better draft choice. Rooting for him is not going to give the Packers a worse draft choice.

I wish AR well in NY. He may have been a PITA at times, especially the last 5 years, but it was a treat to watch him play football and deliver a Lombardi trophy and many winning seasons during his time with the Pack. I suffered through the 70's and 80's with this team so even though we've had it good the last 30 years, I never take it for granted that the Packers will be a winning/playoff team year in and year out.

In the end I'm at peace with the Packers rolling with Jordan Love. Let's see what we've got. And AR was delivered to a nice spot with the Jets. Let's see if he can repeat the Tom Brady late career magic with a new team.

 

[gopkrs]

Love wasn't even able to challenge Rodgers in his third season with AR playing with a broken thumb for 12 games.

My opinion about that is that Rodgers just wanted to play and we (LaFleur) had become accustomed to giving ARod what he wanted. I don't think it meant that Love could not have played better. Maybe Rodgers was not completely honest about how much it affected him. I think we would have been much better off if he let it heal for a game or two. Especially since we were losing a bunch of those games.

 

[AmishMafia]

Rooting against AR is not going to give the Packers a better draft choice. Rooting for him is not going to give the Packers a worse draft choice.

I wish AR well in NY. He may have been a PITA at times, especially the last 5 years, but it was a treat to watch him play football and deliver a Lombardi trophy and many winning seasons during his time with the Pack. I suffered through the 70's and 80's with this team so even though we've had it good the last 30 years, I never take it for granted that the Packers will be a winning/playoff team year in and year out.

Yes, I don't for a minute take our level of QB play recently for granted. I suffered along with you through the Whitehurst, "richard"-ey, Hadle, Wright, etc years. Favre was the most exciting QB and Rodgers I appreciated even more because of his smarts and arm talent.

I dont understand your first comments. The Packers get a pick next year. If the Jets falter the pick will be higher. Wait, are you under the impression that my shouting at the TV has no effect on a game being played 900 miles away?!?!

 

[Schultz]

Again I am in the middle. Unfortunately AR is no longer the best QB in the game. He definitely is not average or below (bottom 16) either. If CApt. can't use his past then Amish can't use others futures and we are talking about here and now to say he is either one of these is outlandish IMO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I do think the biggest improvement for Rodgers this season will be his attitude. I think his early success was spurred on by his Slight on draft day. Now rejected by his former team the chip may be placed back on his shoulder. I will be rooting against him - not because of personal feelings, but for the higher draft pick. Hey, I'm a Packers fan first and foremost. If it wasnt for the draft pick, I would root for him when not playing the Packers.

I feel the same and it will be interesting to watch Rodgers work with a new offensive line. The Jets gave up 10 more sacks last year than the Packers, so they better shore up that OL. Otherwise, a less agile (than Wilson) Rodgers, might be seeing less time to get a pass off and hit more often.

Your first point is HUGE in my book. I think the chip will be bigger than the one after the draft, as well as the one after Love was selected. Billy Turner has already pointed out that Rodgers is a different guy in New York. I can see Rodgers putting everything he's go into this season, to prove to everyone, it was a mistake to trade him. Extra film study, going to OTA's, picking teammates up, full cooperation with the FO, etc. The thing is, unless he takes the Jets to the SB, he won't do much more than we have already see him do in GB.

 

[AmishMafia]

I feel the same and it will be interesting to watch Rodgers work with a new offensive line. The Jets gave up 10 more sacks last year than the Packers, so they better shore up that OL. Otherwise, a less agile (than Wilson) Rodgers, might be seeing less time to get a pass off and hit more often.

You could be right. Rodgers does have more pocket awareness, so probably a bunch more throws out of bounds. May offset some of the sacks. Jets took OC Tippman from Wisconsin in the 2nd - he is NFL ready and should be a big help. Should the Jets have any health issues along the OL, they could have some troubles.

 

[pacmaniac]

I try to be as polite as possible in my response to that. But it's pretty obvious that there's something seriously wrong with all of you when you truly suggest it's the same to advocate not to evaluate the character of a football player who hasn't had any legal issues and a leader who was responsible for killing millions of people.

I disagree with you that you cannot judge Aaron Rodgers as a person without having met him.

Well, when you're still the best in the world at your job at age 89 it might be smart for your employer to keep you for another year.

What's that have to do with Rodgers? He's definitely not the best QB in the world right now.

No, I will consider drafting Love a mistake if he doesn't end up leading the Packers to a Super Bowl. Period.

Do you think Favre had a more successful career in GB since he made it to more Super Bowls than Rodgers?

Love wasn't even able to challenge Rodgers in his third season with AR playing with a broken thumb for 12 games.

You're seriously suggesting the Packers would have considered benching Rodgers for Love last season due to his thumb injury, when it's not even certain to many people that the injury affected his game at all?

That is still completely unknown.

You only quoted 1 out of his 5. I guess you agree with his other 4 then.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You're seriously suggesting the Packers would have considered benching Rodgers for Love last season due to his thumb injury, when it's not even certain to many people that the injury affected his game at all?

I have literally heard not a single person suggest a broken thumb on a QB's throwing hand does not affect their ability to throw the ball.

 

[pacmaniac]

I have literally heard not a single person suggest a broken thumb on a QB's throwing hand does not affect their ability to throw the ball.

I've seen people on this forum say that Rodgers' poor (by his standards) 2022 season was because of a decline in ability due to age, not because of his thumb injury.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Yes, I don't for a minute take our level of QB play recently for granted. I suffered along with you through the Whitehurst, "richard"-ey, Hadle, Wright, etc years. Favre was the most exciting QB and Rodgers I appreciated even more because of his smarts and arm talent.

I dont understand your first comments. The Packers get a pick next year. If the Jets falter the pick will be higher. Wait, are you under the impression that my shouting at the TV has no effect on a game being played 900 miles away?!?!

Actually, if the Jets falter has no direct bearing on if the pick will be higher or not. It's prett straight forward, 2nd rounder unless AR plays 65% or more of the snaps. Then it's a 1st.

 

[Pkrjones]

Actually, if the Jets falter has no direct bearing on if the pick will be higher or not. It's prett straight forward, 2nd rounder unless AR plays 65% or more of the snaps. Then it's a 1st.

If AR plays 12 games or more AND the Jets "falter" the pick is higher in the 1st round, rather than if they win the SB it'll be pick #32. IF AR only plays 8 games and the Jets faulter (6-11, 7-10) then the pick will be higher in the 2nd vs. if they win the SB and the pick is #64.

From a GB-standpoint it should be hoped that AR stays healthy and the Jets fail to make the playoffs, giving GB a pick higher than #20 in round 1 of the '24 draft from the NYJets.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

If AR plays 12 games or more AND the Jets "falter" the pick is higher in the 1st round, rather than if they win the SB it'll be pick #32. IF AR only plays 8 games and the Jets faulter (6-11, 7-10) then the pick will be higher in the 2nd vs. if they win the SB and the pick is #64.

From a GB-standpoint it should be hoped that AR stays healthy and the Jets fail to make the playoffs, giving GB a pick higher than #20 in round 1 of the '24 draft from the NYJets.

Yeah, I get that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If AR plays 12 games or more AND the Jets "falter" the pick is higher in the 1st round, rather than if they win the SB it'll be pick #32. IF AR only plays 8 games and the Jets faulter (6-11, 7-10) then the pick will be higher in the 2nd vs. if they win the SB and the pick is #64.

From a GB-standpoint it should be hoped that AR stays healthy and the Jets fail to make the playoffs, giving GB a pick higher than #20 in round 1 of the '24 draft from the NYJets.

I will be smiling after every Jet loss. Even if Rodgers doesn't play 65% of the snaps, every Jet's loss = a better draft pick for the Packers.

 

[Schultz]

I disagree with you that you cannot judge Aaron Rodgers as a person without having met him.


What's that have to do with Rodgers? He's definitely not the best QB in the world right now.


Do you think Favre had a more successful career in GB since he made it to more Super Bowls than Rodgers?


You're seriously suggesting the Packers would have considered benching Rodgers for Love last season due to his thumb injury, when it's not even certain to many people that the injury affected his game at all?


You only quoted 1 out of his 5. I guess you agree with his other 4 then.

I will give you being able to judge someone without meeting them. IMO that does limit your judgement though.