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Tom is one guy and yeah, he was a good find. Maybe the issue is consistency. The more guys play next to each other, the better they communicate and the more effective they are. Bakhtiari has been in and out, Jenkins missed time, other guys missed time. It just seems to me that the OL created problems with the O due to a lack of consistency. No one's fault. MLF had to play the hand he was dealt.

Maybe they do have the guys they need. Every year they take a few in the draft and have been successful coaching guys up. I'm just looking for more consistency as far as the starters - and no one will complain about depth.
I specifically talked about L Tackle where you said we need a replacement. They seem to have put Zack out there on an island and he has been up to it. And so I'm wondering about poor Zack in your plans.
 

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Hi buddy. Christmas was great, thanks! Wow that's a pretty good deal for Hockenson. If the GM knew the team would go on a 6-1 run I doubt they would have traded him. The Lions are coming on.
Yeah they are. I’m actually happy for their fan base. Long suffering and have been pretty cool with us over the years.
 

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I specifically talked about L Tackle where you said we need a replacement. They seem to have put Zack out there on an island and he has been up to it. And so I'm wondering about poor Zack in your plans.
You're over-reacting for some reason and have a thing for Tom. I was referring to the entire OL. Whatever. Full stop.
 
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Up until 3 or 4 years ago, Rodgers was blessed with some really good WR talent and it was easy to overlook the TE as a receiver. Now we have a team with very little in the way of receiving threats (Watson slowly coming into his own), so not having a TE as a weapon hurts just that much more. Except for Jermichael Finley in Rodgers first 5 seasons as a starter, he really hasn't had a real playmaker at the position. When he finally hangs it up, there will always be talk of what could have been, had he been given more weapons.
Totally agree. After watching this season it’s time to go get #12 a TE1 or WR1 to pair in this draft. Hopefully using #32 overall.
 
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My biggest concerns going into next year are #1 - The defensive line. #2 - The offensive line.
 
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My biggest concerns going into next year are #1 - The defensive line. #2 - The offensive line.
That and a derivative of OL, we desperately need a bonafide TE. Marcedes is nearing retirement and everyone except Deguara are FA’s. It’s probably the biggest positional ? going into ‘23. We also missed badly on Jace Sternberger and never really found an adequate replacement.
 
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As for the OL, the problems are deeper than needing TEs to block or chip. I hope Bakhtiari comes back and plays every week. Otherwise it's time to find a replacement.
This is what you wrote
 

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Don't know why you have a thing about Jaire. And yeah... What Then? Nothing. We pretty much know what we have with him and it isn't half linebacker. I'll take him.
Why do I have a "thing" about Jaire? Easy answer. With his new contract, he became the highest paid CB in the NFL ($21M/year), yet he hasn't played like one.

So unless I read that he has been playing with some kind of injury, I'm going to keep saying he is totally underperforming on his contract. These are exactly the contracts that hurt your team, when they aren't played up to.

If you are looking for JA...you will have to skip to....page 2.


So tell me, why are you happy with JA?
 

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I am surprised though that he has had more targets than in his really good year.
Again, his "really good year", was perceived to be just that, mainly because of his 11 TD's. I liken it to an OLB having a completely out of whack sack total, fans get all excited and think he's the new stud OLB. Nope, just happen to have a lucky season and one not in line of what you should expect.
 

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Jaire is fine. People are pissed because he's not living up to his #1 pay and he has a hard time admitting mistakes. Compared to Damarius Randall and Quentin Rollins and Kevin King, he's a dream come true.
Well of course some fans are pissed, the ones paying attention to what he makes and what he does. All 3 players you mentioned were not stellar CB's for sure, however, they weren't paid like ones either. Alexander is making more per year than the rest of the entire secondary (starters and backups) combined, think about that.
 

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for example, the one to Lazard last week was all on him
Actually, if you listened to what Lazard said after the game, it wasn't all on #12. Lazard felt that he possibly gave Rodgers the wrong body language and made him think he was running a deep route.

Details are important and we as fans are not always privy to those details. Much like the couch QB's that dissect plays frame by frame, from the viewpoint of a bird. That is not what the QB is seeing, not is he seeing it frame by frame.
 

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Why do I have a "thing" about Jaire? Easy answer. With his new contract, he became the highest paid CB in the NFL ($21M/year), yet he hasn't played like one.

So unless I read that he has been playing with some kind of injury, I'm going to keep saying he is totally underperforming on his contract. These are exactly the contracts that hurt your team, when they aren't played up to.

If you are looking for JA...you will have to skip to....page 2.


So tell me, why are you happy with JA?
Yes, I get that and you are right that, in my words, he is not a Darrelle Reevis. But we wanted him and we paid him ... well. I'm not going to expect Reevis just because we paid the man though. Glad he's here but see your point. Still, not getting mad at him cause he took the money.
 
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Again, his "really good year", was perceived to be just that, mainly because of his 11 TD's. I liken it to an OLB having a completely out of whack sack total, fans get all excited and think he's the new stud OLB. Nope, just happen to have a lucky season and one not in line of what you should expect.
I think we don't use him because of the O line problems and when we did throw it to him earlier; it was always those putrid little behind the line of scrimmage throws. He is catching the ball really well when they give him a chance.
 
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He’s very quietly having a good year. His 87% FGM is 4th best in his 16 season career. In 2022, He’s ranked Top 12 (Kickers with at least 20 FGA)

PS. Any slightly shorter FGA average distance in yards is largely offset by adverse weather conditions. I’ll submit a perfect 4/4 FGM and 4/4 XPM as recent evidence of kicking in moderate to good conditions @ Miami. As we debated at length earlier, GB is easily one of the top
5-6 toughest environments to Kick, Chicago Soldier being another. That’s 10-11 contests at Windier or colder environments.

The average distance of field goals made this season is at 38.05 yards. Crosby is at 33.9 yards. That's a significant difference in a game of inches.

In addition the myth about Lambeau being that much tougher to kick in had been rebutted when we talked about it this offseason.

I will repeat what I said weeks ago, JA looks off this year. Something just isn't right with the guy. He avoids contact, he misses tackles and his coverage skills have not been elite.

According to PFF Alexander has allowed the eighth lowest passer rating when targeted among cornerbacks with at least 200 coverage snaps this season.

No doubt you bring him back, but not on a very big contract and very few guarantees.

I'm not convinced the Packers will re-sign Tonyan for next season.

If they fix the offensive line, he’s worth it. He’s being wasted right now as a patch for blocking. We fix our OLine , we can use our TEs properly in the red zone.

Tonyan has actually been used as a blocker on a smaller percentage of plays this season than he was in 2020.

Rodgers has been off target a lot this year. You can attribute that also to having young receivers missing routes and assignments, but for example, the one to Lazard last week was all on him.

Lazard took full blame for the interception vs. the Rams last week.

What am I missing? Hasn't Tom played great? I don't think he is giving up any sacks as rookie at Left Tackle.

Tom has actually played pretty well but don't fool yourself, Bakhtiari is a significant upgrade over him at this point in their careers.

My biggest concerns going into next year are #1 - The defensive line. #2 - The offensive line.

While I agree about the defensive line being in need of an upgrade I don't consider the offensive line to be a huge concern, especially after Jenkins was re-signed last week.
 

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He’s very quietly having a good year. His 87% FGM is 4th best in his 16 season career. In 2022, He’s ranked Top 12 (Kickers with at least 20 FGA)

PS. Any slightly shorter FGA average distance in yards is largely offset by adverse weather conditions. I’ll submit a perfect 4/4 FGM and 4/4 XPM as recent evidence of kicking in moderate to good conditions @ Miami. As we debated at length earlier, GB is easily one of the top
5-6 toughest environments to Kick, Chicago Soldier being another. That’s 10-11 contests at Windier or colder environments.
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The average distance of field goals made this season is at 38.05 yards. Crosby is at 33.9 yards. That's a significant difference in a game of inches.

In addition the myth about Lambeau being that much tougher to kick in had been rebutted when we talked about it this offseason.
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The distance from which the average kick is attempted has more to do with the decisions of the coaches, as to whether or not they want to kick longer field goals or not. Also, it can easily point out that the Packers are doing a better job of getting closer to the goal line for their kicks than the average team.

In other words, the statistic doesn't mean jack $*** in reality. It's simply a stat that says how far they are kicking the ball, says nothing about leg strength, accuracy, or even whether or not there is trust in the kicker, on the part of the coaches.

Answer this one question for yourself. How often have you seen the Packers walk away from a FG attempt at 50 to 55 yards, when conditions are good, and they need one. I don't recall this every being the issue with Crosby. His 12 for 17 at over 50 have all come in the last 4 years, so your argument is totally wrong. Sorry.
 

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Actually, if you listened to what Lazard said after the game, it wasn't all on #12. Lazard felt that he possibly gave Rodgers the wrong body language and made him think he was running a deep route.

Details are important and we as fans are not always privy to those details. Much like the couch QB's that dissect plays frame by frame, from the viewpoint of a bird. That is not what the QB is seeing, not is he seeing it frame by frame.
You honestly think he’s going to throw Rodgers under the bus publicly to the media? Cmon.
 
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According to PFF Alexander has allowed the eighth lowest passer rating when targeted among cornerbacks with at least 200 coverage snaps this season.
That doesn't change how I feel about him, especially given his salary. Add to that, if you watch him, unless the pass is to the guy that he is suppose to be covering, he pretty much stays away from the play. His tackling has been tentative, which is why I keep mentioning that I wonder if he is playing with an injury.
 

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Tom has actually played pretty well but don't fool yourself, Bakhtiari is a significant upgrade over him at this point in their careers.
I'm not sure about that. And how is it significant when nobody is sacking Rodgers from that side?
 

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That doesn't change how I feel about him, especially given his salary. Add to that, if you watch him, unless the pass is to the guy that he is suppose to be covering, he pretty much stays away from the play. His tackling has been tentative, which is why I keep mentioning that I wonder if he is playing with an injury.
Even with Ja perhaps not performing as one of the 3 best corners in the game for parts of this season, I have no issue with his contract at all. He’s playing well enough to justify having him.

Like I said, he’s had a few rough moments. But I’d sure as hell rather have him than not. Even at his salary number.
 
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In addition the myth about Lambeau being that much tougher to kick in had been rebutted when we talked about it this offseason.
oh ok. Yeah right. I’ve gotta hear this. Who disproved that cold weather and wind Doesn’t affect the accuracy or distance a football travels?? Now even Mother Nature is being marginalized!
This ought to be a good one! :roflmao:

PS. Tell me you’re not that Captain that drove the Titanic into an iceberg because you said it was barely even Icey :coffee:
 
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Even with Ja perhaps not performing as one of the 3 best corners in the game for parts of this season, I have no issue with his contract at all. He’s playing well enough to justify having him.
He isn't performing like a top 10 CB, so not sure why you chose the number 3? Or did you mean top 3 CB's on the Packers?

Again, I never said JA isn't performing ok, but his average type of performance, along with his lack of hustle on the field is very disappointing and disproportionate to what he is being paid. If his play continues as it has this season, during the remainder of his contract, I will be very disappointed in the contract that the Packers gave him. Further, the Packers will have looked like they way overspent the $21M/year they are paying him to be elite, money they could have used elsewhere to improve the team.
 

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That doesn't change how I feel about him, especially given his salary. Add to that, if you watch him, unless the pass is to the guy that he is suppose to be covering, he pretty much stays away from the play. His tackling has been tentative, which is why I keep mentioning that I wonder if he is playing with an injury.
I actually saw that even back in the 9er playoff game from last year. He delivered quite a hit in the Steeler game of 2021 that took him out. But since he came back it is as if he is gun shy. I could never imagine the great Herb Adderley or Willie Wood ever ducking for cover. They hit people relentlessly their whole career.
 
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The average distance of field goals made this season is at 38.05 yards. Crosby is at 33.9 yards. That's a significant difference in a game of inches.

In addition the myth about Lambeau being that much tougher to kick in had been rebutted when we talked about it this offseason.
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The distance from which the average kick is attempted has more to do with the decisions of the coaches, as to whether or not they want to kick longer field goals or not. Also, it can easily point out that the Packers are doing a better job of getting closer to the goal line for their kicks than the average team.

In other words, the statistic doesn't mean jack $*** in reality. It's simply a stat that says how far they are kicking the ball, says nothing about leg strength, accuracy, or even whether or not there is trust in the kicker, on the part of the coaches.

Answer this one question for yourself. How often have you seen the Packers walk away from a FG attempt at 50 to 55 yards, when conditions are good, and they need one. I don't recall this every being the issue with Crosby. His 12 for 17 at over 50 have all come in the last 4 years, so your argument is totally wrong. Sorry.
I’ll also add that Captain is using “Total FGM. I showed conclusive evidence inside 50 that Mason is superior in making FG. He’s using a stat that’s skewed because Mason has had very few attempts past 50 this season. Even if he hit 1 Kick from 51 yards etc..? it wouldn’t move the average needle but a yard. Had Mason hit just ONE 50+ he’d be 88% kicking and leading the league!!

34 yards average X 20 made is 680 yards. Add a 55 yarder and it’s exactly 35 yards average. You’d need 4 made and about 6-7 attempts area over 50+ to move that needle. From what I saw Mason would not be highly affected moving back 4 yards on those kicks
 
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