Official Denver studs and duds

[Dantés]

Well he was about 5 yards behind both Diggs and Jaire at that point so no worry about a collision.

King got beat at the beginning at ended up trailing behind as Jaire wasnt able to get quite deep enough in time

They both got beat. It's ok. It happens

Small correction-- Jaire did not get beat. That was not his responsibility on that play.

 

[Dantés]

King got beat by Sutton again for a would be touchdown, but Sutton's toe was on the line.

 

[greengold]

Here's a play with about 10:00 to go in Q3 where Sutton had King dead to rights for a TD but Flacco overthrew him. That won't show up in the box score.

Part of my point is: when it goes down this road....?????????

Bias. It just exists where it shouldn't.

“Let’s Rip Jaire Alexander a New A-Hole for Plays That Didn’t Happen,” would make for a great new thread...

“Hey! Remember that time that guy almost caught that touchdown on Jaire? Yeah. He got beat...”

ugh.

 

[RRyder]

Small correction-- Jaire did not get beat. That was not his responsibility on that play.

In fairness it was pretty obvious Jaire had deep zone responsibility on that play and was late getting to it.

It seems I have to keep saying this but I'll do it once again. They both got beat. It's ok. It happens

 

[Dantés]

Sutton smokes King for a huge gainer.

 

[Dantés]

In fairness it was pretty obvious Jaire had deep zone responsibility on that play and was late getting to it.

It seems I have to keep saying this but I'll do it once again. They both got beat. It's ok. It happens

Disagree. That was not single high coverage.

 

[Dantés]

Part of my point is: when it goes down this road....?????????

Bias. It just exists where it shouldn't.

“Let’s Rip Jaire Alexander a New A-Hole for Plays That Didn’t Happen,” would make for a great new thread...

“Hey! Remember that time that guy almost caught that touchdown on Jaire? Yeah. He got beat...”

ugh.

You can shove this "bias" BS right back where it came from.

I have been a defender of King's and have highlighted how well he's played through two weeks.

He was getting beat regularly today. You don't have to like it. If you don't want to read me calling it like I see it, use the ignore button.

 

[GleefulGary]

Part of my point is: when it goes down this road....?????????

Bias. It just exists where it shouldn't.

“Let’s Rip Jaire Alexander a New A-Hole for Plays That Didn’t Happen,” would make for a great new thread...

“Hey! Remember that time that guy almost caught that touchdown on Jaire? Yeah. He got beat...”

ugh.

So lemme get this straight.

If a QB makes a perfect throw to a well-covered WR, that's not the CB's fault, because it was just a great play.

BUT

If the QB makes a crappy throw, or just flat out misses, an open WR, that's also not the CB's fault, because the play didn't happen.

Here's the truth. The QB has nothing to do with whether a CB gets beat or not. If three WR's get open against 3 CB's on the same play, then obviously all 3 CB's got beat. They did a poor job. BUT the QB got sacked, so it didn't matter. Or the QB got a completion, so only one CB got beat instead of all 3? That's the logic you want to go with?

Look, I like Kevin King. I've defended him a lot on this board. I'm a fan of his. He got beat often today, and that's just a fact. Jaire gets beat too. Everybody gets beat. It's okay to point out. But I feel like you're almost trying to say you think King is better than Jaire, and buddy...I hope not, because Jaire is a pure #1 CB, and King just flat out isn't. And the TD to Diggs...Jaire could have prevented it, but it was King who got beat. Jaire could have saved it, but didn't, but Diggs was Kings man, and King got beat. That's a fact.

 

[RRyder]

Disagree. That was not single high coverage.

So you think Jaire saw Diggs beat King at the beginning of his route and then he decided to leave his own responsibility before the ball was thrown in order to try and provide help? Cool story

Alexander himself said he messed up. I love Jaire. It's ok to point out when a player you like messes up. Both he and King got beat on a play. It really is ok

 

[Dantés]

King had an excellent tackle of their RB on 3rd and five to force the punt.

 

[Dantés]

So you think Jaire saw Diggs beat King at the beginning of his route and then he decided to leave his own responsibility before the ball was thrown in order to try and provide help? Cool story

Alexander himself said he messed up. I love Jaire. It's ok to point out when a player you like messes up. Both he and King got beat on a play. It really is ok

Yes. No one entered his zone and he read Cousin's eyes.

 

[greengold]

You can shove this "bias" BS right back where it came from.

I have been a defender of King's and have highlighted how well he's played through two weeks.

He was getting beat regularly today. You don't have to like it. If you don't want to read me calling it like I see it, use the ignore button.

Dude, I consider you very centered.

Bias is simply a characteristic of many of the posts I’ve seen written on King. I wasn’t calling YOU out specifically. It was my premise stated earlier.

It’s that touchy of a subject.

Holy S. Whatever. I reviewed all of his plays earlier in the thread for my reasons stated.

 

[rmontro]

They said on Sportscenter that Denver is the first team since 1969 to have no sacks or turnovers in their first three games. Wow, that defense that won them a Super Bowl a few years back sure dried up quick.

 

[RRyder]

Yes. No one entered his zone and he read Cousin's eyes.

Ok. I completely disagree with your assessment. To me it looked more like a bracket zone that Jaire sat down in and when he realized King was beat couldn't get back quick enough.

(Also if Jaire is leaving his zone that long before the ball is thrown then that's some TBuck level of free lancing)

It's not really worth arguing about in any place imo. To me 2 CBs got beat by a pro bowl WR on a play. To you only one did. We can disagree all day on what the zone coverage was and who's responsibility was what. In any case I dont think either is a capital offense

 

[longtimefan]

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[rodell330]

Dude it's the third week. I agree that the offense needs work, but plenty of time for the offense to come around. Just because we aren't blowing our opponents out like we used to doesn't mean it won't get there. We're definitely starting to become a more balanced team and I think that is what is going to help us get our next Lombardi. I'm certain by November you'll see the offense come into its own and hell possibly next week at the earliest.

Have a cookie friend! We won! Rejoice!

I eat plenty of cookies -_- lets get that straight. But in all seriousness even if the play calling is “good” you still need talent period. Another threat at WR or even a Tightend who stressed the defense would help tremendously. I don’t see the Packers scoring more than 30 pts at anytime this season with what they have. Fingers crossed the defense stays healthy because they are the ONLY reason we’re 3-0.

 

[Ceodore]

Happy for the win but the offense is still underwhelming, needing a free play and short field position for TDs. RBs look good though. Great job by defense for the takeaways, but they were NOT very stout at stopping them from moving the ball. Bad missed tackles. Letting their RB score after stuffing him on that 4th down was inexcusable.

Jimmy Graham, wtf.

 

[greengold]

I eat plenty of cookies -_- lets get that straight. But in all seriousness even if the play calling is “good” you still need talent period. Another threat at WR or even a Tightend who stressed the defense would help tremendously. I don’t see the Packers scoring more than 30 pts at anytime this season with what they have. Fingers crossed the defense stays healthy because they are the ONLY reason we’re 3-0.

rodell, I do believe that was going to be the case entering into this 2019 season. The D carrying the O through the first 4-6 weeks.

Looks like our D has done a remarkable job of that through these first 3 games.

DEN does have players, and I wonder if we don’t wind up offering a trade deal with them in the next 4 weeks for Emmanuel Sanders?

 

[Dantés]

Ok. I completely disagree with your assessment. To me it looked more like a bracket zone that Jaire sat down in and when he realized King was beat couldn't get back quick enough.

(Also if Jaire is leaving his zone that long before the ball is thrown then that's some TBuck level of free lancing)

It's not really worth arguing about in any place imo. To me 2 CBs got beat by a pro bowl WR on a play. To you only one did. We can disagree all day on what the zone coverage was and who's responsibility was what. In any case I dont think either is a capital offense

I'm happy to agree to disagree. I will explain what I see on that play and you can decide once and for all if you think I'm full of it.

This play looks like a pretty clear cover 3 call with a blitz. King, Savage, and Alexander all have deep responsibility in thirds. King's responsibility is the near third, Savage's is center field, and Alexander's is the far third.

In defense of King, the Vikings called a perfect cover 3 beater. A shallow crosser sucks up LB attention, which means that Thielen's deep cross pulls Savage towards the LOS and away from his deep zone responsibility. Diggs then runs a skinny post towards that center third that was vacated by Savage.

The play is designed to create a one on one matchup by drawing off the safety help, and it put King on an island. Without Savage over the top, he needed to stick with Diggs. And because he wasn't properly set at the snap, Diggs blew by him and had a full step or more as they neared the end zone.

If I'm correct, Alexander's responsibility was a part of the field that the Vikings did not involve in the play. You see him at the snap dropping towards the deep third to the far side. But as he reads Cousins and processes that the other two routes are crossers away from his coverage, he takes off to try to beat Diggs to the catch point. You can see on review that when he takes off for the endzone, it's already clear that no receivers are running routes to his zone. I would call that savvy, not irresponsible.

He is successful, but tries to get the pick rather than knock the ball down. So you can knock him for being greedy. But by my assessment, it wasn't his job to be there in the first place. He was ranging out of his zone to bail out a teammate, and he almost pulled it off. So I put that play squarely on King for not being ready and thus getting toasted by Diggs, while not being too harsh because a perfect offensive play call exacerbated his mistake.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Studs:

Preston Smith
Za'darius Smith
Jaire Alexander
Jamal Williams
MVS
JK Scott
Mike Pettine

Duds:
Kevin King
Jimmy Graham
Geronimo Allison
Offense in general


Mason Crosby did miss one field goal, but he also made two and was perfect on extra points. factor in the rain/ wet field, and the lone miss was forgivable.

Two special teams gaffes; Allowing a big return early on, and Tony Brown running into a returner after a fair catch. Something to work on.


The offense continues to sputter....I expect this will get better, but after three weeks it's apparent there is still work to be done. The defense had three takeaways Sunday, eight now in three games. That is flat out incredible.

Two firsts for a couple of rookies: Rashan Gary got his first sack (and also a fumble recovery). Darnell Savage gets his first pick, although the referees botched the call initially and cost him fifteen yards of return. Oh well.


Short week, Philly coming to town. Another test for the young coach.

Go Pack Go!

 

[Mondio]

When I first saw it, I was wondering wtf T.Brown was doing? Upon replay it wasn't so bad and could easily have been called being blocked into him.

The only mistake I think he made was not coming in under more control, he though he'd just run past him but then the punt brought the returner over a step or 2 and the blocker just gave him a little shove and that was all it took.

Had he been coming in under more control that shouldn't have happened.

 

[Dantés]

Studs:

• Brian Gutekunst: So many of the key cogs of this defense are Gutekunst acquisitions: Both Smiths, Alexander, Savage, Amos. He just hit every note this offseason on that side of the ball.
• Jamaal Williams: Williams isn't half as talented as Jones, but he runs with a lot of passion and it was fun to see him be successful today.
• Preston Smith: Lots of pass rushers could warrant praise here, but Preston in particular has been super impressive. I noted in the offseason that his athletic profile could mean more upside that what he showed in Washington. I think we're seeing that.
• Jaire Alexander: This guy is so stinking good... he completely took Emmanuel Sanders out of the game.

Duds:

• Aaron Rodgers: While there were instances that you can easily place on the receivers (Allison drop, Tonyan not running all the way through the route), Rodgers just had a lot of misses yesterday. Some of them were egregious.
• Kevin King: He was getting worked over by Courtland Sutton pretty good all afternoon.
• The Void Next to Blake: With Burks, Greene, and Campbell all out, it's pretty much a bottom barrell situation in the middle of the field, and the Broncos really feasted.
• Run Blocking: The wide zone is not clicking yet. I didn't do a deep dive on the running plays, but Marcedes Lewis was the culprit in one notable negative run.
• Officials: Dalton Risner was guilty of the most blatant instance I've ever seen of pulling a running into the endzone and they let the TD stand.

Overall, the defense was fine but not as impressive as it's been. They allowed a lot of conversions to the Broncos. They need to get help back or go find help for the middle of the field. And King needs to settle down a little bit.

The offense is still marinating. I personally set October as the point when I would expect that they should have clicked. It's great that they've gone undefeated while figuring it all out.

 

[PackAttack12]

Studs:

• Brian Gutekunst: So many of the key cogs of this defense are Gutekunst acquisitions: Both Smiths, Alexander, Savage, Amos. He just hit every note this offseason on that side of the ball.

This cannot be emphasized enough. The defensive overhaul that he's been able to make in just two offseasons is extremely impressive, and to your point, acquired 4 starters just this offseason alone.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Stud:

Smiths
Savage
Gary
Jamaal
Scott
O-line
Jaire

Dud:

Aaron Rodgers (step into a throw for God's sake)
Offensive playcalling and approach
King

Semi-dud:

MVS-I know he caught the long TD, but im starting to think this guy is just a deep threat. Any contact at all and he's dropping the ball. He has to toughen up.

 

[swhitset]

When I first saw it, I was wondering wtf T.Brown was doing? Upon replay it wasn't so bad and could easily have been called being blocked into him.

The only mistake I think he made was not coming in under more control, he though he'd just run past him but then the punt brought the returner over a step or 2 and the blocker just gave him a little shove and that was all it took.

Had he been coming in under more control that shouldn't have happened.

I agree with this assessment, however I am worried about Brown’s ability to control himself. Going back to last year... he had a couple of late hits that shouldn’t have happened... He seems to have a lot of talent, but wrecklessness may be his nemesis.