Duds and studs bears week 1

[bigbubbatd]

On a serious note, I only saw the highlights but I cannot watch Rodgers anymore without screaming at the TV. Why does he always HAVE to try the long ball ???

This take is getting really old. Because the long ball to MVS lead to our td. The long ball to Graham got a pass interference call that flipped the field. If you only throw short you end up looking like the bears. Rodgers threw some deep but threw underneath a lot.

For the "he holds the ball too long" crowd. There were a couple plays I could agree with that but there were also times when he extends plays and makes something out of nothing - the shovel pass, there was one down the sidelong the Lewis couldn't grab but was a great back should throw.

Quick short passes are nice when the defense gives that to you but look where that offense got the Bears. The Packers played tight coverage all night and gave the little stuff. You need to do both and the Packers tried that tonight.

Rodgers wasn't a stud tonight but people are going to keep saying he throws deep too much and holds the ball too long but that really wasn't the case much at all last night. Not all sacks can be avoided by throwing right away and an offense can't succeed with just short passes against a good, fast d
Rant over

Studs
FA pick ups on d. The Smiths were great so was Amos which leads to two other studs
Pressure without blitzing. It has felt like forever since we could do that
Safeties in the right place. Feels like forever since I have said that or at least since haha started playing
Young dbs. Man these kids could be good. There will be growing pains this year but tonight was fun
Scott. Nothing needs to be said

Duds
Oline was not very good but one of the holding calls against Bahk was awful

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Stud:

Alexander
Savage
Clark
Amos
Entire D
MVS
Davis
Can't believe I'm saying this but Graham
Mitch Trubisky. He is very bad.
Scott

Dud:

Lane Taylor

Bashing your head into the Bears' front 7 all game and THEN throwing on 2nd and 5 with a chance to run out the clock and THEN running on 3rd and 5 when Aaron Rodgers is your QB. That was bizarre.

Edit: Martinez was a stud too. His play has become so consistently stellar that he is often easy to overlook but he had a very solid game.

 

[Quientus]

I have to see the game again, but there were 2 times (when Rodgers got sacked, where Rodgers was looking down field, but had an open man on a crossing route right in front of him for a possible gain ...)

 

[Dantés]

Stud: Gutekunst

His big FA acquisitions, Smith, Smith, and Amos, came up huge here in week one. His first rounder, Savage, was great right away, and Gary came in late and flashed a bit. It seems so far that he hit the right notes this off-season.

 

[Pkrjones]

Guys an interesting thought I saw in one of the comments on Facebook regarding Matt Lafleur's challenge. Granted it wasn't a good challenge, but one theorized that he challenged that to allow the defense to catch their breath. It may be a stretch but I thought it was interesting.

I didn't think that was a smart challenge at the time, but it put the spotlight on Gabriel a few plays later... NEVER would have gotten the offensive push-off call (3rd & 10 vs. a 1st down) on the Bear's 2nd last drive.

LaFleur working the refs... like to see that.

 

[Do7]

I didn't think that was a smart challenge at the time, but it put the spotlight on Gabriel a few plays later... NEVER would have gotten the offensive push-off call (3rd & 10 vs. a 1st down on the Bear's 2nd last drive).

LaFleur working the refs... like to see that.

Looks like there's method to his madness.

 

[Poppa San]

Rodgers (he needs to start taking what the defense gives him and not always looking for the long completion, and holding on to the ball for too long ...)

Question from the back. What if the Bears DB's, trusting their front 7 and the rush, are sitting on all the short routes? And giving some on the longer ones. Wouldn't that be taking what you are given? I think anyway that an early Holmgren era **** and dunk offense would be the perfect answer to the Bears pass rush.

 

[Quientus]

Question from the back. What if the Bears DB's, trusting their front 7 and the rush, are sitting on all the short routes? And giving some on the longer ones. Wouldn't that be taking what you are given? I think anyway that an early Holmgren era **** and dunk offense would be the perfect answer to the Bears pass rush.

The Bears defense played well yesterday night and gave the Packers offense some fits, however, as you said, I agree that a little "**** and dunk" would have been more effective vs. the Bears. This isn't something Rodgers is used to, but it seems to me that we might see alot more of it with Lafleur's offense, because its predicated on speed, which isn't an offense style the Packers have played in the past seasons, and as such, the offense needs to get used to it ...

Having said that ... if it was time the offense needed, then perhaps the first stringers - including Rodgers - should have played more together during the pre season ... ?

 

[Do7]

Studs:
- Defense
- Double A (talk about "karma" for the Bears !)

Semi stud:
- Rodgers on 3-4 plays ...
I think there were 3-4 plays were Rodgers actually threw into coverage (the JG TD was into double coverage ...) trusting the receiver to make a play ... - which is seldom seen from him except when it comes to a select few (in the other past seasons ...)
Also at the end of the 3rd quarter where the pocket breaks and he rolls out to his right ... Rodgers makes a throw that reminded me of Favre (across his body to his left) and threw it up field ... - again into coverage and it could as easily have been intercepted ... however ... - that isn't something we've seen alot from Rodgers ... usually Rodgers would have thrown this one away ... instead he gave the receiver a chance ... - I like that !

Duds:
- Offense
- Rodgers (he needs to start taking what the defense gives him and not always looking for the long completion, and holding on to the ball for too long ...)

Semi duds:
- O-line ... however, when your qb keeps holding on to the ball against a defense as the Bears ... it makes the job even harder ...

Why Quientus that almost sounds like a compliment! Looks there's hope for you yet my arch nemesis. But I agree with you in regards to Rodgers needing to take what the opposing defenses gives them, especially considering we're going to be facing 3 other tough defenses.

 

[El Guapo]

I don’t think the 2nd & 5 call by LaFluer was bad. Even
Collinsworth stated that the Bears and everyone expected a running play. The ball would have been caught for a first down. Rodgers had yet another bad throw. At that point, I think that LaFluer trusted his D against Trubisky whether they had one timeout or none. It was a gamble but would have slammed the door shut. I had zero problem with it. We hired LaFluer to inject a fresh note into our offense.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

A win is a win. While sloppy football on both sides, this win will have bigger implications down the road. Very happy

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

This take is getting really old. Because the long ball to MVS lead to our td. The long ball to Graham got a pass interference call that flipped the field. If you only throw short you end up looking like the bears. Rodgers threw some deep but threw underneath a lot.

For the "he holds the ball too long" crowd. There were a couple plays I could agree with that but there were also times when he extends plays and makes something out of nothing - the shovel pass, there was one down the sidelong the Lewis couldn't grab but was a great back should throw.

Quick short passes are nice when the defense gives that to you but look where that offense got the Bears. The Packers played tight coverage all night and gave the little stuff. You need to do both and the Packers tried that tonight.

Rodgers wasn't a stud tonight but people are going to keep saying he throws deep too much and holds the ball too long but that really wasn't the case much at all last night. Not all sacks can be avoided by throwing right away and an offense can't succeed with just short passes against a good, fast d
Rant over

Studs
FA pick ups on d. The Smiths were great so was Amos which leads to two other studs
Pressure without blitzing. It has felt like forever since we could do that
Safeties in the right place. Feels like forever since I have said that or at least since haha started playing
Young dbs. Man these kids could be good. There will be growing pains this year but tonight was fun
Scott. Nothing needs to be said

Duds
Oline was not very good but one of the holding calls against Bahk was awful

Opinions are like as"%$*!s......we all have one

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

This take is getting really old. Because the long ball to MVS lead to our td. The long ball to Graham got a pass interference call that flipped the field. If you only throw short you end up looking like the bears. Rodgers threw some deep but threw underneath a lot.

For the "he holds the ball too long" crowd. There were a couple plays I could agree with that but there were also times when he extends plays and makes something out of nothing - the shovel pass, there was one down the sidelong the Lewis couldn't grab but was a great back should throw.

Quick short passes are nice when the defense gives that to you but look where that offense got the Bears. The Packers played tight coverage all night and gave the little stuff. You need to do both and the Packers tried that tonight.

Rodgers wasn't a stud tonight but people are going to keep saying he throws deep too much and holds the ball too long but that really wasn't the case much at all last night. Not all sacks can be avoided by throwing right away and an offense can't succeed with just short passes against a good, fast d
Rant over

Studs
FA pick ups on d. The Smiths were great so was Amos which leads to two other studs
Pressure without blitzing. It has felt like forever since we could do that
Safeties in the right place. Feels like forever since I have said that or at least since haha started playing
Young dbs. Man these kids could be good. There will be growing pains this year but tonight was fun
Scott. Nothing needs to be said

Duds
Oline was not very good but one of the holding calls against Bahk was awful

Agree with most, and I don't think the offense needs just short passes, but I only saw a few crossing routes in the 15 to 20 yard range it seemed like. MM got knocked for that last year and it's something I think LaFleur should draw up more in his scheme.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Studs: Adrian Amos, and the two Smiths

Jimmy Graham for scoring a TD

Duds: the whole OL and awful offense in general. MVS invisible and Gute is awful at WR finding.

The win was good but this team is nowhere near good enough to make the playoffs and win the Superbowl. Offense needs to get back to 2011 form for that to happen.

MVS made the biggest offensive play of the entire game...

 

[bigbubbatd]

Agree with most, and I don't think the offense needs just short passes, but I only saw a few crossing routes in the 15 to 20 yard range it seemed like. MM got knocked for that last year and it's something I think LaFleur should draw up more in his scheme.

The mid range passing game won us a super bowl. I agree we need more of that

 

[bigbubbatd]

Opinions are like as£^$£*s......we all have one

Sure we do but do you really not wanting him to throw it deep at all? They didn't do it much last night and it was actually fairly effective a few time. You said you didn't watch the game so maybe you thought they did it a ton. They did not.

One time it was clear Rodgers thought they got a guy to jump so he took a shot. Problem was he was wrong and the guy got back onside.

 

[Poppa San]

One time it was clear Rodgers thought they got a guy to jump so he took a shot. Problem was he was wrong and the guy got back onside.

I saw that also. Linsley reacted slowly, maybe looking the other way at the time?

 

[PackAttack12]

This take is getting really old. Because the long ball to MVS lead to our td. The long ball to Graham got a pass interference call that flipped the field. If you only throw short you end up looking like the bears. Rodgers threw some deep but threw underneath a lot.

For the "he holds the ball too long" crowd. There were a couple plays I could agree with that but there were also times when he extends plays and makes something out of nothing - the shovel pass, there was one down the sidelong the Lewis couldn't grab but was a great back should throw.

Quick short passes are nice when the defense gives that to you but look where that offense got the Bears. The Packers played tight coverage all night and gave the little stuff. You need to do both and the Packers tried that tonight.

Rodgers wasn't a stud tonight but people are going to keep saying he throws deep too much and holds the ball too long but that really wasn't the case much at all last night. Not all sacks can be avoided by throwing right away and an offense can't succeed with just short passes against a good, fast d
Rant over

There were a couple of instances where I wish Rodgers would've gotten the ball out quicker or at least thrown it away to avoid getting pummeled again by Chicago's front. But the vast majority of this post is absolutely spot on.

As @HardRightEdge has correctly pointed out in the past, expecting Rodgers to completely veer away from who he's been his entire career is just completely unrealistic. Sometimes, you're going to see an awful sack or awkward throw away. Other times, you're going to be rewarded with a game changing play.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I saw that also. Linsley reacted slowly, maybe looking the other way at the time?

Yeah it was a really weird play. Thankfully he didn't throw a jump ball that could have been picked off

 

[sschind]

the refs- wtf was that game? They had a clear agenda and really wanted the Bears to win.

Please don't start with this. IMO it cheapens everything a person says when they throw this in there. The Bears had 10 penalties for 107 yards we had 10 for 71. I'm sure some Bears fans are saying the same thing about the refs wanting the Packers to win and they would probably be just as accurate.

On the Clark defensive holding call I was shaking my head a bit and again when we were called for offensive holding where the defender simply pushed our guy over backwards and tripped over him as he ran past (I think Rodgers was sacked so the penalty was declined) but after that it was pretty much even.

The challenged non call will never get called and they got the next one right a few plays later. Even with the two plays I mentioned that had me wondering I didn't see any calls missed or made that were out of line. There were too many to be sure but nothing that would indicate an agenda to me. All the holding calls to me indicates good defense by both sides.

 

[sschind]

I didn't think that was a smart challenge at the time, but it put the spotlight on Gabriel a few plays later... NEVER would have gotten the offensive push-off call (3rd & 10 vs. a 1st down) on the Bear's 2nd last drive.

LaFleur working the refs... like to see that.

I wouldn't say never. Even Collinsworth said putting 2 hands on a guys back will get the call. It was pretty obvious that the contact kept the defender from getting into position. At the very least MLF would have likely won that challenge. The downside is they wouldn't have had one left to challenge the obvious out of bounds catch later.

I agreed with the non call. If the refs are going to make that call its going to happen 10 times a game.

 

[greengold]

Question from the back. What if the Bears DB's, trusting their front 7 and the rush, are sitting on all the short routes? And giving some on the longer ones. Wouldn't that be taking what you are given? I think anyway that an early Holmgren era **** and dunk offense would be the perfect answer to the Bears pass rush.

No kidding poppa San.

Personally, I was hoping the Packers had more quick timing slants & curls dialed in for Aaron. Didn’t see it. He was hanging onto the ball way too long.

I was happy, however, with LaFleur’s having the balls to stick with the run, whether he got a cloud of dust or 8 yds. That, to me, showed he will protect Aaron with scheme. Thinking we will see a lot more dedicated rushing from our RBs this year. Blocking must improve.

 

[AmishMafia]

Please don't start with this. IMO it cheapens everything a person says when they throw this in there. The Bears had 10 penalties for 107 yards we had 10 for 71. I'm sure some Bears fans are saying the same thing about the refs wanting the Packers to win and they would probably be just as accurate.

On the Clark defensive holding call I was shaking my head a bit and again when we were called for offensive holding where the defender simply pushed our guy over backwards and tripped over him as he ran past (I think Rodgers was sacked so the penalty was declined) but after that it was pretty much even.

The challenged non call will never get called and they got the next one right a few plays later. Even with the two plays I mentioned that had me wondering I didn't see any calls missed or made that were out of line. There were too many to be sure but nothing that would indicate an agenda to me. All the holding calls to me indicates good defense by both sides.

People expect perfect games by the refs. I think they did a below average job, but it was even handed. And that is most important.

I have to see the game again, but there were 2 times (when Rodgers got sacked, where Rodgers was looking down field, but had an open man on a crossing route right in front of him for a possible gain ...)

That is fair, i saw the same thing.

But more than that, he once was great at 'throwing open a WR. He doesnt seem to do that anymore. He should be throwing the ball when the DB isnt looking and a moment before the WR makes his break. Its impossible to defend and requires familiarity with WRs and trust in his arm. Sadly i think it may be his arm that is letting him down.

I thought the pass to MVS was a bad throw by AR as well. MVS had to slow and deflect his route. Had AR hit him in stride it would have been a TD. It required a really great throw, but one that we were accustomed to AR making.


One more uber STUD:
Shawn Mennenga (ST coach) and the whole ST units. Its been a long time of cringing every punt or kick off. Looks like we are on the right track.

 

[Quientus]

Oh I forgot ...

Studs:
M. Trubisky for not exploiting this ...

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[El Guapo]

That still needs to be a sticky somewhere. It's almost Jay Cutler-esque because it was capped off with an INT to boot.