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It was reported the Packers saved 2 million for this season. They save all of his future cap hits but could've probably saved those future cap hits by cutting or trading him after the season. They basically got next to nothing for him. That's why the trade is so hard to figure out. Perhaps they just think he's hit the wall and can't do much?
 

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I agree that saving money this year had little to do with it. I don't think a 7th rounder had much to do with it either. I am looking forward to seeing the new look on the D line. I hope I'm not disappointed.
 

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I agree that saving money this year had little to do with it. I don't think a 7th rounder had much to do with it either. I am looking forward to seeing the new look on the D line. I hope I'm not disappointed.
We don't all the reasons for the fire sale of Smith. Maybe he was voicing displeasure at Hafley's defense? Since the production of the entire D Line compared to last season has declined remarkably, some push back could be starting to percolate? I'm not saying that's true but there are probably some reasons that the fans don't know that contributed towards the fire sale.
 

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You're right about how LVN is getting handled by competent tackles. It's why I think he needs to be moved inside. I just don't see him radically changing his athleticism. He has good speed and strength but it doesn't translate into winning his match ups.
Yeah if his career is going to be salvaged it may be by adding some weight and moving inside. He is much better off going in one direction rather than trying to bull rush a tackle when he has no flexibility in hips. He hasn't even shown glimmers of what I think was expected when he was drafted.
 

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I am looking forward to seeing the new look on the D line. I hope I'm not disappointed.
I wouldn't hold your breath on a "new look". As I posted elsewhere, Smith has been rotating in and out all season, with the number of his snaps slowly declining. Against the Lions, he was only in for 21 defensive snaps or 37% of the plays. Opening game, 54 snaps, 71%.
 

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I wouldn't hold your breath on a "new look". As I posted elsewhere, Smith has been rotating in and out all season, with the number of his snaps slowly declining. Against the Lions, he was only in for 21 defensive snaps or 37% of the plays. Opening game, 54 snaps, 71%.
By "a new look" I only meant we are going to see different players more often. But it will affect pass rush and holding down the run. Either for the good or it won't change much. imho
 

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Smith asked to be traded. Explains the low return.

Thanks for posting the interesting article. Goes to show that Smith must have been well respected and had a good relationship with Gute. He asked to be traded and Gute obliged his wishes. I think the mutual respect in this story is the type of action that pays dividends to the Packers because it's seen as a player friendly organization. It would seem to work in the Packers favor in signing free agents if pay is competitive.
 

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I wouldn't give on LVN yet but he's not an edge rusher. Maybe he can add some weight and move inside. Right now he's a tweener. Too stiff to play on the edge but too small to play a DE position over a guard or tackle.
LVN is 6'-5", 272 lbs. "Average" 4-3 DE's are 6'-4", 265-285. That would make LVN prototypical in size (Rashan Gary is 6'-5", 277 lbs). LVN was only 21 when drafted, had a RAS score of 9.39, and was nicknamed "Hercules" for his strength/power. What part of that sceams tweener for a DE? Sounds, to me, like an ideal mid-1st round pick. I haven't been disappointed & he's only going to get better as he's also described as a "student of the game" by Gary.
 

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Not sure if this was posted elsewhere. But THIS is why the should have sat Love on Sunday!

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Not sure if this was posted elsewhere. But THIS is why the should have sat Love on Sunday!

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I'm thinking that's a click-bait story. I'm not finding any info on this. He hurt his MCL in week 1, so possibky a re-aggravation if true?
 

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LVN is 6'-5", 272 lbs. "Average" 4-3 DE's are 6'-4", 265-285. That would make LVN prototypical in size (Rashan Gary is 6'-5", 277 lbs). LVN was only 21 when drafted, had a RAS score of 9.39, and was nicknamed "Hercules" for his strength/power. What part of that sceams tweener for a DE? Sounds, to me, like an ideal mid-1st round pick. I haven't been disappointed & he's only going to get better as he's also described as a "student of the game" by Gary.
LVN has 1 sack this season in 9 games. That sack came when the qb was flushed into his arms. He's also had very few tackles or TFL's. He's had nearly zero impact this season. While technically a DE, he's rushing the passer mostly on the outside of the tackle similar to an OLB edge rusher in a 3-4. He's not well suited for that role. I think he may have more success rushing on the inside where he might have more success using his strength for a bull rush and not be as inclined to bend around the edge. At this point his RAS score seems irrelevant because he's nearly invisible out there.
 

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Stat comparison of Gary & LVN's first 2 years:
Gary - Games played 31, 32 solo tackles, 7 sacks.
LVN - Games played 26, 38 solo tackles, 5 sacks.

Not saying they're the same type player, but to bag on LVN for a lack of results doesn't add up to me. If Enagbare, Cox or Mosby offer more pass rush then Hafley needs to platoon that position with LVN in on run downs & others on obvious pass downs.
 

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1 Sack in 9 games just doesn't cut it in his second season. Compared to the other pass rushers taken in the first round, LVN is dead last in pass rush production after 26 games. He's certainly going to get more snaps now but its not like getting hasn't had his opportunities. He's just not making any plays. What has he shown so far that makes one think he'll break out and start to be an impact player? I hope I'm wrong but he's worse now than he was at the start of his rookie season.
 

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