2024 Roster Status/Tracker

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Another ex Packer that makes sense at the right price would be to acquire Zadarius Smith from the Clowns. He can still rush the passer. He has 4 sacks in 7 games playing about half of the snaps mostly on passing downs. He would lead the Packers with those 4 sacks. Pass rush is the biggest weakness on the Packers. Getting another pass rusher makes some sense if the cost isn't too high. Clooney is a similar player that could be creatively used in passing situations. It's getting more clear with each passing week that Preston Smith isn't the pass rusher he once was and LVN is too stiff to rush the passer from the edge.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Another ex Packer that makes sense at the right price would be to acquire Zadarius Smith from the Clowns. He can still rush the passer. He has 4 sacks in 7 games playing about half of the snaps mostly on passing downs. He would lead the Packers with those 4 sacks. Pass rush is the biggest weakness on the Packers. Getting another pass rusher makes some sense if the cost isn't too high. Clooney is a similar player that could be creatively used in passing situations. It's getting more clear with each passing week that Preston Smith isn't the pass rusher he once was and LVN is too stiff to rush the passer from the edge.

I'm surprised that the pass rush isn't better, especially from the front four.

As for the other guys involved, you point out two good reasons - P Smith's age and LVN's inability to bend at the hips and get around the T. I notice that the T has no problem pushing LVN past the QB and out of the play.

As for Z, I'd love it if he came back, at the right price. 4 sacks in 7 games is good, especially playing for Cleveland.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I never could tell the difference between the Klingons and the Romuluns (they all had bad prostheses, make up). Hmm, I don't know if Romuluns were in the show. It sounds right.

Vulcans prioritize logic and emotional control, Romulans embody secrecy and cunning with a focus on strategy, and Klingons celebrate honor and strength.

A Romulan would shoot you. A Klingon would allow you the chance to be shot with honor. A Vulcan would explain to you why it was necessary for you to be shot.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Another ex Packer that makes sense at the right price would be to acquire Zadarius Smith from the Clowns. He can still rush the passer. He has 4 sacks in 7 games playing about half of the snaps mostly on passing downs. He would lead the Packers with those 4 sacks. Pass rush is the biggest weakness on the Packers. Getting another pass rusher makes some sense if the cost isn't too high. Clooney is a similar player that could be creatively used in passing situations. It's getting more clear with each passing week that Preston Smith isn't the pass rusher he once was and LVN is too stiff to rush the passer from the edge.

Pass on Z. I think he burned his bridge back to Green Bay with his comments after he signed with the Vikings.

I will say it again. Those thinking a good pass rush is measured purely in sacks, need to expand their logic. Now I would agree that Gary and LVN need to improve on something, but for me it is their inability to consistently hold the edge against the run. They both seem way too focused on making that big sack.

Contain the edge, pressure the QB quickly and if a sack results from all that, awesome.

 

[Poppa San]

I never could tell the difference between the Klingons and the Romuluns (they all had bad prostheses, make up). Hmm, I don't know if Romuluns were in the show. It sounds right.

Romulans had the pointy eaars and raised eyebrows like the Vulcans. The females were typically quite attractive.

. Now I would agree that Gary and LVN need to improve on something, but for me it is their inability to consistently hold the edge against the run.

Watch Gary on Trevor's TD run for e good example of this.

 

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Gary embarrassed himself on that TD run. What an Albatros of a big contract for the Packers. He's making nearly 25 million per year and playing like a 5th round draft choice.

 

[tynimiller]

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Gary embarrassed himself on that TD run. What an Albatros of a big contract for the Packers. He's making nearly 25 million per year and playing like a 5th round draft choice.

He isn’t stacking sacks like folks want and overall for sure isn’t where he wants to be but he has the 35th most pressures in the league which is only a slot or two back from Micah Parsons and actually better than TJ Watt who has more pass snaps played then even Gary.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Romulans had the pointy eaars and raised eyebrows like the Vulcans. The females were typically quite attractive.

Watch Gary on Trevor's TD run for e good example of this.

Romulans - thx for correcting my spelling. Now I remember. Yeah the Klingons were all pretty ugly as I recall.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Vulcans prioritize logic and emotional control, Romulans embody secrecy and cunning with a focus on strategy, and Klingons celebrate honor and strength.

A Romulan would shoot you. A Klingon would allow you the chance to be shot with honor. A Vulcan would explain to you why it was necessary for you to be shot.

That's a very good explanation and brings back some good memories watching all those Star Trek shows.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Romulans had the pointy eaars and raised eyebrows like the Vulcans. The females were typically quite attractive.

Watch Gary on Trevor's TD run for e good example of this.

In the games against the Eagles and Colts, Gary and LVN and the Edge guys were focused on containing the QB, so sacks and pressures weren't as important.

But these guys have to walk and chew gum. The best can adjust to either a pass or a run or bootleg to the outside. LVN gets pushed too far and is taken out of the play. I don't know what is up with Gary. TL should not be running for big yards or a TD.

 

[tynimiller]

That's a very good explanation and brings back some good memories watching all those Star Trek shows.

And a ferengi would con you out of $20 in order to be shot...

 

[Heyjoe4]

Pass on Z. I think he burned his bridge back to Green Bay with his comments after he signed with the Vikings.

I will say it again. Those thinking a good pass rush is measured purely in sacks, need to expand their logic. Now I would agree that Gary and LVN need to improve on something, but for me it is their inability to consistently hold the edge against the run. They both seem way too focused on making that big sack.

Contain the edge, pressure the QB quickly and if a sack results from all that, awesome.

Good point on Z. He did burn his bridge back to GB, and beside that, he just doesn't fit with the youth movement in GB. On that topic, this should be P Smith's last year. He was a great addition, but age catches us all.

I've been disappointed in LVN. He plays too stiff and is manipulated too easily by the tackle. Not sure what is up with Gary. Maybe he is too focused on the sack.

And yeah, consistent pressures are more important than sacks. A sack is like a HR, nice when it happens but pretty rare. But in the draft, and again when evaluating players in the NFL, sacks play an outsize role, imo.

 

[Heyjoe4]

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He isn’t stacking sacks like folks want and overall for sure isn’t where he wants to be but he has the 35th most pressures in the league which is only a slot or two back from Micah Parsons and actually better than TJ Watt who has more pass snaps played then even Gary.

Everything is relative. Gary is not having his best year but I'm still glad he's on our side. And as Poker noted, pressures are a better measure of an Edge player's disruption of the QB than sacks alone.

 

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Good point on Z. He did burn his bridge back to GB, and beside that, he just doesn't fit with the youth movement in GB. On that topic, this should be P Smith's last year. He was a great addition, but age catches us all.

I've been disappointed in LVN. He plays too stiff and is manipulated too easily by the tackle. Not sure what is up with Gary. Maybe he is too focused on the sack.

And yeah, consistent pressures are more important than sacks. A sack is like a HR, nice when it happens but pretty rare. But in the draft, and again when evaluating players in the NFL, sacks play an outsize role, imo.

Sacks stop drives at a much higher rate than "pressures" or hits. With a mobile qb, pressures very often result in giving up a first down when he breaks contain and scrambles for 10 to 15 yards. As I have posted in the past, instead of hits or "pressures", pass rushers should be credited with a forced incompletion if their rush creates an inaccurate throw. It shouldn't be too difficult. Every incompletion is the result of 4 causes. 1 a dropped pass, 2. A poor throw 3. A pass breakup by a DB, 4 a forced incompletion by the pass rush.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Sacks stop drives at a much higher rate than "pressures" or hits. With a mobile qb, pressures very often result in giving up a first down when he breaks contain and scrambles for 10 to 15 yards. As I have posted in the past, instead of hits or "pressures", pass rushers should be credited with a forced incompletion if their rush creates an inaccurate throw. It shouldn't be too difficult. Every incompletion is the result of 4 causes. 1 a dropped pass, 2. A poor throw 3. A pass breakup by a DB, 4 a forced incompletion by the pass rush.

Yeah your suggestion provides an even better measure. And the four things you mentioned could certainly be tracked (and probably are somewhere.

Mahomes illustrates what you're talking about, and a younger version of Rodgers - when they get pressured out of the pocket they often play their best football. Anyway, good point Sanguine.

(At some point there become too many categories or situations to track, and this could be an example. But when evaluating a position, like Edge rusher, these stats do paint a better picture. Pressuring a QB into an incompletion is different than pressuring him into completions or even TDs. Again, it may just not be practical to track.)

 

[Magooch]

In any case Gary is top ~40 in pressures while top ~10 in AAV for edge players.
No matter how we try and stretch out the data, put our thumb on the scale, etc… I don’t think there’s any way anyone could claim with a straight face that he’s living up to his contract.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sacks stop drives at a much higher rate than "pressures" or hits. With a mobile qb, pressures very often result in giving up a first down when he breaks contain and scrambles for 10 to 15 yards. As I have posted in the past, instead of hits or "pressures", pass rushers should be credited with a forced incompletion if their rush creates an inaccurate throw. It shouldn't be too difficult. Every incompletion is the result of 4 causes. 1 a dropped pass, 2. A poor throw 3. A pass breakup by a DB, 4 a forced incompletion by the pass rush.

I agree with your thoughts on grading "pass rushers" needs to be more comprehensive to be more accurate. However, lets not forget that these so called "pass rushers" are also responsible for holding the edge and/or making tackles on rushing plays, including QB rushes. So if they give up yards because they left running lanes wide open, that is a negative. This is an area where I think offenses exploit our defensive line. It is very easy for an OL to simply help escort a sack hungry defensive lineman away from a run lane.

So yes, sacks are great, but if they come at the cost of opening up lanes for a RB or QB to pick up big chunks, then I would say, being overly focused on them, can hurt a defense.

 

[tynimiller]

In any case Gary is top ~40 in pressures while top ~10 in AAV for edge players.
No matter how we try and stretch out the data, put our thumb on the scale, etc… I don’t think there’s any way anyone could claim with a straight face that he’s living up to his contract.

It isn't stretching data. LOL

I haven't heard anyone state he is playing at the ELITE level we all would hope. Part of the nature of contract's...I mean shoot Christian Kirk was one of the top paid WRs at one time because of timing of signing. His hit to the team this year is only $11 Million which he is easily playing up to, but we didn't pay him to be an above average starter like he has been. WE paid him to be a great level starter.

He is presently projecting to finish very similar to his second year in the league (2020) and 2022 (his shortened year due to injury). Fact is on the whole this just isn't living up to things at all. I've found myself wondering and believing it is a collection of factors most likely:

- new system may be a factor of course, but to what degree who knows...we do know Hafley intentionally this year at times pressed his edges to focus on contain and not getting to the QB.

- Is there a nagging health issue? We won't know this till post-season likely but who knows.

- The play of Preston and LVN are not what they used to be allowing teams to focus attention to Gary. I've noticed a lot of protection sliding happens Gary's way but rarely opposite side. Preston may finally be slowing down in his pressure making abilties - albeit very consistent elsewhere still as always. He is also on pace for a very low pressure amount he has NEVER done in his whole career.

That last point makes me really draw some more out of the system could be a bigger factor than I even thought until I started researching this for my response. The fact that we are seeing Gary and Preston BOTH possibly having the lowest pressure years (ignore sacks, pressures >> sacks) they've had in their careers cannot be a coincident right? I mean truly could be but dang...seems crazy to be happening right? LVN is also on pass for far less pressures than he has done in the past....

 

[tynimiller]

So yes, sacks are great, but if they come at the cost of opening up lanes for a RB or QB to pick up big chunks, then I would say, being overly focused on them, can hurt a defense.

ABSOLUTELY...who gives a RIP if you have 20 sacks on a season if you only played 22 snaps well.