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Respectful disagreements happen...right here I'm callin it...there is no way this oline is top 5 or 10. Bakh is no longer a premier LT, Jenkins is an above avg G, Myers and Hanson are subpar C, Runyon is ok, and Right Tackle we have a revolving door of 3 or 4 guys. Lets please be realistic and say this line is the weakest unit on the team other than having Barry as a DC which will show its ugly head shortly. My expectations this year are that of a 5-7 W team.
While I don't disagree with you on your 5-7 wins prediction, I think you are undervaluing the Packers OL or maybe overvaluing the rest of the league?

I think way too much has been made of Myers "struggles". I'll say it again, if they can stay healthy, they'll be a top 10 unit.



Here is how PFF saw the Packer OL at the end of 2022. No changes or injuries since then.

 

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Respectful disagreements happen...right here I'm callin it...there is no way this oline is top 5 or 10. Bakh is no longer a premier LT, Jenkins is an above avg G, Myers and Hanson are subpar C, Runyon is ok, and Right Tackle we have a revolving door of 3 or 4 guys. Lets please be realistic and say this line is the weakest unit on the team other than having Barry as a DC which will show its ugly head shortly. My expectations this year are that of a 5-7 W team.

You’re right— they do. And respectfully, I disagree.

Yes, Bakh is on a load management program right now. When he plays, he’s still elite, as is Jenkins.

Myers is mediocre at best. You’re right about that.

But Runyan is good and Tom looks fantastic.

If you’re good to great at four spots and just ok at one, you have the potential of a great offensive line.

Look around the league. The majority of teams are dealing with much bigger issues on the OL.
 

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My 53 would look something like this:

Quarterback (2)​

IN: Jordan Love, Sean Clifford

By far one of the easiest decisions for Gute. They will have a shot to sign McGough or any other cut QB, to the PS.


Running back (2)​

IN: Aaron Jones, A.J. Dillon

PS: Patrick Taylor, Tyler Goodson or Emanuel Wilson (2 of the 3).

I can't imagine a world where all 3 of those guys get plucked off waivers. At least 1 will be there to put on the PS. I think all 3 bring different elements, I prefer Wilson.


Wide receiver (6)​

IN: Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Jayden Reed, Samori Toure, Dontayvion Wicks, Malik Heath

PS: Hopefully DuBose doesn't get picked up, he just hasn't been healthy enough to have a great feel for. Maybe the Packers love him and keep 7 WR's.



Tight end (3)​

IN: Luke Musgrave*, Tucker Kraft*, Josiah Deguara

PS: Tyler Davis's season ending injury hurt depth here. Austin Allen should clear waivers, pick him up or any other cut TE. Too many other guys I would give that spot to than Allen or even Pearson(FB).


Offensive line (9)​

IN: David Bakhtiari, Elgton Jenkins, Josh Myers, Jon Runyan Jr., Zach Tom, Rasheed Walker, Sean Rhyan, Yosh Nijman, Caleb Jones

PS: Jake Hanson, Caleb Jones and any 2 of Jean Delance, James Empey, Cole Schneider, Kadeem Telfort, Luke Tenuta

The Packers have a lot of depth at OL, since many of them can play multiple positions. I would like to see a stronger OL, but I am not as worried about them as many are. They will come together and be one of the top 10 in the NFL, barring injuries.



Defensive line (5-6)​

IN: Kenny Clark, T.J. Slaton, Devonte Wyatt, Karl Brooks, Colby Wooden
BUBBLE: Jonathan Ford
PS: Chris Slayton, Antonio Moultrie
I like Ford, but would rather they keep Brenton Cox at OLB, if it came down to the 2 players.



Outside linebacker (6)​

IN: Preston Smith, Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Ness, JJ Enagbare, Justin Hollins, Brenton Cox
PS: Arron Mosby, Keshawn Banks, Kenneth Odumegwu (free spot).

I think one of the strongest positions on the Packers. Gute might even try to swing a trade of 1 of the top 6 to a needy team. I will be livid if they cut Cox and he gets claimed.



Inside linebacker (5)​

IN: De'Vondre Campbell, Quay Walker, Eric Wilson, Isaiah McDuffie, Tariq Carpenter
PS: Marvin Pierre, Jimmy Phillips Jr.

Carpenter being switched to ILB isn't a glowing endorsement for him, but he is a good special teams guy and that keeps him on the 53.



Cornerback (5)​

IN: Jaire Alexander, Rasul Douglas, Keisean Nixon, Carrington Valentine, Innis Gaines
PUP: Eric Stokes,
PS: Kiondre Thomas, Corey Ballentine

Stokes will probably start the season on the PUP. Which means maybe Gaines, Thomas or Ballentine temporally get that 5th spot. This could also be a place where Gute rolls the dice, only keeps 4 and signs 3 to the PS.



Safety (5-6)​

IN: Darnell Savage, Jonathan Owens, Tarvarius Moore, Rudy Ford, Dallin Leavitt
BUBBLE: Anthony Johnson Jr.
PS: Benny Sapp III

AJ Jr. has been looking better and its a weak and thin group, so maybe he is kept. That said, I think Gute goes out and gets another S for the roster, after cutdowns.



Special Teams (3)​

IN: Anders Carlson (K), Pat O'Donnell (P), Matt Orzech (LS)
PS: Broughton Hatcher, Daniel Whelan

Whelan has a lot of potential, but I think they stick to the Vet and try to stash a 2nd punter on the PS.
I haven't followed as closely but from what I've read, this looks solid. Good work and well presented, so thanks.

The biggest (pleasant) surprises for me this TC have been Brooks and Wooden on the DL and Heath at WR.

I think it would be risky to waive Wilson and hope he clears. He's outplayed the other two, again IMO, and I'd keep him on the 53 rather than lose him. I think there is a better chance that Taylor and/or Woodson clear.

There seems to be no consensus opinion on the OL. I agree with you. It's a solid group and there's solid depth. Top 10? Yeah I think that's possible. This could also turn out to be a great group, or not. A wild card group.

Lookin at this, I feel better than I thought I would earlier in the year. S is the biggest weakness, no surprise there. Hopefully the corners keep the secondary together.
 

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Who pooped in your Cheerios this morning? You are not aware that Hanson isn't on the team anymore?
"Who pooped in your Cheerios this morning?" ****in' eh Poppa. Nothing against lambeau and how good/not good this OL is. But I'm not exactly young and have never heard this one. It's hilarious and made my day! Thanks! (Although I'm probably gonna stop eating Cheerios.)
 

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I think it would be risky to waive Wilson and hope he clears. He's outplayed the other two, again IMO, and I'd keep him on the 53 rather than lose him. I think there is a better chance that Taylor and/or Woodson clear.
Wilson definitely turned some heads in 2 preseason games. He is even leading the NFL in preseason rushing yards. That said, it is the preseason and we all know that what happens in preseason, against soon to be non-nfl players, doesn't always transfer well to the regular season. So while I do like Wilson over Taylor and Goodson, I don't think there is clear separation between 1 being better than the other and the odds are extremely high, 1-3 of them will be available for the PS. So I wouldn't use a roster spot on any of them.

I also think it comes down to not just the roster spot, but the value of the position. RB's seem to be a dime a dozen lately and the Packers starting duo of AJ's is solid. I would rather give the last spot(s) to someone like DuBose, Caleb Jones, Jonathan Ford, Brenton Cox or Leavitt. These are guys that either have a lot of potential as a future starter at an expensive position or have proven their value as backups/special teams players.
 

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So while I do like Wilson over Taylor and Goodson, I don't think there is clear separation between 1 being better than the other and the odds are extremely high, 1-3 of them will be available for the PS. So I wouldn't use a roster spot on any of them.
Taylor has been running with the 1's in ST lineups. Wedge blocker on kickoffs? I think he offers more to the 53 as a position player than Leavitt.
 

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Taylor has been running with the 1's in ST lineups. Wedge blocker on kickoffs? I think he offers more to the 53 as a position player than Leavitt.
I agree with the idea that what Taylor or Leavitt do on ST's might be what keeps them on the Packers. Last season, Taylor played on ST's for 122 snaps, Leavitt 308, which was second most behind Tyler Davis's 346. Davis is done for the season, so they definitely will want to fill whatever role he was in on ST.

I have no clue how Bisaccia currently views Taylor and Leavitt, maybe he would like to keep them both? I don't think either of them are even average good at their perspective positions, but as we saw with Jeff Janus, that can be overlooked if you are valuable on ST.
 
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The more I watch this WR room over practices and preseason - a big part of me wonders if Toure is actually playing himself off this team.
That’s kind of what I alluded to a few months ago. It just feels like we’ve got a platoon of guys that could be that 4,5,6th (or even 7th) WR and do it justice. In the past I feel like we’ve been a little weaker at the bottom with guys like Jarred Abracadabra, EQ, Shepherd, Trevor Davis, J’mon Moore, Michael Clark,

I can go back 5+ years and almost can’t find a “bottom of the roster” WR group (put together) as good as our 4,5,6,7,8 choices this season. When Toure is getting pushed down as your WR6? you should be pretty happy. I’ve got Wicks, Heath as WR4-5. Dubose may have to go PS? I don’t envy who has to make that decision.
 
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"Who pooped in your Cheerios this morning?" ****in' eh Poppa. Nothing against lambeau and how good/not good this OL is. But I'm not exactly young and have never heard this one. It's hilarious and made my day! Thanks! (Although I'm probably gonna stop eating Cheerios.)
good now get the hell off my lawn...damn kids! lol
 

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Respectful disagreements happen...right here I'm callin it...there is no way this oline is top 5 or 10. Bakh is no longer a premier LT, Jenkins is an above avg G, Myers and Hanson are subpar C, Runyon is ok, and Right Tackle we have a revolving door of 3 or 4 guys. Lets please be realistic and say this line is the weakest unit on the team other than having Barry as a DC which will show its ugly head shortly. My expectations this year are that of a 5-7 W team.
I hope we don't have a revolving door out there because I think Tom will be terrific.
 

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I dont think Bakhtiari is ok, his knee is shot. The Jets want him - I say its a rebuild year get something for him while they still can. I need to see Tom play RT on a regular basis before crowning him terrific or even noteworthy. This scenario reminds me of the 70s teams..show promise in preseason and then the regular season arrives and STOMP. The 5-7 Win team is right where I expect them to be. The DC is a total bum, and shouldve been shown the door. Too bad as I think there is a lot of talent on the D, but when you play zone and play outside contain the middle of the field is wide open no matter what the 3rd down scenario is. Barry has proven nothing. When the D stinks it up again itll be Lafluer who will be shown the door too.
 

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Tom played L tackle a couple of regular season games last year and played very well.
 
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I'll toss out probably my final full 53 prediction....now I do think the final OL spot, the final Safety spot and how we iron out the LB (OLB and ILB) room I think is the most unknown spots...this is the prediction I think the organization is going to do - if my personal choice is different I put it in parenthesis and italicized.

Offense - 24

QB (2)
- Love and Clifford...I just don't see a benefit to keeping 3. Now if we had a Bradford or Wentz or some veteran around I could see us doing 3...McDough is that 6 year vet that will be on the PS and around.

RB (2) - Jones / Dillon...this prediction hurts me. I believe Tyler Goodson can be every bit a Aaron Jones-ish type guy (easy with the running with that statement fellas, not saying he is same now)...but I envision we roll the dice and PS 2 of the other three.

TE (4) - Musgrave / Kraft / Deguara / A TBD Signing...I don't like the concept of having just three...but I don't see a world Allen is our 4th at this current time.

WR (7) - Watson / Doubs / Reed / Wicks / Heath / Toure / DuBose

OL (9)
- Bakh / Jenkins / Myers / Runyan / Tom / Yosh / Walker / Rhyan / Jones...I am moving Yosh personally, this is the perfect storm year to do it....if he isn't going to be in your starting five move him. The ONLY reason NOT to move Yosh is if you plan on walking from Bakh next year and signing Yosh - otherwise I will go on record today, not trading Yosh this year is NOT smart. If we trade him Tenuta or Newman gets 9th spot.

Defense - 26

DL (5) - Clark / Wyatt / Slaton / Wooden / Brooks
...with LVN able to reduce in and working with this group keeping 5 doesn't scare me.

LBs (10) - Walker / Campbell / McDuffie / P Smith / Gary / Enagbare / Van Ness / Cox / Wilson / Carpenter

CB (5) - Alexander / Douglas / Nixon / Valentine / Thomas
(Ballentine)...I keep Ballentine but I suspect Kiondre may get the roll and truly our 5th CB I think will be Valentine during most of season if healthy, cuz Stokes will be back, but he starts on PUP.

S (5) - Savage / Ford / Owens / Leavitt / Johnson Jr / Moore....I think when Stokes comes back depending on any injuries elsewhere, this group could overtime become just 4 with Rasul shifting to S IF safety play sucks.

ST - 3
K - Anders
P - O'Donnell
LS - Orzech


Stokes on PUP
 
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While I don't disagree with you on your 5-7 wins prediction, I think you are undervaluing the Packers OL or maybe overvaluing the rest of the league?

I think way too much has been made of Myers "struggles". I'll say it again, if they can stay healthy, they'll be a top 10 unit.



Here is how PFF saw the Packer OL at the end of 2022. No changes or injuries since then.

I really do not care if they are a top 10 OL. Now if we are a top 10 TEAM I will be thrilled.
 

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I agree with the idea that what Taylor or Leavitt do on ST's might be what keeps them on the Packers. Last season, Taylor played on ST's for 122 snaps, Leavitt 308, which was second most behind Tyler Davis's 346. Davis is done for the season, so they definitely will want to fill whatever role he was in on ST.

I have no clue how Bisaccia currently views Taylor and Leavitt, maybe he would like to keep them both? I don't think either of them are even average good at their perspective positions, but as we saw with Jeff Janus, that can be overlooked if you are valuable on ST.
You and Poppa make good points on the 3rd RB position and whether or not it s/b on the 53. I agree now it shouldn't. After reading your first comment, I agree the position, even at elite levels, is commoditized. Look at how long Cook and Elliott remained as FAs.

I'm not saying that there aren't levels of talent within the RB universe, there are. It has come down to a question of $$$, what else is new? And yeah, two PS games is hardly a valid sample. And missing on one guy may happen. But hitting on another guy, a late draft pick or UDFA or a waiver, seems just as likely. With the woeful but improving STs, I'm all for keeping a guy that can perform well there.
 
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Yeah, I more and more think it is Jones and Dillon and actually right after posting that comment couple up I switched. Gute and MLF I think are fine with entering the season with any of the three on PS between Taylor, Goodson, Wilson and Lew
 

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I'll toss out probably my final full 53 prediction....now I do think the final OL spot, the final Safety spot and how we iron out the LB (OLB and ILB) room I think is the most unknown spots...this is the prediction I think the organization is going to do - if my personal choice is different I put it in parenthesis and italicized.

Offense - 25

QB (2)
- Love and Clifford...I just don't see a benefit to keeping 3. Now if we had a Bradford or Wentz or some veteran around I could see us doing 3...McDough is that 6 year vet that will be on the PS and around.

RB (3) - Jones / Dillon...this prediction hurts me. I believe Tyler Goodson can be every bit a Aaron Jones-ish type guy (easy with the running with that statement fellas, not saying he is same now)...but I envision we roll the dice and PS 2 of the other three.

TE (4) - Musgrave / Kraft / Deguara / A TBD Signing...I don't like the concept of having just three...but I don't see a world Allen is our 4th at this current time.

WR (6) - Watson / Doubs / Reed / Wicks / Heath / Toure...Personally, letting DuBose hit waivers worries me, because I see an equal chance at becoming something special in him as I do in Wicks/Heath and Toure.

OL (9) - Bakh / Jenkins / Myers / Runyan / Tom / Yosh / Walker / Rhyan / Jones...I am moving Yosh personally, this is the perfect storm year to do it....if he isn't going to be in your starting five move him. The ONLY reason NOT to move Yosh is if you plan on walking from Bakh next year and signing Yosh - otherwise I will go on record today, not trading Yosh this year is NOT smart. If we trade him Tenuta or Newman gets 9th spot.

Defense - 25

DL (5) - Clark / Wyatt / Slaton / Wooden / Brooks
...with LVN able to reduce in and working with this group keeping 5 doesn't scare me.

LBs (10) - Walker / Campbell / McDuffie / P Smith / Gary / Enagbare / Van Ness / Cox / Wilson / Carpenter

CB (5) - Alexander / Douglas / Nixon / Valentine / Thomas
(Ballentine)...I keep Ballentine but I suspect Kiondre may get the roll and truly our 5th CB I think will be Valentine during most of season if healthy, cuz Stokes will be back, but he starts on PUP.

S (5) - Savage / Ford / Owens / Leavitt / Johnson Jr....I think when Stokes comes back depending on any injuries elsewhere, this group could overtime become just 4 with Rasul shifting to S IF safety play sucks.

ST - 3
K - Anders
P - O'Donnell
LS - Orzech


Stokes on PUP
You get to add 1 or maybe even 2 players, depending on how I interpret your RB choices. If my math is correct, your numbers only add up to 52. Also, with your RB's you have this: "RB (3) - Jones / Dillon" and then you talk about losing Goodson. If you are actually proposing to keep him, then the 3 is correct. If not, you have another roster spot.

I agree on Yosh, IF...what they can get for him isn't just a 6th or 7th, which I don't think it would or should be. Teams are always looking for quality Tackles and Yosh would probably be a starter on a handful of teams. His 1 year salary is totally affordable, whether he is a Packer or traded. The other option, if the Packers feel exposed at their Safety depth, maybe find a team willing to part with a decent safety for Yosh.
 

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I'll toss out probably my final full 53 prediction....now I do think the final OL spot, the final Safety spot and how we iron out the LB (OLB and ILB) room I think is the most unknown spots...this is the prediction I think the organization is going to do - if my personal choice is different I put it in parenthesis and italicized.

Offense - 25

QB (2)
- Love and Clifford...I just don't see a benefit to keeping 3. Now if we had a Bradford or Wentz or some veteran around I could see us doing 3...McDough is that 6 year vet that will be on the PS and around.

RB (3) - Jones / Dillon...this prediction hurts me. I believe Tyler Goodson can be every bit a Aaron Jones-ish type guy (easy with the running with that statement fellas, not saying he is same now)...but I envision we roll the dice and PS 2 of the other three.

TE (4) - Musgrave / Kraft / Deguara / A TBD Signing...I don't like the concept of having just three...but I don't see a world Allen is our 4th at this current time.

WR (6) - Watson / Doubs / Reed / Wicks / Heath / Toure...Personally, letting DuBose hit waivers worries me, because I see an equal chance at becoming something special in him as I do in Wicks/Heath and Toure.

OL (9) - Bakh / Jenkins / Myers / Runyan / Tom / Yosh / Walker / Rhyan / Jones...I am moving Yosh personally, this is the perfect storm year to do it....if he isn't going to be in your starting five move him. The ONLY reason NOT to move Yosh is if you plan on walking from Bakh next year and signing Yosh - otherwise I will go on record today, not trading Yosh this year is NOT smart. If we trade him Tenuta or Newman gets 9th spot.

Defense - 25

DL (5) - Clark / Wyatt / Slaton / Wooden / Brooks
...with LVN able to reduce in and working with this group keeping 5 doesn't scare me.

LBs (10) - Walker / Campbell / McDuffie / P Smith / Gary / Enagbare / Van Ness / Cox / Wilson / Carpenter

CB (5) - Alexander / Douglas / Nixon / Valentine / Thomas
(Ballentine)...I keep Ballentine but I suspect Kiondre may get the roll and truly our 5th CB I think will be Valentine during most of season if healthy, cuz Stokes will be back, but he starts on PUP.

S (5) - Savage / Ford / Owens / Leavitt / Johnson Jr....I think when Stokes comes back depending on any injuries elsewhere, this group could overtime become just 4 with Rasul shifting to S IF safety play sucks.

ST - 3
K - Anders
P - O'Donnell
LS - Orzech


Stokes on PUP
I do not think your math is correct on offense. For me 2 QBs, 2 RBs( I put all 3 of the others on PS) TEs 4 including someone not currently on the team, OL- 10- I add Newman and agree I would try and move someone, not necessarily now or Yosh, as you mentioned what if anything Bakh has left in the tank will heavily influence that thought process. WR-7 keep DuBose. 25.
 

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Yeah, I more and more think it is Jones and Dillon and actually right after posting that comment couple up I switched. Gute and MLF I think are fine with entering the season with any of the three on PS between Taylor, Goodson, Wilson and Lew
That is my thought/theory as well.

Taylor has been in the NFL since 2020 and really hasn't done much. His value is that he knows the Packers system/playbook. I just don't see him growing into much more than an emergency RB. He won't be picked up by another team.

Goodson hasn't really impressed me all that much either. His shoulder injury hasn't helped his cause, but it probably has kept him off the radar of other teams. If this is the guy the Packers want on the PS, I think he will clear waivers.

Wilson is kind of the polar opposite of Taylor and Goodson. He is a rookie, still learning the playbook and has shined in preseason, so maybe he is on other teams radar. Honestly, this would be the only RB of the 3 I would even consider protecting by putting on the 53, but only if he is seen as someone with a lot of potential. That said, I wouldn't use the roster spot if the coaches feel that he is a JAG at RB.
 

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I dont think Bakhtiari is ok, his knee is shot. The Jets want him - I say its a rebuild year get something for him while they still can.
He's a big cap hit for the next 2 seasons either way, but I tend to agree with this thinking. I didn't think that 4 months ago, but Bahk has been put in a protective bubble all summer, which tells me something about his knee.

Add in the fact that he is an even bigger cap hit this and next season, if the Packers keep him. This is a rebuild year in my mind, as nice as it would be to have a 2019 Bahk at LT blocking for Love in his first year of starting, I don't think that is what we have anymore. As @tynimiller pointed out, if they want to keep Yosh beyond 2023, trade Bahk now, to a team like the Jets, that are desperate for a Pro Bowl LT. Getting even a 2nd round pick and maybe even more for Bahk could go a long way towards this rebuild being successful, as would all the saved cap money.
 
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You get to add 1 or maybe even 2 players, depending on how I interpret your RB choices. If my math is correct, your numbers only add up to 52. Also, with your RB's you have this: "RB (3) - Jones / Dillon" and then you talk about losing Goodson. If you are actually proposing to keep him, then the 3 is correct. If not, you have another roster spot.

I agree on Yosh, IF...what they can get for him isn't just a 6th or 7th, which I don't think it would or should be. Teams are always looking for quality Tackles and Yosh would probably be a starter on a handful of teams. His 1 year salary is totally affordable, whether he is a Packer or traded. The other option, if the Packers feel exposed at their Safety depth, maybe find a team willing to part with a decent safety for Yosh.
Corrected offense should have said one less while defense one more I believe. Added DuBose and Moore. Offense 24 and defense 26
 
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I do not think your math is correct on offense. For me 2 QBs, 2 RBs( I put all 3 of the others on PS) TEs 4 including someone not currently on the team, OL- 10- I add Newman and agree I would try and move someone, not necessarily now or Yosh, as you mentioned what if anything Bakh has left in the tank will heavily influence that thought process. WR-7 keep DuBose. 25.

My math was wrong and I amended it. I added DuBose and that maid my offense have 24. Added Moore to S group and defense has 26
 

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Reports indicate that Deguara has stacked a couple of quality days in practice. Coupled with Pearson’s injury, he’s probably got a roster spot on lock.
 

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