Who should be the New DC?

[PackFan2]

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[easyk83]

Not sure why you say Burnett and Daniels aren't playing well, they are. Dix isn't a vet, he's a third year guy. Perry is just hurt all the time, the one season he was healthy he was REALLY good (which is how he conned the Packers into giving him a bunch of money). Matthews got beat up playing ILB because Thompson couldn't find a decent one (the history of guys moving inside shows that they don't really recover from the pounding of taking on centers and guards all the time).

O-coordinators are very familiar with how to attack pretty much ANY defense. You think Seattle's defense is that complicated? It's actually REALLY simply, they just have GREAT players. I'm sorry, but figuring out Capers D isn't that tough when the defense is fielding a secondary with one good player in Burnett, that's a pretty easy recipe. Again, I'm all aboard the fire Capers bandwagon, if only to remove one more scapegoat from McCarthy, but one guy isn't going to turn around a defense that lacks talent at many levels.

Except why did smart players like Hayward and Hyde struggle in it? The 34 is a perfectly viable defense, but not the way Capers runs it. People maybe forget but the defense he ran in 2010, largely out of necessity, was not a classic Capers defense. There you basically had Nick Collins playing single high safety with Charlie Peprah up in the box on virtually every snap with corners playing press coverage on the outside. This didn't allow all of Dom's whacky coverage rotations or wild blitz packages, it was a fairly standard fire-man defense.

Capers track record is this, come in and install a very basic 34 D and see brilliant initial success for about two years. Then when the players are in the system he keeps installing more and more crap until the players can't even execute it anymore. Even before Nick Collins was injured against Carolina the D looked like garbage in the secondary, because he had already gone away from single high Ed Reed Baltimore style to something that was better in his mind... and for that 1 and 2/3 games he ran a Classic Capers style defense with most of the players from his Super Bowl unit... and it completely sucked.

 

[easyk83]

A good coordinator weighs things like surprise and misdirection against execution. If the scheme is too complicated the players just are not going to be able to execute it. Capers is honestly one of the great defensive minds in football, and ironically enough that's his downfall.

 

[gatorpack]

Aaron Rodgers

just let the guy do everything

I hear his leg is as strong as his arm!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not sure why you say Burnett and Daniels aren't playing well, they are. Dix isn't a vet, he's a third year guy. Perry is just hurt all the time, the one season he was healthy he was REALLY good (which is how he conned the Packers into giving him a bunch of money). Matthews got beat up playing ILB because Thompson couldn't find a decent one (the history of guys moving inside shows that they don't really recover from the pounding of taking on centers and guards all the time).

O-coordinators are very familiar with how to attack pretty much ANY defense. You think Seattle's defense is that complicated? It's actually REALLY simply, they just have GREAT players. I'm sorry, but figuring out Capers D isn't that tough when the defense is fielding a secondary with one good player in Burnett, that's a pretty easy recipe. Again, I'm all aboard the fire Capers bandwagon, if only to remove one more scapegoat from McCarthy, but one guy isn't going to turn around a defense that lacks talent at many levels.

Dix is actually finishing his 4th year in Green Bay, when is he considered a veteran?

You said about Capers

"defense relies on a lot of misdirection and complicated movements, things that don't work well when the team relies almost entirely on very young players."

I don't consider the defense young enough to conclude that Capers defensive scheme soley fails because of age and inexperience. In fact, Martinez and Clark, both second year guys, seemed to have great years. Maybe Capers scheme is too complicated for a player with an average to below average football IQ?

 

[easyk83]

Dix is actually finishing his 4th year in Green Bay, when is he considered a veteran?

You said about Capers

"defense relies on a lot of misdirection and complicated movements, things that don't work well when the team relies almost entirely on very young players."

I don't consider the defense young enough to conclude that Capers defensive scheme soley fails because of age and inexperience. In fact, Martinez and Clark, both second year guys, seemed to have great years. Maybe Capers scheme is too complicated for a player with an average to below average football IQ?

Clark has less responsibility as a DL than say a safety or nickelback. I think it's in the secondary where the overly complicated nature of Capers defense really becomes a problem, see Hayward's tweet concerning Micah Hyde.

I would transform GBs defense into a single high safety unit with Randle up top and Dix or Josh Jones up in the box, and press coverage on the outside. Ryan and Martinez are physical players but neither is great in coverage. Keep Matthews with a restructured contract and the understanding that he'll line up almost exclusively at 7 or wide 9 against passing formations. Fackrell can competently rush from that position in limited reps whenever Matthews needs to sit for a game. We need a defense that actually shrinks passing lanes and makes it harder for receivers to find quick releases. It would be nice to see some coverage sacks for a change, with Matthews out wide it should create some opportunities for quick pressures elsewhere in the formation.

 

[easyk83]

I also think that the complicated blitz packages make it more challenging for players to disguise their pressures and avoid tipping their hand prematurely. It seems like offenses always know when either Martinez or Ryan are coming up the middle.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Clark has less responsibility as a DL than say a safety or nickelback. I think it's in the secondary where the overly complicated nature of Capers defense really becomes a problem, see Hayward's tweet concerning Micah Hyde.

I would transform GBs defense into a single high safety unit with Randle up top and Dix or Josh Jones up in the box, and press coverage on the outside. Ryan and Martinez are physical players but neither is great in coverage. Keep Matthews with a restructured contract and the understanding that he'll line up almost exclusively at 7 or wide 9 against passing formations. Fackrell can competently rush from that position in limited reps whenever Matthews needs to sit for a game. We need a defense that actually shrinks passing lanes and makes it harder for receivers to find quick releases. It would be nice to see some coverage sacks for a change, with Matthews out wide it should create some opportunities for quick pressures elsewhere in the formation.

You are hired, when can you start?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I also think that the complicated blitz packages make it more challenging for players to disguise their pressures and avoid tipping their hand prematurely. It seems like offenses always know when either Martinez or Ryan are coming up the middle.

Like I said earlier, Capers may run a complicated scheme, but for whatever reasons, opposing offenses know how to attack it and do it successfully more times than not. How many times have we seen offensive players have career days against our defense? Or how many times does another team just keep going back to the short underneath passes without a response?

 

[easyk83]

Like I said earlier, Capers may run a complicated scheme, but for whatever reasons, opposing offenses know how to attack it and do it successfully more times than not. How many times have we seen offensive players have career days against our defense? Or how many times does another team just keep going back to the short underneath passes without a response?

Part of execution is about the players disguising what theyre doing and not tipping their hand, if the players dont even know what they're doing it's likely that they won't do a good job in the detail oriented parts of their game. When is the last time that we saw an ILB look like he was dropping into coverage and then come ******* a blitz? If they have too many mental checks and reads it's likely that they wont play as fast as they might in a simpler scheme. Look I'm not of the opinion that our guys cant run a blitzburgh style attack just that they can't run Dom's version of it. The kicker for me is how bad this defense is in big moments and how bad it is as a situational unit and the good night overhand hook is Casey hayward becoming a pro bowler in San Diego.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

What was the question again?

Oh Yea. New dc.

I love the idea of stealing the vikes defensive coordinator. Lol. A NFC Norris coup.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

When is the last time that we saw an ILB look like he was dropping into coverage and then come ******* a blitz?

Probably every week.....from the other team

 

[McKnowledge]

And what exactly makes you think Jacksonville would allow that to happen?

Aim high. Request interview with DC, they say no...ask about Fewell. Perry Fewell would drastically upgrade the secondary. Great coverage scheme and stout front 7 type of defense.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Kevin Greene was told he was going to be let go.

No he wasn't.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I love the idea of stealing the vikes defensive coordinator. Lol. A NFC Norris coup.

For the last time. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. The NFL does NOT allow lateral moves without consent from the team to which the coach in question is under contract. And there is absolutely, 100%, no way in hell the Vikings would let that happen. Put it to rest already.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Aim high. Request interview with DC, they say no...ask about Fewell. Perry Fewell would drastically upgrade the secondary. Great coverage scheme and stout front 7 type of defense.

The last time he was a defensive coordinator, the Giants had the 29th ranked defense after getting worse 3 years in a row under his leadership.

 

[rmontro]

McCarthy has waited too long to get rid of Capers. We're now in desperate need of a new DC with a limited number of candidates. Plus McCarthy is in the last year of his contract, and will a DC want to risk getting fired a year from now if McCarthy is let go? Ted should extend McCarthy immediately, on the condition that he get rid of Capers.

All told, we could do worse than Fangio.

 

[Poppa San]

We're now in desperate need of a new DC with a limited number of candidates.

Limited number? There is the usual number out there for the last weekend of the season. Next Tuesday, the streets will be flush with candidates having recent (last week) experience. Some that moved up to HC and failed and also a few that will get their first shot at the chair.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

McCarthy has waited too long to get rid of Capers. We're now in desperate need of a new DC with a limited number of candidates. Plus McCarthy is in the last year of his contract, and will a DC want to risk getting fired a year from now if McCarthy is let go? Ted should extend McCarthy immediately, on the condition that he get rid of Capers.

All told, we could do worse than Fangio.

Limited number? There is the usual number out there for the last weekend of the season. Next Tuesday, the streets will be flush with candidates having recent (last week) experience. Some that moved up to HC and failed and also a few that will get their first shot at the chair.

By limited number, he means household names. I'm a proponent of new blood because they tend to bring creativity with them, as opposed to household names that are typically predictable to a point. Dom Capers is a perfect example of the latter.

 

[rmontro]

By limited number, he means household names.

No. All I mean by limited number is that we are limited by the number of candidates that are available this year. Like Poppa San points out, there is a limited number every year. The problem is they have let this problem fester, and we pretty much HAVE to move on from Capers this year. Awhile back, maybe if there was someone McCarthy was interested in, he could have made the move, or waited for him another year. As it is now, we HAVE to to choose from this current crop of candidates, because the clock has run out.

 

[AmishMafia]

All told, we could do worse than Fangio.

Rehire Capers! He has a history of doing well the first 3 years as a DC.

 

[McKnowledge]

The last time he was a defensive coordinator, the Giants had the 29th ranked defense after getting worse 3 years in a row under his leadership.

It didn't help that the after winning the Super Bowl, deconstruction of the defense took place. The Giants went from a defense minded team to put everything on Eli Manning's team. Can't make good food without the proper ingredients and management didn't do Fewell any favors with the roster. Furthermore (yes...I used this word), with Tom Coughlin as a mentor, it isn't out of the question that Fewell would bring discipline, toughness, and intensity to the weak link of GB. Over the past few seasons, I would imagine offenses across the league were salivating over destroying the GB defense. If the GB defense can bring back a certain nastiness to their identity, maybe GB will give teams pause when they come into Lambeau Field.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

For the last time. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. The NFL does NOT allow lateral moves without consent from the team to which the coach in question is under contract. And there is absolutely, 100%, no way in hell the Vikings would let that happen. Put it to rest already.

Calm down and take deep breaths....

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Vance Joseph may be out as HC in Denver. As mentioned, nobody flashy is available but we could do worse. He was also a DB Coach by trade so hopefully we can salvage the careers of our secondary that are currently in freefall.

But as I mentioned previously Marvin Lewis, Chuck Pagano and Jack Del Rio are as flashy as it gets for this off-season, and we could certainly do alot worse.

But I want this team most definitely back to 4-3 if possible. Maybe TT can build a proper defense that way; he's obviously flopped finding proper players in the current format.

 

[Alex]

Anyone have an opinion on Mike Vrabel? Pats D seems to always find ways to get the job done and wouldn't mind seeing a branch of that in Green Bay.