Who should be the New DC?

[GB2016]

With all being said about a new DC , I haven’t heard much from anybody about who should fill the job. What’s your favorite choice?

Greg Schiano. Got a raw deal in Tampa when he was stuck with Josh Freeman for 2 yrs...a real head case. He's all business and has always had a great defense where ever he's been.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Whoever the, hopefully, new head coach wants.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Greg Schiano. Got a raw deal in Tampa when he was stuck with Josh Freeman for 2 yrs...a real head case. He's all business and has always had a great defense where ever he's been.

Pretty much everyone that has worked with Schiano detests him. The guy is overrated but believes he's Belichick and treats everyone like he is.

 

[Darrin]

You can use the same logic on Thompson. He built a very successful defense that won a Superbowl.

Too me it's an obvious answer. The track record shows throughout his career, Capers does very well for 2 years and then steadily declines. Whatever the reason, there are many theories. My theory is that when he take over he teaches the basics from the ground up. As time goes on, he builds on that knowing the veterans already are e grained the basics. The rookies are never schooled to the same degree on the basics.

That's an excellent point about the shelf life of the 3/4 under Capers. I've read opinions from many scouts that pretty much state the same thing--the 3/4 works for a couple of years in his scheme, then it is downhill...for some reason.

 

[AmishMafia]

That's an excellent point about the shelf life of the 3/4 under Capers. I've read opinions from many scouts that pretty much state the same thing--the 3/4 works for a couple of years in his scheme, then it is downhill...for some reason.

Capers first developed his version of the 3-4 with Pittsburgh. They have been mostly successful for many years. I know that it comes and goes in the NFL. The 5T and the OLBs that excel in the 3-4 are much less valuable to a 4-3 team. So when more teams that run it the fewer players that are available in the draft. At one time Pittsburgh was one of the only teams to run it. They were picking up stud players in the late rounds because nobody else had a use for them.

 

[Darth Garfunkel]

I went up to Lambeau and filled out a job application. I'm expecting a calling day now!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not a big X and O's guy, but it feels like opposing teams find a few weaknesses in Capers defenses and exploit them. Is it that predictable or is Capers just not able to change on the fly? How many times have we seen opposing offenses just come in attack the same thing over and over and the Packers can't seem to stop it. How many times have we seen an opposing OL that isn't all that good, look like Pro Bowlers giving an average QB more than enough time to pick our secondary apart?

Maybe Capers Playbook and chess moves are just too well known by the opponents, that no matter "how good" of a coach Capers is perceived to be, his time has just run out. Added to that, I just don't think he is getting the most out of individual players. Guys are playing hot and cold from week to week.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Actually, this wouldn’t be the first time an interdivision rival interviews for a coaching position and it also won’t be the last. We have no idea what his relationship is internally, at least I don’t have that kind of information one way or another. We have to aim our sights high there’s never a never.
I agree only that it’s more likely Edwards would get a HC offer after what he’s accomplished though.

It's a lateral move. He's already DC in MN. They would have to release him from his contract. Not happening.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Someone younger, that understands today’s players and game. No one over the age of 45 as far as I am concerned

So that pretty much rules out every well-established and proven coordinator that might be available.

 

[BrokenArrow]

1) If you could pry the DC Todd Wash from the team for the right price, get him.

And what exactly makes you think Jacksonville would allow that to happen?

 

[AmishMafia]

Greg Schiano. Got a raw deal in Tampa when he was stuck with Josh Freeman for 2 yrs...a real head case. He's all business and has always had a great defense where ever he's been.

Waaaaait. Greg Schiano. Just realized who he is.

He was an assistant under Sandusky at Penn State and knew about the ********* activities. He did not go to the police, but helped with the cover up.

He also had his defense at Tampa hit the other team during the last few seconds when the other team was taking a knee. And yes, his players lost respect for him and his lack of class/sportsmanship. As one player said, he was embarrassed to play for him.

This guy is a piece of **** and will likely never work in the NFL again. And that is fine with me.

And what exactly makes you think Jacksonville would allow that to happen?

because even the front offices and coaching staffs of other teams are Packer fans and want them to suceed.

 

[Firethorn1001]

I find that dreaming of who the next HC, GM, DC of Green Bay will be is like dreaming of what I'm going to do with all my Powerball winnings when it is at 500M. Fun for a night then I realize that it will never happen. I put better odds on them all getting extensions and raises rather than anyone being fired.

 

[easyk83]

Capers first developed his version of the 3-4 with Pittsburgh. They have been mostly successful for many years. I know that it comes and goes in the NFL. The 5T and the OLBs that excel in the 3-4 are much less valuable to a 4-3 team. So when more teams that run it the fewer players that are available in the draft. At one time Pittsburgh was one of the only teams to run it. They were picking up stud players in the late rounds because nobody else had a use for them.

That's the thing with scheme, imo data and stats could probably figure out the best approach at a given time dependent on how many players of x body type are available in a typical draft and how many teams are running y scheme. If more teams are moving to a 43 then stick with a 34. Football can be a counterintuitive sport where going against the grain often works best. If everyone is running a passing offense then maybe put more focus on the run game. Suddenly you're no long competing for as much passing talent as everyone else but as defenses get lighter and faster to defend the pass suddenly there you are just over them.

 

[easyk83]

I'm not a big X and O's guy, but it feels like opposing teams find a few weaknesses in Capers defenses and exploit them. Is it that predictable or is Capers just not able to change on the fly? How many times have we seen opposing offenses just come in attack the same thing over and over and the Packers can't seem to stop it. How many times have we seen an opposing OL that isn't all that good, look like Pro Bowlers giving an average QB more than enough time to pick our secondary apart?

Maybe Capers Playbook and chess moves are just too well known by the opponents, that no matter "how good" of a coach Capers is perceived to be, his time has just run out. Added to that, I just don't think he is getting the most out of individual players. Guys are playing hot and cold from week to week.

With scheme there's always the issue of surprise and really catching teams off guard versus your players actually being able to execute it. A 34 D requires some surprise and misdirection to work at it's best. Well if your players have too much crap swimming through their heads how well are they going to be able to execute or sell that misdirection? IMO Capers has them working on so many different looks concepts pressures checks and reads that A) they're tied up in knots when they're trying to play, and it shows up the most in pressure situations and B) they just never learn to really execute anything really well.

This is why i back the notion that Capers' defense is just unworkable. Not the the fire-zone/man is bad or unusable but that Dom simply has too many damned ideas. His best defense in GB was probably the most vanilla scheme that he has used since being here, it's possible that if the unit wasn't wracked with injuries that Dom wouldn't have made the necessary changes that made the unit so effective not only throughout the season but in big moments as well. It was just a simple nickel D with Collins playing single high and Woodson just doing whatever he wanted to.

 

[shockerx]

nice post, easyk83. ill try to simplify it more..to me the defense is always on its HEELS, verse playing DOWN HILL. scared vs confident.

 

[shockerx]

i would like to see Roquan Smith LB he will play down hill for you. but most likely gone a couple picks before us. dang.

 

[Packer96]

Kevin Greene

 

[El Guapo]

My votes for new defensive coordinator are:

1) Fritz Shurmer
2) Buddy Ryan

 

[AmishMafia]

Kevin Greene

So, he did a bad job as OLB coach annd got let go, had issues integrating OLBs with the rest of the defense, has no experience, yet he should be made DC because?????

This is as bad as those who wanted Favre as OC. A guy with no coaching experience and who refused to help QBs underneath him, and had lots of bad habits when he played.

 

[BrokenArrow]

So, he did a bad job as OLB coach annd got let go, had issues integrating OLBs with the rest of the defense, has no experience, yet he should be made DC because?????

I don't recall anyone complaining about his job coaching here. CM3 had his best years playing for Greene.

He wasn't fired either:

“I am stepping away from the NFL at this time in order to spend more time with my wife, Tara, and our children, Gavin and Gabrielle,” Greene said. “I will miss coaching and will try to return after our kids move on to college if a team will have me."

I don't know if he's ready yet, but sooner or later I bet he'll be a DC and probably a pretty decent one.

 

[AmishMafia]

I don't recall anyone complaining about his job coaching here. CM3 had his best years playing for Greene.

He wasn't fired either:

“I am stepping away from the NFL at this time in order to spend more time with my wife, Tara, and our children, Gavin and Gabrielle,” Greene said. “I will miss coaching and will try to return after our kids move on to college if a team will have me."

I don't know if he's ready yet, but sooner or later I bet he'll be a DC and probably a pretty decent one.

He was told he was going to be let go. The problem wasn't the OLB performance individually, it was their lack of working with other position groups. He did not develop a single player, CM3 was already good when he got here.

My post in December of 2013

I think the biggest upgrade the Packer defense can make for next season is a fresh face at DC. I think some of the position coaches should be gone as well - including Kevin Greene. Not sure why anyone thinks he should be the DC. Does not seem enough of the cerebral type for guiding the D. Other than CM3, who was instantly good so I'm not sure KG can take credit for his development, no OLB has yet to be developed by Greene. My issue with the overall defense is too many breakdowns. That is a result of poor coaching, IMHO.

 

[easyk83]

He was told he was going to be let go. The problem wasn't the OLB performance individually, it was their lack of working with other position groups. He did not develop a single player, CM3 was already good when he got here.

My post in December of 2013

To be fair he didn't have the best talent to work with, Perry was always hurt and other than that it was a bunch of UFAs. That being said I don't see him as a Defensive Coordinator, ever.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Capers first developed his version of the 3-4 with Pittsburgh. They have been mostly successful for many years. I know that it comes and goes in the NFL. The 5T and the OLBs that excel in the 3-4 are much less valuable to a 4-3 team. So when more teams that run it the fewer players that are available in the draft. At one time Pittsburgh was one of the only teams to run it. They were picking up stud players in the late rounds because nobody else had a use for them.

It's been discussed before but the main issue with Capers' defense in Green Bay isn't that "teams have figured it out", it's that his defense relies on a lot of misdirection and complicated movements, things that don't work well when the team relies almost entirely on very young players. It's one of the odd things in the pairing of Capers with Green Bay. In his first few seasons, when the team still had talented vets on defense, the defense was very good. Now the team is relying on a third-year safety, rookie or second-year corners, second-year linebackers, and young dlinemen. It's not a situation that is conducive to Capers particular defensive style.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's been discussed before but the main issue with Capers' defense in Green Bay isn't that "teams have figured it out", it's that his defense relies on a lot of misdirection and complicated movements, things that don't work well when the team relies almost entirely on very young players. It's one of the odd things in the pairing of Capers with Green Bay. In his first few seasons, when the team still had talented vets on defense, the defense was very good. Now the team is relying on a third-year safety, rookie or second-year corners, second-year linebackers, and young dlinemen. It's not a situation that is conducive to Capers particular defensive style.

Yet, Vet players like Matthews, Daniels, Perry, Dix, Burnett, House, et al aren't playing well under it either.

While I get what you are saying, in the notion that it takes 11 players, all on the same page for the execution of a complicated defensive scheme to be successful, which it hasn't been over the last 6+ years. I also firmly believe offensive coordinators are so familiar with Capers and how to attack his defenses, that it even with flawless execution by all 11 players, offenses are going to be successful.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Yet, Vet players like Matthews, Daniels, Perry, Dix, Burnett, House, et al aren't playing well under it either.

While I get what you are saying, in the notion that it takes 11 players, all on the same page for the execution of a complicated defensive scheme to be successful, which it hasn't been over the last 6+ years. I also firmly believe offensive coordinators are so familiar with Capers and how to attack his defenses, that it even with flawless execution by all 11 players, offenses are going to be successful.

Not sure why you say Burnett and Daniels aren't playing well, they are. Dix isn't a vet, he's a third year guy. Perry is just hurt all the time, the one season he was healthy he was REALLY good (which is how he conned the Packers into giving him a bunch of money). Matthews got beat up playing ILB because Thompson couldn't find a decent one (the history of guys moving inside shows that they don't really recover from the pounding of taking on centers and guards all the time).

O-coordinators are very familiar with how to attack pretty much ANY defense. You think Seattle's defense is that complicated? It's actually REALLY simply, they just have GREAT players. I'm sorry, but figuring out Capers D isn't that tough when the defense is fielding a secondary with one good player in Burnett, that's a pretty easy recipe. Again, I'm all aboard the fire Capers bandwagon, if only to remove one more scapegoat from McCarthy, but one guy isn't going to turn around a defense that lacks talent at many levels.