What Safety is there at 12? Or Hockenson ~ the next Gronk

[sschind]

I might have to retire everything with the Packers if they draft him at 12. It would be crystal clear these guys dont know what the hell they are doing and I will be out.

I'm not gonna play along with anymore INSANITY if they go that route. I have other things I can do other then watch a LOSING football team because the front office has there head up there ***.

Just so we are clear, if you are no longer watching that means you will no longer be posting right?

I changed my mind. This really seals it. I hope they trade up to #2 to take Hockenson now.

 

[Dantés]

Some have said he uses a little stutter step in his releases at times that they don't like, but other times they are impressed with his release against press. If you wanna quibble on that while this kid is racking up YAC like a madman and catching everything including every contested ball then be my guest.

Keep in mind those weaknesses you read online are normally laughed at later. Should I list Davante Adams "weaknesses" coming out or do you want to?

I am half joking. I know you were pretty much just giving a difference between Harry and Allen. I get it.

I'm not telling you what I've read; I'm telling you what I've seen.

It's not a disqualifying weakness or anything but will be his biggest issue as a rookie.

It's one reason why I would prefer Brown. But he certainly does fit the big slot mould.

 

[sschind]

You're going to need to define "hyperbole" for Brandon so he knows how to properly respond to you in all caps.

Hyper bole- used to be known as the Lotrimin jock itch bowl but they had a tough time getting sponsors so they changed it.

 

[sschind]

You were in college for 13 years?!

Wow! What kind of doctor are you?!

I would guess a proctologist but that would be too easy.

 

[Dantés]

Hyper bole- used to be known as the Lotrimin jock itch bowl but they had a tough time getting sponsors so they changed it.

This is the epee toam of a good joke.

 

[Dantés]

I would guess a proctologist but that would be too easy.

You are on fire.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

I'm not telling you what I've read; I'm telling you what I've seen.

It's not a disqualifying weakness or anything but will be his biggest issue as a rookie.

It's one reason why I would prefer Brown. But he certainly does fit the big slot mould.

Could play in the slot in the NFL, but I wouldn't pigeon hole him there.

Not every WR I like am I thinking about for the slot position. I don't think only in terms of perceived "need" like some, but yes he is quite capable of playing both outside and in the slot.

 

[Dantés]

Could play in the slot in the NFL, but I wouldn't pigeon hole him there.

Not every WR I like am I thinking about for the slot position. I don't think only in terms of perceived "need" like some, but yes he is quite capable of playing both outside and in the slot.

Lol. Hard for you to hit post reply without some little dig, huh? Did anyone say he was a slot only?

You created a thread all about big slots. I'm just commenting that he fits the mold. He could play inside, off the LOS and it could mitigate his press release issues.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

Lol. Hard for you to hit post reply without some little dig, huh? Did anyone say he was a slot only?

You created a thread all about big slots. I'm just commenting that he fits the mold. He could play inside, off the LOS and it could mitigate his press release issues.

I took a dig at you?

Trust me, you will know wihout question if I take a dig at you. I have no problem at all with you. It's not like I pulled a keyboard warrior move like claiming you were "butthurt" or anything.

 

[GleefulGary]

Ladies, ladies...let's all chill and get an Appletini ok? Ok.

 

[Passepartout]

Yeah we all need to chill indeed. But hopefully get a safety that is a franchise player.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

The bench press is a terrible measure of functional football strength, at TE or any position. There is zero correlation to the field.

George Kittle-- same position, same program-- did one more rep than Hockenson and he's one of the best young blockers in the game.

Did you watch him before coming to this conclusion?

Nope. Just reading scouting reports saying he'll need to gain strength to keep up his blocking skills in the NFL.

 

[sschind]

I took a dig at you?

Trust me, you will know wihout question if I take a dig at you. I have no problem at all with you. It's not like I pulled a keyboard warrior move like claiming you were "butthurt" or anything.

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[Dantés]

Nope. Just reading scouting reports saying he'll need to gain strength to keep up his blocking skills in the NFL.

Virtually player entering the NFL will need to hit their team's S & C program to gain strength and muscle mass. But if someone is watching Hockenson play and comes away thinking a strength deficiency is a big part of his profile, they don't know what they're looking at.

 

[OldSchool101]

Virtually player entering the NFL will need to hit their team's S & C program to gain strength and muscle mass. But if someone is watching Hockenson play and comes away thinking a strength deficiency is a big part of his profile, they don't know what they're looking at.

No doubt. He manhandled some of the lesser D lineman and routinely pushed around guys 30-40 pounds heavier than himself. I wouldn’t be worried about him at all in the NFL as far as being strength deficient. Plus all these guys are still kids, they’ll fill out and gain strength through expert strength conditioning that first couple of years at the professional level.

 

[longtimefan]

Quite frankly, it's because you're stupid.

Have a great day!

That won't do

You were warned

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Amos covers ground like very few can?

That is not how I would describe him. He's super solid in coverage, especially for a SS, but you really wouldn't want him in single high a lot.

I think he can play some FS in some schemes, but he's best as a very versatile SS.

Amos can definitely play free safety as he lined up there on 62.5% of his defensive snaps last season.

You were bandstanding to get Amos to help out on the back end and now you NEED MORE and want a free safety and bring Amos in the box for 9 million.

You were the one advocating for the Packers to sign Collins for $14 million per season who actually can't line up at free safety.

I might have to retire everything with the Packers if they draft him at 12.

I'm on board with the Packers drafting Hockenson at #12 after reading that as well.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

I am new here, but from the get go I thought it was painfully obvious that Brandon really wants Hock to be drafted by the Pack, but he enjoys the attention he receives by trolling everyone about it.

That and any other wildly differing opinion that he knows will get a rise out of the crowd.

Trolling 101 really.

 

[GleefulGary]

Amos can definitely play free safety as he lined up there on 62.5% of his defensive snaps last season.



You were the one advocating for the Packers to sign Collins for $14 million per season who actually can't line up at free safety.



I'm on board with the Packers drafting Hockenson at #12 after reading that as well.

How many snaps did Eddie Jackson take at FS last year? I'm not on PFF, so I'm just curious, because on film it definitely looks like Jackson played FS way more than Amos.

Amos is super versatile, and he can play FS, but he can't play single high (most can't). I just think he's better at SS. He is certainly an above average FS in most schemes though.

 

[brandon2348]

Nope. Just reading scouting reports saying he'll need to gain strength to keep up his blocking skills in the NFL.

He definitely doesn't pass the EYE TEST of the 12th pick.

I don't see the lower body anchor to overcompensate for lack of upper body strength.

 

[brandon2348]

You were the one advocating for the Packers to sign Collins for $14 million per season who actually can't line up at free safety.

l.

I'll take the GAME CHANGER every time and that is obviously Collins.

The argument for taking Amos was that he could play FS so to hear people now want to make him a box ssfety is ridiculous.

 

[Dantés]

Amos is a combo safety who can and has played both strong and free. Some see his strengths leaning more towards deep responsibilities while others see them leaning more towards the LOS. But he can do both and his versatility fits Pettine well.

 

[rodell330]

I didn't leave out the sacks. Those are included in the TFL's. I didn't include fumble recoveries, because those are more a function of happenstance then playmaking ability. I have watched his tape. He's good. He's just not what the Packers need.

How is he “Not what the Packers need” when we were one of the worst teams at pressuring the QB, and he’s near the top at pressuring the QB?

 

[Dantés]

How is he “Not what the Packers need” when we were one of the worst teams at pressuring the QB, and he’s near the top at pressuring the QB?

Pressuring the QB with defensive backs is more about play design and defensive approach than it is about the player's actual skill set.

The Packers obviously did most of their work addressing the pressure problem when they spent buco bucks on the Smith bros.

What the Packers need is a combo safety to play alongside Amos, preferably one whose strength complement the former.

They may well factor blitzing success in whatever prospect they target. But they should (and will, I'm sure) give a lot more weight to the primary responsibility: coverage.

I see Rapp as a dime LB type of player. I think he's a great run defender. You can send him after the QB. He can cover a little bit. But coverage is his weaker area, not his stronger one. So when I say that I don't think he's what the Packers need, that's what I mean.

 

[Fat Dogs]

What's funny is that we basically want the exact same things, we just have a different read on the players.

If I understand you, we both want two combo safeties who are versatile enough to play both high and low and who give Pettine's the versatility to be multiple.

The difference is that you see Rapp as that combo guy, while I think he's more strictly a down safety. And I see Thornhill as that combo guy, while you think he's more strictly a high safety. And we both see Amos as a combo safety, but I think his strengths are bigger player low and you think his strengths are playing high.

Suffice it to say we agree that we should find a running mate for Amos in this class.

Thats correct except I see Amos’s versatility as his strength. I’d hate to draft a prototypical FS and not give Pettine the option to move Amos around. I’m glad we are on the same page.