The Jordan Love Era Begins

Will Jordan Love be 3 in a row for the Packers?

  • Yes, he's a FHOF Player

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • He'll be pro bowl good but not FHOF good

    Votes: 20 27.8%
  • He'll be average

    Votes: 12 16.7%
  • No, he'll be a below average bust

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Too early to Tell

    Votes: 32 44.4%

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I read about Preston SMith bull rushing against Musgrave. Well, duh, I'm hoping we won't be putting our TEs one on one on their DEs. I kind of wonder why they aren't having our #1 pick playing with the 2s instead of the 3s. Bak hardly played. Nijman at starting L tackle I don't like. I would put Tom there every time.
 
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Everyone in the know say it’s the same thing every year. Offense comes out sluggish vs Defense. Seems like it can even bleed into the first couple games. I can’t count how many times we start 0-1 or 1-2 or get blown out early with a dysfunctional Offense

Don’t put much stock into early anything these guys are just warming up. I fully expect a couple of tough patches on n off into the 2nd quarter of the season (6-8 games). If we can get out D to come out strong early and steal a couple low scoring Wins would be ideal.
 
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Meh. I'm camp "most likely the offense will be a mess this year," but this is day 2 of camp. Could just be jitters, could just be trying things while the stakes are low. Could be receivers are on a different page. Could be the general lack of talent at pass catcher. All would do well to withhold judgement until he takes game snaps.

Don't get too low, don't get too high.
Remember that Mahomes threw 7 INTs in his first 6 training camp sessions.

Is our defense that good?
That's a good point. Should we be concerned Love isn't lighting it up against Joe Barry? :D
 

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I read about Preston SMith bull rushing against Musgrave. Well, duh, I'm hoping we won't be putting our TEs one on one on their DEs. I kind of wonder why they aren't having our #1 pick playing with the 2s instead of the 3s. Bak hardly played. Nijman at starting L tackle I don't like. I would put Tom there every time.

Early reports were Tom starting at RT. If he's one of the best 5, start him there.

Bhak played day 1. Again, according to reports, he's healthy but they are being ultra-cautious.
 

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I'm not so sure about that. I think he will be so afraid of picks he will only throw when a receiver is wide open. Or will throw the ball away to where no one can catch it. It will lead to plenty of sacks (from holding the ball) or incompletions. Neither of which are good, but both of which are better than getting picked off.
Sounds more like the guy he is following.
 

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Early reports were Tom starting at RT. If he's one of the best 5, start him there.

Bhak played day 1. Again, according to reports, he's healthy but they are being ultra-cautious.
Yes, I realize that. Just pointing out that pass pro was probably not what it should have been. And yes, I hope Tom starts at R tackle. Just thinking that if the left side is empty; he should probably be there. But sure, if Tom is starting on the right side; let him get all the reps there.
 

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Yes, I realize that. Just pointing out that pass pro was probably not what it should have been. And yes, I hope Tom starts at R tackle. Just thinking that if the left side is empty; he should probably be there. But sure, if Tom is starting on the right side; let him get all the reps there.
I can't help but believe that Bakh is only going to be ending up a part time player on the left side, and the Packers need to prepare Tom, and someone else to play there, and a replacement for Tom if he needs to move to the left. So much uncertainty surrounding Bakh.
 
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I’m hoping we can get Rhyan acclimated. He could be a really good interior Lineman from the 3rd Round last year.
Break the curse baby! :eek:
 

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I can't help but believe that Bakh is only going to be ending up a part time player on the left side, and the Packers need to prepare Tom, and someone else to play there, and a replacement for Tom if he needs to move to the left. So much uncertainty surrounding Bakh.
I believe that this will be his last year in Green and Gold. Pretty much impossible to get out from under his current contract this year. I don't see the Packers taking a $40+ M cap hit on him next season. However, they will still will have to take a $19M dead cap hit, whether they trade or cut him.

I guess if he has a relatively injury free and very productive 2023, a restructure might occur, but I would say the odds are against that happening.

I realize that my negative opinion of Bahk's new contract back in 2020 wasn't popular then or probably now, but tying up almost $100M on a non-QB, over 4 years, even as good as Bahk was, just seems risky. $23M per year can buy you several decent players. Further, an injury to said player, which we saw, really punches a team in the face. The other problem I had with his new deal, they did it halfway into the 2020 season, before his old contract was up, he got injured and here we are.
 
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I believe that this will be his last year in Green and Gold. Pretty much impossible to get out from under his current contract this year. I don't see the Packers taking a $40+ M cap hit on him next season. However, they will still will have to take a $19M dead cap hit, whether they trade or cut him.

I guess if he has a relatively injury free and very productive 2023, a restructure might occur, but I would say the odds are against that happening.

I realize that my negative opinion of Bahk's new contract back in 2020 wasn't popular then or probably now, but tying up almost $100M on a non-QB, over 4 years, even as good as Bahk was, just seems risky. $23M per year can buy you several decent players. Further, an injury to said player, which we saw, really punches a team in the face. The other problem I had with his new deal, they did it halfway into the 2020 season, before his old contract was up, he got injured and here we are.
Yeah. It’s an expensive and frustrating learning lesson. Here’s a guy already on contract that nobody can touch. I know it’s done but we should wait as long as possible and this is why.
If the player or representation tried to pressure us, just say we can give you on non premium offer now if you force our hand, but realize it’ll factor increased risk on our part. We recommend being patient on the player side and well prioritize this before next season.

It’s not like that player can leave. Maybe not as crucial on smaller contracts, but after all this I’m waiting until after the season is over. On those mega deals. $50Mil+ etc. As long as we learn from it ok, but please dear Lord don’t go through this again with Gary etc.
 

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Yeah. It’s an expensive and frustrating learning lesson. Here’s a guy already on contract that nobody can touch. I know it’s done but we should wait as long as possible and this is why.
If the player or representation tried to pressure us, just say we can give you on non premium offer now if you force our hand, but realize it’ll factor increased risk on our part. We recommend being patient on the player side and well prioritize this before next season.

It’s not like that player can leave. Maybe not as crucial on smaller contracts, but after all this I’m waiting until after the season is over. On those mega deals. $50Mil+ etc. As long as we learn from it ok, but please dear Lord don’t go through this again with Gary etc.
I remember debating this with captain back in 2020. He argued that it showed bad faith not to resign a guy as good as Bahk early (8 games into his final year). I get it, but if good faith goes both ways, then such a contract should include way less guaranteed money and/or a clause like "takes effect on expiration of existing contract, if both parties still except." That is premium money and the Packers did not have a premium level player during the length of the contract.

I know "whatever the market bares" or "another team would have gladly stepped up and paid it". Not saying that it isn't the way the NFL operates, just something I do not particularly like that the NFL has evolved to.
 

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I can't help but believe that Bakh is only going to be ending up a part time player on the left side, and the Packers need to prepare Tom, and someone else to play there, and a replacement for Tom if he needs to move to the left. So much uncertainty surrounding Bakh.
"Early reports" say Tom is currently the starting RT, with Nijman working both sides with the 2nd string. If Bakhtiari goes down for any length of time would guess shift Tom to LT & Nijman at RT, but short term roll with Nijman as temporary LT.

Other news... OLB Garvin released today (on his 24th B-day) because quality & depth at OLB don't warrant his skills anymore.
 

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It’s not like that player can leave. Maybe not as crucial on smaller contracts, but after all this I’m waiting until after the season is over. On those mega deals. $50Mil+ etc. As long as we learn from it ok, but please dear Lord don’t go through this again with Gary etc.
This can't be stressed enough. While you don't like seeing it happen on smaller contracts, the negative effect on the team is far less when it does. Teams are now willing to pay guys more guaranteed money than any star player saw in a career 20 or less years ago. An amount that sets a player, his family and a small island up for a lifetime. Who's paying for it? Well just like casinos, the owners aren't using their own money to build them, they are counting on users (us the fans) to continue to pour more money into the business.
 

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"Early reports" say Tom is currently the starting RT, with Nijman working both sides with the 2nd string. If Bakhtiari goes down for any length of time would guess shift Tom to LT & Nijman at RT, but short term roll with Nijman as temporary LT.

Other news... OLB Garvin released today (on his 24th B-day) because quality & depth at OLB don't warrant his skills anymore.
Cutting Garvin does speak about better depth. That's a good sign.

The tackle situation, as you described is probably dead on. They need to stick with it, but, they need depth beyond that rotation I'd think.
 
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I remember debating this with captain back in 2020. He argued that it showed bad faith not to resign a guy as good as Bahk early (8 games into his final year). I get it, but if good faith goes both ways, then such a contract should include way less guaranteed money and/or a clause like "takes effect on expiration of existing contract, if both parties still except." That is premium money and the Packers did not have a premium level player during the length of the contract.

I know "whatever the market bares" or "another team would have gladly stepped up and paid it". Not saying that it isn't the way the NFL operates, just something I do not particularly like that the NFL has evolved to.
Yeah. My concern level is relative to the contract level. Obviously if I have a Rasul Douglas guy take stage, I’m glad to give him a 3X21 a little earlier (as his worth could rise significantly) especially if it’s 50% guaranteed. But when you get to top 5 level contracts? I agree those should be arranged to protect the Employer against this type of Bak scenario.
This is nothing personal. I mean no ill will towards any player including Bak. He’s always seemed like a decent guy and I listen to him and he’s pretty reasonable. I’m pretty sure he would’ve still taken that same deal if it had a clause that said upon missing 50% of playing time inside 2 seasons, the remaining guaranteed reduces by 50% etc.
$25m per should be for player performance, not for a retirement or pension fund or medical supplemental.
 
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I mean no ill will towards any player including Bak. He’s always seemed like a decent guy and I listen to him and he’s pretty reasonable. I’m pretty sure he would’ve still taken that same deal if it had a clause that said upon missing 50% of playing time inside 2 seasons, the remaining guaranteed reduces by 50% etc.
As much as I would like to agree with you, this just doesn't seem how NFL contracts work anymore. Not debating that if they did, Bahk probably is fine with it, but I don't see an agent agreeing to it, since it also might cut into his bottom line.
 

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When it comes to NFL contracts, there's always some team out there willing to open the vault for a player, and guarantee them too much, because they think it's the key to winning a Lombardi Trophy.

The fact is, the best usage of the money is to develop players in your system, and plug them in, and use their leaving as additional draft picks, to improve your team. Then, at the same time, look for plug and play one or two year players, who can help you fill out your roster substantially, with only semi-guaranteed mid-range contracts. If you can't find them, you have to work with those a little lower in the ranks to get where they need to be to fill holes.

This overpaying players has turned into a fool's game.
 

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Cutting Garvin does speak about better depth. That's a good sign.

The tackle situation, as you described is probably dead on. They need to stick with it, but, they need depth beyond that rotation I'd think.
Either he came in 40 lbs over weight and smelling of pot and stale beer or the Packers are really liking what they are seeing of Cox, Van Ness, Engabare, and Hollins. I'm thinking the latter and they want Garvin to have a chance catching on another team so they made a decision now.
 

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The problem with not signing guys early is the can (and do) get miffed. There is a cost associated with not doing so.

This is why we lost Adams. Sure, Rodgers uncertainty played into it, but the org was unwilling to offer an extension. And then he refused to sign with them. Didn't matter that we offered more that the Raiders, the relationship was tainted and he left.

Sure, that was one guy, but make it a pattern and suddenly you're the org that plays this game. You become a less desirable free agent landing spot or your own FAs are more inclined to play hardball.
 

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The problem with not signing guys early is the can (and do) get miffed. There is a cost associated with not doing so.

This is why we lost Adams. Sure, Rodgers uncertainty played into it, but the org was unwilling to offer an extension. And then he refused to sign with them. Didn't matter that we offered more that the Raiders, the relationship was tainted and he left.

Sure, that was one guy, but make it a pattern and suddenly you're the org that plays this game. You become a less desirable free agent landing spot or your own FAs are more inclined to play hardball.
We could debate all day on Adams, but I think both he and A-Rod already had one foot out the door. Also, given what played out, I am just fine with what we got for Davante and not be saddled with his salary. He started his grumbling in Vegas barely after one season. Sounds like he wants out.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/davante-adams-aaron-rodgers-new-rumor-life/
 

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It’s not like that player can leave. Maybe not as crucial on smaller contracts, but after all this I’m waiting until after the season is over. On those mega deals. $50Mil+ etc. As long as we learn from it ok, but please dear Lord don’t go through this again with Gary etc.

Be prepared for it to happen again. The top 7 contracts for EDGE make 20M+ per year. The lowest fully-guaranteed number is 26M and even that contract has "total guarantees" of 53 million. ( I assume this is signing bonus vs. roster bonus games)

Chubb is probably your closest analog. $110,000,000 total, $22,000,000 yearly average, $63,212,444 total Guarantee, $33,462,444
Fully Guaranteed, 2028 UFA, 27 years old today.
 

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