The Jordan Love Era Begins

[JK64]

Jordan Love's progress

We hope.

 

[JK64]

Love wasn't even able to challenge Rodgers in his third season with AR playing with a broken thumb for 12 games.

Yes, this is alarming.

 

[JK64]

You're seriously suggesting the Packers would have considered benching Rodgers for Love last season due to his thumb injury, when it's not even certain to many people that the injury affected his game at all?

It sure looked like his thumb was a big problem. Rodgers was missing many passes he NEVER missed before.

 

[JK64]

This is going to be strange for me this year. This will be the first time in 30 years we haven't had a quarterback who is arguably the best in the NFL, or at least top three or five. I barely remember what it's like not having a HOF quarterback, unless it's like the gory years. What are we supposed to do, hope that Love pulls off a Trent Dilfer?

Good point. The way some people talk about Rodgers is ridiculous. He's a great football player. We were lucky to have him. Look at the hell the Patriots are going through after getting rid of Brady.

 

[JK64]

Once again, Gute surrounded him with enough talent to win 13 games in 3 straight seasons. If the offensive talent around him was so much better before that, why was he never able to come close to that at any other point in his career? BTW, that's a rhetorical question. I don't actually expect an honest answer from you, but knock yourself out.

You seem to forget some of the horrific special teams plays that ended Rodgers' playoff runs.

 

[rmontro]

You seem to forget some of the horrific special teams plays that ended Rodgers' playoff runs.

All those losses were team efforts.

 

[thequick12]

I mean I dont see anyone arguing Rodgers wasn't/isn't a dck...you seem to be hung up on that part of it

In 15 years if Love too is FHOF player nearing the end...will he too be a dck? Maybe, probably, who cares...I just hope we win more than 1 sb this time!

 

[JK64]

If that was true.. why would they give Love a $22m contract extension?

They had no choice. They have no one else at this time to play QB.

 

[JK64]

All those losses were team efforts.

You mean special team efforts.

 

[JK64]

I mean I dont see anyone arguing Rodgers wasn't/isn't a dck...you seem to be hung up on that part of it

In 15 years if Love too is FHOF player nearing the end...will he too be a dck? Maybe, probably, who cares...I just hope we win more than 1 sb this time!

Yeah, Brady turned into a dck.

 

[JK64]

Yeah, the Patriots having the best defense in football in 2016 had absolutely nothing to do with that. It was solely Garropolo light a fire under Brady's ***

Your a stats guy. Check Brady's numbers for that year and the year before.

 

[Pkrjones]

Good point. The way some people talk about Rodgers is ridiculous. He's a great football player. We were lucky to have him. Look at the hell the Patriots are going through after getting rid of Brady.

Love was the 4th QB taken in '20 and sat, learning & maturing behind a future HOF'r for 3 years. Mac Jones was the 5th QB taken in '21 and thrown in to start from day 1. I'm glad NE hasn't had any success with that approach. I believe Love will perform significantly better than a 1st year rookie.

 

[OldSchool101]

They had no choice. They have no one else at this time to play QB.

That is not true. Teams always have choices at QB. Love is obviously our best choice as we’ve studied him, drafted him and developed him.

If there’s any desperation that I’ve seen? it’s in Rodgers most staunch supporters and their futile attempts at disparaging Love in such a non effective way. The incessant whole “broken thumb” argument is such a weak attempt at demeaning Love that it really almost doesn’t deserve a dignified answer. It’s probably one of the weakest arguments I’ve seen this year (on any topic). I’m embarrassed I responded and gave it any credence kinda desperate.

 

[JK64]

Love is obviously our best choice as we’ve studied him, drafted him and developed him.

Yet to be determined.

 

[longtimefan]

Just love how people (here and radio ) say Packers think Love is the next hof qb

Just laughable

 

[thequick12]

Just love how people (here and radio ) say Packers think Love is the next hof qb

Just laughable

I've not said the Packers think that...however I will say that I think that. Love is gonna be 3 in a row

Getting close to time to find out Im excited

 

[longtimefan]

I've not said the Packers think that...however I will say that I think that. Love is gonna be 3 in a row

Getting close to time to find out Im excited

Ones that hate the love pic are so extreme and sarcastic.

 

[gopkrs]

Love was the 4th QB taken in '20 and sat, learning & maturing behind a future HOF'r for 3 years. Mac Jones was the 5th QB taken in '21 and thrown in to start from day 1. I'm glad NE hasn't had any success with that approach. I believe Love will perform significantly better than a 1st year rookie.

who knows what would have happened with Garoppolo if they would have moved on from Brady like I think Belichek wanted to do. Would have gotten draft picks and Belichek could have taught Garoppolo to play the way he wanted him to. Yes, they got one more superbowl but like Pkrjones said, they haven't had much success.

 

[Schultz]

Ones that hate the love pic are so extreme and sarcastic.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yet to be determined.

Not really.
Which other QB is a better choice than Love right now?
If you don’t answer that with a name, then you’ve agreed by default there isn’t a better choice.

 

[tynimiller]

Yes, you do that all the time. But that doesn't mean you're anywhere close to being capable of fairly evaluating a person's character based on it.





I try to be as polite as possible in my response to that. But it's pretty obvious that there's something seriously wrong with all of you when you truly suggest it's the same to advocate not to evaluate the character of a football player who hasn't had any legal issues and a leader who was responsible for killing millions of people.



Well, when you're still the best in the world at your job at age 89 it might be smart for your employer to keep you for another year.



No, I will consider drafting Love a mistake if he doesn't end up leading the Packers to a Super Bowl. Period.



Rodgers hasn't had a decent #2 receiver ever since Gutekunst took over. The Packers rode the QB's coattail to three consecutive 13 win seasons despite lacking talent at pass catcher.



First of all the Packers wouldn't have needed Higgins to have 900 receiving yards as a rookie to be an upgrade over a quarterback who wasn't even active for a single game that season. In addition Rodgers' track record of throwing to rookies is heavily tainted because the team had a ton of weapons early in his career but once they didn't anymore he wasn't provided with enough talent to target a rookie a ton.



Love wasn't even able to challenge Rodgers in his third season with AR playing with a broken thumb for 12 games.



That is still completely unknown.



Once again, I understand that fans were upset with the selection of Rodgers back in 2005 as well. While it's true that selecting another player instead could have resulted in the Packers winning the Super Bowl in 2007 (let's be honest they didn't stand a chance in '05 and '06) the team found itself in a completely different situation at the time they picked Rodgers. Favre was mulling retirement for years, they were in cap hell and hadn't made it to the NFCCG in seven consecutive seasons. They were bound for a rebuild as evidenced by them going 4-12 despite Favre playing in every single game.

In addition Rodgers developing into another HOF quarterback means diddly-squat for how the selection of Love will end up working out.

As a side note, Rodgers was surrounded by a ton of offensive talent up until 2017. He wasn't ever since. Gutekunst doesn't deserve any credit for Thompson providing enough pass catchers before he took over as the team's general manager though.

Oh come on seriously?? After all the **** Rodgers and Gute exchanged and then the team anchoring itself to Rodgers and a push for the last two seasons of kicking the can….there was ZERO chance the organization was going to go to Love unless Rodgers himself medically couldn’t play or said he was not starting.

 

[OldSchool101]

Oh come on seriously?? After all the **** Rodgers and Gute exchanged and then the team anchoring itself to Rodgers and a push for the last two seasons of kicking the can….there was ZERO chance the organization was going to go to Love unless Rodgers himself medically couldn’t play or said he was not starting.

exactly. It didn’t occur to me until it Marinated. The broken thumb argument is just totally grasping for air.

I suppose if your drowning just pull someone under with you to make your own lonely death feel relevant.

 

[longtimefan]

Ones that hate the love pic are so extreme and sarcastic.

Show me

 

[pacmaniac]

The coaching staff decided that Rodgers playing with a broken thumb gives the team a better chance of winning than a healthy Love. That's all you need to know about Love not being a real competition for Rodgers.

Maybe it was pretty close and Rodgers edged out Love. We don't know. Or maybe the coaching staff realized that fans like you would go berserk if they replaced Rodgers with Love.

The Jets didn't give up two first rounders because of Rodgers' age not because of his skills having declined.

That's what I said: "That is not a certainty, given Rodgers' age. That's why the Jets did not give up 2 first-round picks..."

That's why I'm so grateful for posters like you who are that knowledgeable about the game that it's a joy to read all of your takes on it.

Perhaps you should live up to your declaration a few months ago that you would no longer respond to me, or even just put me on ignore if you don't like my takes?

You were the one who brought up that the broken thumb didn't affect Rodgers' performance. Why on earth would you do that if you don't want to insist there's some truth to it?

What I said is that there are other people who think the injury did not affect his performance, which was in the context of the possibility of benching Rodgers. I don't know what MLF thought about that. Maybe he thought it did, or maybe he thought it didn't. MLF is not immune to having some strange beliefs (e.g. thinking that Joe Barry is worthy of remaining the Packers defensive coordinator).

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That’s pretty funny. I don’t think our staff was thinking that at all and I’m 99% sure Matt would get a laugh out if that. If that was true.. why would they give Love a $22m contract extension?

It was Aarons choice then and it was Aaron’s choice yesterday. Fortunately for us it’s not about Aaron choice anymore, he’s history. Its about time we get back to a team mentality.

If Love would have given the Packers a better chance of winning than Rodgers with a broken thumb MLF should have definitely played him. Otherwise he doesn't have what it takes to be a head coach in the NFL.

Just for the record, the Packers didn't guarantee Love $22 million but only $13.5 million which is significantly less than the fifth year option would have paid him. He can earn another $9 million in incentives though.

Maybe by you. But I'll see your Brady and raise you a Starr, and Starr never did any of those things.

I was obviously talking about players who have played during Rodgers tenure in Green Bay.

So given that Aaron Rodgers is no longer a Packer, which was decided by the Packers (Not Rodgers) and Love is, we can now assume that the Packers have since decided that Love is the better option? What changed since those 5 games?

The Packers are definitely well aware that Rodgers would give them a better chance of winning games in 2023 as well. But there were other factors (mainly money) which decided that it was smart to move forward with Love.

Your a stats guy. Check Brady's numbers for that year and the year before.

Brady put up pretty good numbers from 2014-16 with Garropolo as his backup. But aside of one season in 2016 they weren't much better than his average.

If there’s any desperation that I’ve seen? it’s in Rodgers most staunch supporters and their futile attempts at disparaging Love in such a non effective way. The incessant whole “broken thumb” argument is such a weak attempt at demeaning Love that it really almost doesn’t deserve a dignified answer. It’s probably one of the weakest arguments I’ve seen this year (on any topic). I’m embarrassed I responded and gave it any credence kinda desperate.

Nobody is disparaging Love at all. It's a fact the coaching staff didn't deem him good enough to play over Rodgers with a broken thumb though.

Oh come on seriously?? After all the **** Rodgers and Gute exchanged and then the team anchoring itself to Rodgers and a push for the last two seasons of kicking the can….there was ZERO chance the organization was going to go to Love unless Rodgers himself medically couldn’t play or said he was not starting.

Once again, I would have expected the team to start Love over Rodgers if they deemed him to be a better choice. They obviously didn't believe that to be the case.

Maybe it was pretty close and Rodgers edged out Love. We don't know. Or maybe the coaching staff realized that fans like you would go berserk if they replaced Rodgers with Love.

I wouldn't have complained if the coaching staff decided it was best to start Love over an injured Rodgers at all.

Perhaps you should live up to your declaration a few months ago that you would no longer respond to me, or even just put me on ignore if you don't like my takes?

I don't put any posters on ignore as I'm capable of dealing with someone having a different opinion. I'm quite sure I never mentioned that I won't reply to you in the future either, most likely that was meant on a specific topic.

What I said is that there are other people who think the injury did not affect his performance, which was in the context of the possibility of benching Rodgers. I don't know what MLF thought about that. Maybe he thought it did, or maybe he thought it didn't. MLF is not immune to having some strange beliefs (e.g. thinking that Joe Barry is worthy of remaining the Packers defensive coordinator).

I'm absolutely convinced that everyone who took a realistic approach to the situation was well aware that a broken thumb on his throwing hand significantly affected Rodgers' performance.