The Jordan Love Era Begins

Will Jordan Love be 3 in a row for the Packers?

  • Yes, he's a FHOF Player

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • He'll be pro bowl good but not FHOF good

    Votes: 20 27.8%
  • He'll be average

    Votes: 12 16.7%
  • No, he'll be a below average bust

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Too early to Tell

    Votes: 32 44.4%

  • Total voters
    72
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-Poker will forever want a WR with our first pick in every draft from here till eternity
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Poker just wants a receiver room that doesn't look like a Saved By The Bell rerun.

Had Gute created an offensive that had the kind of weapons that the 49'ers had last season or the Seahawks now have, Rodgers would have shredded most defenses.
 
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Underdogs against the Bears to start the Love era hmm idk about that cant wait to see the game
 
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Poker just wants a receiver room that doesn't look like a Saved By The Bell rerun.

Had Gute created an offensive that had the kind of weapons that the 49'ers had last season or the Seahawks now have, Rodgers would have shredded most defenses.
I think maybe you hit on something there. Aaron Rodgers is absolutely a great QB, but not necessarily the best QB fit for our form of Offense (or maybe the other way around). That’s not meant to be derogatory. Aaron could’ve bern ultra explosive on a team like the 49ers after adding McCaffrey.
 

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Once again, you need to consider that Rodgers played most of last season with a broken thumb while completely lacking talent at pass catchers compared to most other teams.
So you are speculating that Rodgers would have had as good of a season in 2022 as he did in 2021 if not for those reasons. That is not a certainty, given Rodgers' age. That's why the Jets did not give up 2 first-round picks for him as the Packers were initially hoping based off the Stafford and Wilson trades.

It should be pretty obvious to everybody that someone suggesting a broken thumb on his throwing hand doesn't affect the performance of a quarterback is completely wrong.
How can you know what is obvious to everybody when you haven't interacted with everybody? Rodgers even made a good point midway through the season saying that he didn't think the thumb injury was affecting him because he still played a great game against Dallas, and that he's played well through worse injuries before.

You seem to completely lack a sense of humor.
You overestimate your sense of humor if you think your signature is funny. It is actually more truthful than funny.

I was obviously talking considering Rodgers had to play with a broken thumb last season. While I understand you truly believe that didn't affect his performance because another poster suggested something like that it's pretty obvious it made a huge difference for everybody capable of taking a realistic approach to the situation.
I am on the record saying I believe the injury was part of the reason for his relatively poor 2022. Even the other day I said it was not my belief that the injury had no impact on his performance. Of course I am willing to admit that my belief that the injury had some impact on his performance might be wrong. But the fact that you are putting words in my mouth shows that you are not arguing in good faith.

Fully healthy, Rodgers is still on of the best QBs in the league.
We don't know that right now, given that there could have been multiple reasons for his relatively poor 2022 season - some of it could have been because of his thumb, but some of it also may have been due to age-related decline. We won't know if Rodgers is still one of the best QBs in the league until we see him play next season.
 
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I’m not sure the Coaching staff looks at it like that. Rodgers deserves the respect as our QB1 and we paid him accordingly to be that QB1. I think they check with the Physician ti ensure Aaron’s safety isn’t compromised. The Coaching Staff surely asks Aaron if he feels good enough to play.

The coaching staff decided that Rodgers playing with a broken thumb gives the team a better chance of winning than a healthy Love. That's all you need to know about Love not being a real competition for Rodgers.

Once again, Gute surrounded him with enough talent to win 13 games in 3 straight seasons. If the offensive talent around him was so much better before that, why was he never able to come close to that at any other point in his career? BTW, that's a rhetorical question. I don't actually expect an honest answer from you, but knock yourself out.

While the Packers finished first in points scored once in those three years with Rodgers playing out of his mind in 2020 you need to realize that they weren't among the best teams in that area both in '19 and '21. Gutekunst was able to field a decent defense in those three years though, something Rodgers hasn't had for most of his tenure in Green Bay. The talent on offense surrounding Rodgers was marginal for the most part though.

Yet he still managed to find creative ways to **** away HFA two years in a row.

Well, actually you're the one being creative pinning both of those losses solely on Rodgers despite the fact that there were other players significantly more responsible for the Packers losing those games.

Well at least you admit Rodgers is a liar, if nothing else. When asked about the injury back in late November, he said, ""It doesn't make a difference. You saw the tape on my thumb. Didn't make a difference."

You're being extremely naive when thinking that anyone in the league is telling the truth about injuries during the season.

He's probably talking about me. It's personal observations. Scowling at the sidelines while on the field; throwing teammates under the bus; hands on hips if a play fails;
general body language not as bad as Jay cutler, but not good either. Standing or sitting by himself when we are on defense rather than going over stuff with WRs or the talking to OC. Maybe more obvious in the stadium, but it is a huge contrast to other QBs.

Brady is considered the best leader in the history of the sport. Interestingly I have seen him do all those things as well.

So you are speculating that Rodgers would have had as good of a season in 2022 as he did in 2021 if not for those reasons. That is not a certainty, given Rodgers' age. That's why the Jets did not give up 2 first-round picks for him as the Packers were initially hoping based off the Stafford and Wilson trades.

The Jets didn't give up two first rounders because of Rodgers' age not because of his skills having declined.

How can you know what is obvious to everybody when you haven't interacted with everybody? Rodgers even made a good point midway through the season saying that he didn't think the thumb injury was affecting him because he still played a great game against Dallas, and that he's played well through worse injuries before.

It's common sense to realize that a broken thumb affects someone who is throwing a ball with that hand.

You overestimate your sense of humor if you think your signature is funny. It is actually more truthful than funny.

That's why I'm so grateful for posters like you who are that knowledgeable about the game that it's a joy to read all of your takes on it.

I am on the record saying I believe the injury was part of the reason for his relatively poor 2022. Even the other day I said it was not my belief that the injury had no impact on his performance. Of course I am willing to admit that my belief that the injury had some impact on his performance might be wrong. But the fact that you are putting words in my mouth shows that you are not arguing in good faith.

You were the one who brought up that the broken thumb didn't affect Rodgers' performance. Why on earth would you do that if you don't want to insist there's some truth to it?
 

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Oh well, that's a whole thread to itself (and I'm sure there's a "Fire Joe Barry" thread floating around here somewhere, not too far down). Yeah, if we're going to start winning a new way, we've got to get that defense buttoned down at least. It would only be about 12 years too late.



I was going to say that I thought I heard that McMahon sold his Packer Super Bowl ring, but I couldn't find verification for it, so I won't :) But this article points out that not only did he finish his career as a Packer, he said it was the best organization he ever played for.

But when the '96 team went to the White House, he wore his Bears jersey. Because his '85 Bears team got overlooked when the Challenger blew up.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...n-i-played-for-bears-are-where-qbs-go-to-die/

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/why-jim-mcmahon-wore-bears-jersey-packers-white-house-visit
That is true. And no one on the Packers had a problem with it. Jim was there if God forbid anything happened to Favre in those last several games. Doug Peterson was the other QB and was very green at the time. Jim liked what he saw in GB. As talented as that team was in 1996 it did not have the egos they had in Chitown. At least not at that time. The players were not out there doing shuffle dances, commercials, and their own radio-TV shows. It was a very unselfish team.
 

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So you are speculating that Rodgers would have had as good of a season in 2022 as he did in 2021 if not for those reasons. That is not a certainty, given Rodgers' age. That's why the Jets did not give up 2 first-round picks for him as the Packers were initially hoping based off the Stafford and Wilson trades.


How can you know what is obvious to everybody when you haven't interacted with everybody? Rodgers even made a good point midway through the season saying that he didn't think the thumb injury was affecting him because he still played a great game against Dallas, and that he's played well through worse injuries before.


You overestimate your sense of humor if you think your signature is funny. It is actually more truthful than funny.


I am on the record saying I believe the injury was part of the reason for his relatively poor 2022. Even the other day I said it was not my belief that the injury had no impact on his performance. Of course I am willing to admit that my belief that the injury had some impact on his performance might be wrong. But the fact that you are putting words in my mouth shows that you are not arguing in good faith.


We don't know that right now, given that there could have been multiple reasons for his relatively poor 2022 season - some of it could have been because of his thumb, but some of it also may have been due to age-related decline. We won't know if Rodgers is still one of the best QBs in the league until we see him play next season.
Maybe Rodgers and Favre can get together and talk broken thumbs. Would make for quite pregame show.
 

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Where did you hear he was a terrible leader? He was supposedly very supportive of Love and i don’t recall any players criticizing his leadership.
I don't think he was a terrible leader. I think he was a good leader. But I don't think that, among his considerable set of skills, that was one of his stronger points.
 
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The coaching staff decided that Rodgers playing with a broken thumb gives the team a better chance of winning than a healthy Love. That's all you need to know about Love not being a real competition for Rodgers.
That’s pretty funny. I don’t think our staff was thinking that at all and I’m 99% sure Matt would get a laugh out if that. If that was true.. why would they give Love a $22m contract extension?

It was Aarons choice then and it was Aaron’s choice yesterday. Fortunately for us it’s not about Aaron choice anymore, he’s history. Its about time we get back to a team mentality.

Although, in Rodger’s defense it takes two to Tango. I do think the man needed a new set of problems. There’s nothing wrong with that either as I’ve been there myself.
Change can be refreshing. I’m going to love him going up against Herbert and Mahomes and Allen and that kid from the movie Home Alone.. Burrow
 
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If they really believed in him it would have been a 5 year extension for 100+ :)

This was just a money saver over using the 5th year option for a good evaluative period before committing more.
 

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That’s pretty funny. I don’t think our staff was thinking that at all and I’m 99% sure Matt would get a laugh out if that. If that was true.. why would they give Love a $22m contract extension?

It was Aarons choice then and it was Aaron’s choice yesterday. Fortunately for us it’s not about Aaron choice anymore, he’s history. Its about time we get back to a team mentality.

Although, in Rodger’s defense it takes two to Tango. I do think the man needed a new set of problems. There’s nothing wrong with that either as I’ve been there myself.
Change can be refreshing. I’m going to love him going up against Herbert and Mahomes and Allen and that kid from the movie Home Alone.. Burrow

They believe Love can improve and become a good QB. It's irrefutable that last season they thought that Rodgers, with a broken thumb, was the better QB because they literally played Rodgers, with a broken thumb, over Love.
 
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If they really believed in him it would have been a 5 year extension for 100+ :)

This was just a money saver over using the 5th year option for a good evaluative period before committing more.
That’s true. So I guess with that logic, the Packers didn’t believe in Aaron Rodgers either.
As of May 12, 2008 (4th season) he was making $1.54Mil per season and left hanging on his rookie contract. So that means we must’ve thought he was a total flunkie or not worth as much as Love :laugh:
 
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That’s true. So I guess with that logic, the Packers didn’t believe in Aaron Rodgers either.
As of May 12, 2008 (4th season) he was making $1.54Mil per season and left hanging on his rookie contract. So that means we must’ve thought he was a total flunkie or not worth as much as Love :laugh:
Probably...

The big difference, there was no 5th year option at that time for Rodgers. It was literally extend a real big boy NFL contract or nothing. 2 months into his 4th year, they inked him 60+M

Love's 5th year option would have paid him more than the "extension". I don't really see it as evidence they believe in him more. It saved the team money. he still has to prove himself.
 
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2 months into his 4th year, they inked him 60+M
It was me being sarcastic saying Love is valued more than Rodgers. That sarcasm was referring to your logic that Jordan’s $22mil contract should’ve been 100Mil or implying that is proof we don’t believe in him very much (maybe you meant it sarcastically idk)

Your post I quoted above is the key to all of this. Aaron was half way into a season before we inked him. Love isn’t, we inked him with basically little knowledge whatsoever of pass or fail as a regular starter.

If they didn’t believe in Jordan Love there would be no 5th year option. There would be zero future contract.
I’d argue there are at minimum 13,000,000 million reasons why they inked Love without being halfway into a season.
 
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They believe Love can improve and become a good QB. It's irrefutable that last season they thought that Rodgers, with a broken thumb, was the better QB because they literally played Rodgers, with a broken thumb, over Love.
So given that Aaron Rodgers is no longer a Packer, which was decided by the Packers (Not Rodgers) and Love is, we can now assume that the Packers have since decided that Love is the better option? What changed since those 5 games?
 

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If Rodgers wasn’t going to cost us 60M or whatever it was next year, for being in the roster this year, I’m not so sure anything would have changed.
 

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It was me being sarcastic saying Love is valued more than Rodgers. That sarcasm was referring to your logic that Jordan’s $22mil contract should’ve been 100Mil or implying that is proof we don’t believe in him very much (maybe you meant it sarcastically idk)

Your post I quoted above is the key to all of this. Aaron was half way into a season before we inked him. Love isn’t, we inked him with basically little knowledge whatsoever of pass or fail as a regular starter.

If they didn’t believe in Jordan Love there would be no 5th year option. There would be zero future contract.
I’d argue there are at minimum 13,000,000 million reasons why they inked Love without being halfway into a season.
Of course they believe in him. They traded up to draft him. They’re going to give him a shot to prove them right or wrong.

If he’s halfway serviceable, we have cheaper control for another year. If he’s not, it’s only a mildly expensive mistake moving forward.
 
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Of course they believe in him. They traded up to draft him. They’re going to give him a shot to prove them right or wrong.

If he’s halfway serviceable, we have cheaper control for another year. If he’s not, it’s only a mildly expensive mistake moving forward.
Thats the Spirit Mondio!
 

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Probably...

The big difference, there was no 5th year option at that time for Rodgers. It was literally extend a real big boy NFL contract or nothing. 2 months into his 4th year, they inked him 60+M

Love's 5th year option would have paid him more than the "extension". I don't really see it as evidence they believe in him more. It saved the team money. he still has to prove himself.
They do what they have to do. Then and now. They can make a mistake but it seems to me they have gone about this whole difficult thing with Love and Money nicely.
 

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They do what they have to do. Then and now. They can make a mistake but it seems to me they have gone about this whole difficult thing with Love and Money nicely.
I think so too. I was merely pointing out that giving him an “extension” doesn’t really signify anything substantial at this point. They basically saved some money while sticking to what I believe was their original timeline in the first place.
 

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So given that Aaron Rodgers is no longer a Packer, which was decided by the Packers (Not Rodgers) and Love is, we can now assume that the Packers have since decided that Love is the better option? What changed since those 5 games?

Dollars and age. That’s a completely different discussion though. I was referring to last season and what the coaches thought was their best chance to win in 2022. Gute believes Love can become a HoF QB so, given that he’s younger and cheaper, it makes sense to make the transition when looking at the future.
 

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Dollars and age. That’s a completely different discussion though. I was referring to last season and what the coaches thought was their best chance to win in 2022. Gute believes Love can become a HoF QB so, given that he’s younger and cheaper, it makes sense to make the transition when looking at the future.
While I agree with you that dollars and age were factors in the trade, as well as the drafting of Love, I think there is more to it than just that. I also agree with you that Rodgers, even with a broken thumb, was the best option for the Packers last season. I might disagree with some as to how much that effected his game, but acknowledge that it probably did to some extent.

Back to why the change of QB's? Was it just because of Love and where he is at in his progress? Coupled with Rodgers age and cost and possibly diminishing talent? I again would say yes, but I also believe that Rodgers off the field stuff had a lot to do with it too. Those fans who won't admit that are only fooling themselves. Those fans that insist Rodgers was a great teammate and shouldn't have been viewed as a fly in the ointment by the FO and coaches, are failing to look at the big picture clearly.

So yeah, Love, Rodgers age, his 2022 season and future cost were factors in the trading of a FOH QB. However, purging a still talented QB from the only team he has ever played for in the NFL, also had a lot to do with the tension that he himself created between him, the organization and its fans.
 

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