The Jordan Love Era Begins

[mradtke66]

Not sure folks knew there was scheme and playbook taught. Some thought proper huddle techniques was the level covered. Not trying to pick on Mradtke, there are others apparently thinking the same.

I think all realize Rodgers doesn't need to learn the scheme. But that isn't the point. The article does say they do go through the play book. I think it is safe to assume there will be new plays and even tweaks to the scheme on a yearly basis. And I believe these minor things Aaron could learn - and probably pick them up quickly.

I'm being a little too literal. When I say basics, I'm not discounting the playbook. I expect them to go over the basics. Whatever they call the play where the running back goes through A-Gap without a lead blocker, which I call a HB dive, what highschool would call a 21-dive, that's what should be going over in OTAs. Every offense has an off tackle play with a kickout block. We called that "power." What is a slant called. How is the slant called.

These are the things that should be covered in OTAs.

New plays aren't a drastic thing. I'm unsure how WCO the MLF offense is, but in many such schemes, you call out the routes as part of the playcall. I'm not going to attempt it, because I'd butcher it.

I do want do want to point out that I don't think OTAs have 0 benefit to established vets, I just think its negligible. 2 hours a day on the field, including stretching and position drills, and next to no-contact (per the article you posted, perhaps I misread it) isn't a ton. To quantify it, I value not drinking a beer and going to bed early the night before a game to have a more meaningful impact.

Pre-season going live, both sides in pads, actually being competitive? That has all the value.

This is not some defense of the favored vet. Assuming Love pans out like we all want, I won't be at all surprised he misses some/most/all of OTAs as he goes through his career.

 

[Schultz]

Spot on.

I will say it again, because skipping OTA's is so much like other things that Rodgers apologists blabber about. This isn't JUST about Aaron Fricking Rodgers and what is best for him. It is what is best for the team. Those who can't see that, are most likely the same people that do very little extra in life for others, they only measure how things will effect them personally. Those people feel threatened when someone else is being called out for their selfishness and immediately, they feel the need to go on the defense of said person. This doesn't just happen in football, sadly it seems to be the lifestyle of many lately.

Wow, there a whole lot of assumptions in this post.

 

[OldSchool101]

anybody else tired of the constant attacks against posters that see anything differently? How can some of us have 4,5, 10 exchanges on a topic we are polar ends of the spectrum on and keep it on topic and not take personal shots, but someone has to come in with their psycho analysis at almost every opportunity to dismiss, denigrate, and demean anybody who sees it differently?

anyway, yes leadership is important. But again, it seems from what I see mostly is people outside of the locker room have more issue with the leadership than the people that are in, or have been in there. Old guys like Cobb and David to young and not on the team like MVS, long gone like Johnny Jolly and current young stars like Watson. and besides those words, I look at what happens. Last year they were down, they were "out" the pundits and fans a like were jumping ship like crazy. Dump Rodgers, put in Love, now is the time, this team is done. and they rallied behind their leaders again. nobody quit, nobody cashed it in, nobody started bad mouthing anybody. There was a lack of plays made, but I don't think this team lacked leadership. OTA's aren't the only place it's displayed, or earned.

If Packer fans were a Jury, we would deliberate ourselves to death and all the bad guys would run free

 

[Mondio]

I do want do want to point out that I don't think OTAs have 0 benefit to established vets, I just think its negligible.

This is not some defense of the favored vet.

That sums it up pretty nicely for me and is what I and others have said more than once or twice in the 1,348 posts on the topic LOL, it's not just a defense of Rodgers.

 

[rmontro]

Why go to OTAs when there's ayuhuasca out there to drink?

Kidding, just kidding...

 

[OldSchool101]

Why go to OTAs when there's ayuhuasca out there to drink?

Kidding, just kidding...

Do you think he was doing it in the Dark and listening to Pink Floyd? Asking for a friend

 

[longtimefan]

anybody else tired of the constant attacks against posters that see anything differently? How can some of us have 4,5, 10 exchanges on a topic we are polar ends of the spectrum on and keep it on topic and not take personal shots, but someone has to come in with their psycho analysis at almost every opportunity to dismiss, denigrate, and demean anybody who sees it differently?

Wish there was a way to “ ignore” people then this would go away.

 

[rmontro]

Do you think he was doing it in the Dark and listening to Pink Floyd? Asking for a friend

Which album?
Answer: All of them, of course.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Sounds just like a company picnic and a complete waste of time for anyone to attend, even the coaches. No opportunities to bond with new and old teammates, establish leadership, teach and learn.

That 5 month long season is a lot to ask from any worker, the NFL should shut down after the Super Bowl and not start up again until a week before the first game.

Now I feel really bad for these guys, they probably have to squeeze vacations in between games. I wonder how many of them end of having to work part time jobs, just to make ends meet. To think that some of them have to go through these grueling work years until they are well into their 30's, before they can even think about retirement. I totally get why a few players just can't take time out of their hectic lives to attend these.

I've got some advice for you. If you're truly that pissed off by NFL players just stop watching. Otherwise you're part of the "problem".

Brady
Mahomes

Mahomes didn't sign for a significant discount. Actually he was the highest paid player in the league at the time he signed his extension three years ago.

I'm convinced he will ask the Chiefs to adapt his contract according to market value at some point down the road.

How do you feel about that list I put up with all the players we can sign with Rodgers typical $$ across 2 seasons and garnering two 2nd rounders. I added Crosby because I knew how excited you’d be. Lol

QB, Jordan Love (1yr Rook + 5th yr)
TE, Darnell Washington (2yr Rook $)
DT, Mazi Smith (2yr Rook $)
S, Adrian Amos (2X10M)
WR, JuJu Smith (2X20mil)
DT, Fletcher Cox (2X18M)
RT, George Fant (2X16mil)
K, Mason Crosby (1X3M)
+3Mil reserve account (2023-24)

It's pretty obvious that teams could sign a lot of players with the money being paid to an elite quarterback. But they still benefit more from having one though.

As a side note, the Packers aren't the only team which has had to pay a huge amount of money to their QB. They will face a similar issue with Love only one year from now if he proves to be a legit starter.

But the big thing, for many I think, is that the starting QB being involved in this process would be very beneficial to the young players. And i am certain there is a certain poster who read that sentence and planned his response to say, that is what they have coaches for. But the display of leadership, and just being helpful, would make a significant difference in team chemistry. The difference in winning and losing is a smaller margin than most fans realize.

Once again, nobody is suggesting there would have been no benefit of Rodgers showing up for OTAs but it would have most likely be minimal.

As a side note, it's the job of the coaches to teach players the playbook, the quarterback isn't responsible for it.

 

[pacmaniac]

Please tell me which playoff exit was Rodgers the one mainly responsible for?

2013 against the 49ers. The one in which he only threw for 177 yards.

Seattle. Converting 5 turnovers into only 6 points was the main reason for that loss.

2022 SF.

Bucs - for this one I give Rodgers and the defense equal blame.

Rodgers winning the MVP doesn't mean he's above criticism. It would be completely unrealistic to expect him to play any better as he performed at a higher level than any other player in the league though.

MVP is just for the regular season, not the playoffs. I did expect him to play a little better (one 6-yard completion better in the first half, and one 8-yard completion better in the second half) in the playoffs against the Bucs in 2020, and a lot better in the playoffs against SF in 2021. Especially considering they were home playoff games, which he had been begging for.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But the big thing, for many I think, is that the starting QB being involved in this process would be very beneficial to the young players. And i am certain there is a certain poster who read that sentence and planned his response to say, that is what they have coaches for.

You nailed the troll!!

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Wish there was a way to “ ignore” people then this would go away.

LOL....I had to unignore some people, just to understand your post. I do find it amazing that I can make a general statement, which wasn't directed at anyone in particular and one person internalizes it so much, that it bothers them.

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[OldSchool101]

Mahomes didn't sign for a significant discount. Actually he was the highest paid player in the league at the time he signed his extension three years ago.

There you go. “When he signed” was the point. Where is Pat Mahomes today? #4 in compensation and dropping. (-$5.3M) Will they restructure him in 2023? Probably not. That will quickly put him $10-12M per season behind the QB compensation leaderboard inside ~2 seasons. if he resigns in a couple seasons (likely) let’s call him $8Mil per season average behind the leaderboard. 3-4 seasons X 7-$8Mil per savings average is close to $25Mil neighborhood saved. That just paid for most of your draft class btw.

So I’ll say it again, there’s current evidence that you do NOT need to pay a QB league high $money$ to have success. Pat Mahomes + most of our your draft class for nearly all 4 seasons paid for. That’s IF Pat restructures for the 2026 season (2025) I could be guessing low here as his $ deflates at 8% per season compared to the leaderboard. If he doesn’t restructure during the 2025 season? His contract will be $17M light by 2026 and $23M light by the 2027 season off current growth for the last 10 seasons. $8M will barely register on a scale

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There you go. “When he signed” was the point. Where is Pat Mahomes today? #4 in compensation and dropping. (-$5.3M) Will they restructure him in 2023? Probably not. That will quickly put him $10-12M per season behind the QB compensation leaderboard inside ~2 seasons. if he resigns in a couple seasons (likely) let’s call him $8Mil per season average behind the leaderboard. 3-4 seasons X 7-$8Mil per savings average is close to $25Mil neighborhood saved. That just paid for most of your draft class btw.

So I’ll say it again, there’s current evidence that you do NOT need to pay a QB league high $money$ to have success. Pat Mahomes + most of our your draft class for nearly all 4 seasons. That’s IF Pat restructures for the 2026 season (2025) I could be guessing low here as his $ deflates at 8% per season compared to the leaderboard. If he doesn’t restructure during the 2025 season? His contract will be $17M light by 2026 and $23M light by the 2027 season off current growth for the last 10 seasons. $8M will barely register on a scale

I'm fine with players and teams paying whatever they agree to as far as present and future value in a contracted format. Neither should agree to terms that they can't live with during the life of the contract. What I am tired of seeing is when a player signs a contract and before it is over, he doesn't like the terms and feels the need to suddenly have his contract restructured. In many cases, he wants higher pay to reflect what he now feels is his market value, based on other players contracts. Sign a contract, stick to the terms. Don't like the contract, don't sign it until you can live with it and its terms.

Now someone will argue "but the team can cut a player or restructure his deal (Z-Dog) with out him agreeing to it." Actually, he did agree to it, when he signed the contract. The team can do whatever the contract says, as can the player. Don't like it, don't sign it. Guaranteed money was suppose to protect players and it does, but taking that money up front and then wanting a new contract because you don't like the old, give me a break.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm fine with players and teams paying whatever they agree to as far as present and future value in a contracted format. Neither should agree to terms that they can't live with during the life of the contract. What I am tired of seeing is when a player signs a contract and before it is over, he doesn't like the terms and feels the need to suddenly have his contract restructured. In many cases, he wants higher pay to reflect what he now feels is his market value, based on other players contracts. Sign a contract, stick to the terms. Don't like the contract, don't sign it until you can live with it and its terms.

Now someone will argue "but the team can cut a player or restructure his deal (Z-Dog) with out him agreeing to it." Actually, he did agree to it, when he signed the contract. The team can do whatever the contract says, as can the player. Don't like it, don't sign it. Guaranteed money was suppose to protect players and it does, but taking that money up front and then wanting a new contract because you don't like the old, give me a break.

That’s true. I guess it’s become a common thing to restructure for money IF the performance is commensurate level. Although we do see a few contracts going backwards also, so there’s some give n take.

With your thought. Imagine if Mahomes didn’t restructure inside the next 5 seasons? He’d be the steal of the century by 2027-2028 range if he keeps playing well. Its surprising the level of QB inflation (see Rodgers $$ 2018 or before) These guys have nothing to complain about. Who makes 2.5X what they did 10 years ago or 5X what they did in 2008

 

[OldSchool101]

IF and big IF Jordan plays pretty good but not exceptional. A $200X5 off his 5th year option extension will start to look pretty good over the next 6-7 seasons.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That’s true. I guess it’s become a common thing to restructure for money IF the performance is commensurate level. Although we do see a few contracts going backwards also, so there’s some give n take.

I get a player wanting more money if his performance exceeds what he feels he is being paid for, but then he should have negotiated for performance bonuses in his contract. I have never heard of a player getting injured and saying to the team, "you know what, don't pay me the amount we contracted for, since I didn't play." Nor do I hear a player say "man, I really didn't have the kind of year you guys paid me for, here's a few million back to you." When deciding on and agreeing to a contract, both sides should consider what the future might bring and ask for the contract to address potential changes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

IF and big IF Jordan plays pretty good but not exceptional. A $200X5 off his 5th year option extension will start to look pretty good over the next 6-7 seasons.

The Packers are in a pretty good position with Jordan, they have at least a full year, if not 2, to evaluate him. Pick up his 5th year (2024) option and if he plays really well this season and even better to start the 2024 season, then try working on a deal to keep him in GB for 5 more years.

 

[PackerDNA]

Love is going to be fine, I have no doubts about that. I'm impressed the way he's handling himself through a difficult three plus years. And everything I've seen his teammates love him and have his back. Can't wait to start the Love era.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

2013 against the 49ers. The one in which he only threw for 177 yards.

Seattle. Converting 5 turnovers into only 6 points was the main reason for that loss.

2022 SF.

Bucs - for this one I give Rodgers and the defense equal blame.



MVP is just for the regular season, not the playoffs. I did expect him to play a little better (one 6-yard completion better in the first half, and one 8-yard completion better in the second half) in the playoffs against the Bucs in 2020, and a lot better in the playoffs against SF in 2021. Especially considering they were home playoff games, which he had been begging for.

While Rodgers didn't put up amazing numbers in the first three games you listed it would be smart to take a closer look at those performances.

In 2013, he played in only his second game after coming back from a broken collarbone against the #3 scoring defense in the league. The Niners were a pretty good team that year, finishing with a 12-4 record but had to play on the road because the Seahawks won their division. The Packers would still have been in position to win that game if Hyde holds on to an interception on the game winning drive.

Rodgers not performing at an elite level vs. the Seahawks the following season was definitely not the main reason for that loss. In addition, you need to realize that Seattle had a superb defense that led the league in points allowed four years in a row.

He played extremely well compared to all other quarterbacks against the Bucs in the 2020 NFCCG but the defense gave up 31 points.

I agree he struggled against the Niners in the 2021 playoff game.

With that being said, Rodgers deserves part of the blame for every one of those losses. But he's not the main reason the Packers lost any of those games.

You nailed the troll!!

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While what I posted it's true the only reason I actually did was to see if it results in a reaction from you. I thought you had put me on ignore. As mentioned before, it's pathetic.

There you go. “When he signed” was the point. Where is Pat Mahomes today? #4 in compensation and dropping. (-$5.3M) Will they restructure him in 2023? Probably not. That will quickly put him $10-12M per season behind the QB compensation leaderboard inside ~2 seasons. if he resigns in a couple seasons (likely) let’s call him $8Mil per season average behind the leaderboard. 3-4 seasons X 7-$8Mil per savings average is close to $25Mil neighborhood saved. That just paid for most of your draft class btw.

It's normal that elite quarterbacks end up being the highest paid at the time they sign an extension but move down that list once other QBs receive new contracts. I guarantee that Mahomes will ask for his deal to be restructured at some point down the road, long before it's set to expire in 2032.

In addition you need to realize that Rodgers has been paid an average of only $33.7 million over the past five seasons. The reason the Chiefs have been able to save some money at the quarterback position is that Mahomes was on his rookie deal until 2020.

The Packers are in a pretty good position with Jordan, they have at least a full year, if not 2, to evaluate him. Pick up his 5th year (2024) option and if he plays really well this season and even better to start the 2024 season, then try working on a deal to keep him in GB for 5 more years.

I highly doubt Love would play on the fifth year option if he shows promise this upcoming season.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Love showed up for OTAs so he's obviously going to be AMAZING!!! Probably top-10 in the league....I kid obviously. I have zero idea how Love is going to perform, fans haven't seen enough of him to know anything for certain, but I am absolutely hoping that he shows signs of being a great QB this season and improves as the year goes on.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While what I posted it's true the only reason I actually did was to see if it results in a reaction from you. I thought you had put me on ignore. As mentioned before, it's pathetic.

You just cant accept being wrong or differing view points can you? You are great with stats, but you suck on decorum and debate.

Who told you I put you on ignore? As you would say "show me where I ever said that."

Just because I got sick and tired of reading and responding to your 2 page posts, challenging just about everyone's opinion, doesn't mean I put you on ignore. What I will continue to do though, is not get pulled into your non-sensical debates, where you refuse to consider for a moment, that it is ok for someone to have a different opinion than yours.

 

[Mondio]

LOL, says the guy who calls the person with a differing opinion a "Troll"

 

[mradtke66]

Rodgers not performing at an elite level vs. the Seahawks the following season was definitely not the main reason for that loss. In addition, you need to realize that Seattle had a superb defense that led the league in points allowed four years in a row.

He also had a severely injured calf muscle, iirc. He more or less couldn't scramble. I have a hard time being annoyed with his effort/output that game given all the

 

[pacmaniac]

But he's not the main reason the Packers lost any of those games.

I disagree with you.