The Jordan Love Era Begins

[AmishMafia]

Rodgers was perhaps the GOATATM. The greatest of all time at the moment. For a couple of years there, about 10 years ago, he was at his apex. He would throw with incredible precision, lightning quick releases, and a fraction of a second before the WR got open. There was nothing a CB could do. He had such a great understanding of the defenses. His arm has declined steadily. His release has slowed. And for some reason, he gets fooled by defenses rather often.

 

[OldSchool101]

Agree. One thing that I will remember Rodgers for was is ability to do some great things, but also, for not being able to adapt to changes, that usually impacted his ability to do those great things. For a few years straight, he was the master of getting free plays, we loved him for it. However, teams adapted as did the refs it seemed and those free plays became less frequent. As a result of not seeing that and changing his ways, Rodgers too often found the play clock at zero and had to burn a timeout. Hail Mary's were big for Rodgers, I mean some of those completions will forever be etched in my brain and I still love to watch the replays of them. However, they too kind of dried up and too often, Rodgers would return to attempting them (long passes), even when it was 3rd/4th and short. I also think Rodgers got a bit spoiled in his first 10 or so years, with an excellent group of receivers and when he didn't have them, it often was visibly frustrating to him, on and off the field.

All that said, I still think that TT and Gute didn't do a good job of replenishing receiving weapons for Rodgers and that is on them. They relied too much on what he seemed to be able to do, with marginal talent. So while I understood Rodgers frustration with the drafting of Love, he never really seemed to adapt and get over, what I think he felt was a total slap in his face. I think that move was probably when the bridge finally crumbled between Rodgers and the Front office. So it would be a fitting end to his career as a Packer, if that move ends up being exactly what bridges the Packers to another successful 15 or so years.

Yeah. At that time, it probably seemed logical to go with a winning formula. 2009 and 2010 displayed what a good Defense mixed Rodgers under Center could bring. Several went by with inconsistent play in postseason and then we blew our 2014 chance and we were the better team. Rodgers should have competed in another SB at minimum and my opinion is it would’ve been a Packers Win by 4 points.

We couldn’t find a top 10 Defense if we tried for years and even in 2019 were barely cracked the top 10, but we were not well rounded Offense and ST was just bordering on pathetic level.

Somehow. Someway. We need to be top 8 area Defensive unit or better and a top 16 ST unit so that we can keep games close and give Jordan a chance to showcase. He’s got a nose for Winning if he’s given the chance.

 

[Schultz]

Can anyp

Were there pictures and stories of AR playing catch with wr prior to this??

Thats the question

Can you guys prove their aren't any pictures?

 

[Poppa San]

There’s a Bridge in Austin that the Bats come out just before dusk. There are so many (millions) that their is a tour company that Ferries people on the river in order to see the Bat spectacle.
As the bats fly upstream, it looks like smoke in the air. That reminded me of that bridge in Austin, but the bats going rogue and turning on the tourists!

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[longtimefan]

Can you guys prove their aren't any pictures?

I can prove your an ***

Because that is a *** hole comment

This is where you and 2 others bash a mod for being mean and how dare I speak this way

Then I say a mod can't dish it out?

Then you get your undies bent up

Then others chime in how bad I am as a mod

Then we have a huge discussion, on how mods shouldn't have feelings.

There. All done

 

[longtimefan]

Bucks win big

Mods don't get paid to deal with some of you assess

Dont like it

Go to packers home and deal with them.

 

[Firethorn1001]

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[Pokerbrat2000]

I can prove your an ***

Because that is a *** hole comment

This is where you and 2 others bash a mod for being mean and how dare I speak this way

Then I say a mod can't dish it out?

Then you get your undies bent up

Then others chime in how bad I am as a mod

Then we have a huge discussion, on how mods shouldn't have feelings.

There. All done

Mods should have an equal right to call a spade a spade.

 

[longtimefan]

Kevin at packers home would LOVE rejects

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You're absolutely, 100% correct, again... let's focus on:
- The Aaron Rodgers trade that HASN'T happened, yet.
- The free agent signings that HAVEN'T happened yet, due to the salary cap murkiness because of above.
- The draft, which hasn't happened, yet, and GB STILL doesn't know what picks they'll be using.

So much to focus on I'm having a hard time taking it all in. smh

My point was that Love showing up for offseason workouts should be considered a non-issue.

OTAs also go over new wrinkles/additions to the offense/defensive schemes.

No, OTAs are for new players to learn the basic schemes. There's no way to put in new wrinkles with players not even knowing the plays in the first place.

"but...but...Aaron won back to back MVP's and all his teammates love him and he always is in shape by August and he loves his family and you people listen to fake news!"

Actually Rodgers winning back-to-back MVPs should work as evidence that there's no need for the starting quarterback to show up for OTAs. Of course, you conveniently ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I also know for a fact many once out of the locker room or I bet once he is gone, indirectly we will hear stuff that mildly annoyed people of course - no two people are alike.

How do you know that for a fact?

I think the biggest reason for OTAs pre-draft is to see who got fat and needs to be replaced.

There aren't any OTAs happening before the draft. During the first two weeks of offseason workouts players are limited to strength and conditioning activities with only strength and conditioning coaches allowed on field.

But I think we can agree on 3 things for Rodgers attending OTAs:

It would not have hurt the team last season. It may have helped.
Rodgers didn't attend.

Personally, I lump his non attendance in with him not working with receivers and coaches much during games. An attitude that it's not his responsibility and all he is worried about is his self and not the team.

As I have mentioned repeatedly, I would have preferred Rodgers to attend OTAs. With that being said I highly doubt it would have made any difference in how any of the last three seasons finished.

I'm still going to stay cautiously-optimistic in regards to Love. If he is successful and somehow becomes the Packers 3rd straight HOF QB, I do believe that Gute should plan a "Crow eating tailgate party". Inviting all those fans, who have spent the last 3 years belly aching about Love being drafted.

Are you showing up for a crow eating tailgate party if Love doesn't work out?

Yes, because he was hyped as the Greatest Of All Time, a guy who won the Super Bowl at a young age and who would surely have multiple Super Bowl wins in his future. His individual records were great, but he wasn't the Michael Jordan type figure he was made out to be, where team championships come with it. You could blame that on the front office or just bad luck if you want, and maybe you'd be right. But he was hyped as a guy who would win multiple Super Bowls, and that never happened.

Doesn't mean he sucked (obviously), but the expectations were set up, and they weren't met.

Rodgers deserves some of the blame for not winning at least another Super Bowl but he's definitely not one of the main reasons for the Packers falling short every single year since 2010.

 

[pacmaniac]

Actually Rodgers winning back-to-back MVPs should work as evidence that there's no need for the starting quarterback to show up for OTAs. Of course, you conveniently ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

He won back to back MVPs in the years in which he already had a great connection with his #1 receiver. He did not win MVP last season in which he had a bunch of new receivers.

With that being said I highly doubt it would have made any difference in how any of the last three seasons finished.

The Packers missed the playoffs by one game last season, and they lost 5 games by one possession. If any of the several miscommunications with receivers had not been a miscommunication, then perhaps they would have won one more game and made the playoffs.

Rodgers deserves some of the blame for not winning at least another Super Bowl but he's definitely not one of the main reasons for the Packers falling short every single year since 2010.

Depends on which season we are talking about.

 

[Mondio]

He won back to back MVPs in the years in which he already had a great connection with his #1 receiver. He did not win MVP last season in which he had a bunch of new receivers.



The Packers missed the playoffs by one game last season, and they lost 5 games by one possession. If any of the several miscommunications with receivers had not been a miscommunication, then perhaps they would have won one more game and made the playoffs.


Depends on which season we are talking about.

all of that is true, so it comes down to how much and what you think is involved in OTA's. I happen to think it's get new guys acquainted with the place, the coaches, and start learning to crawl in the playbook. I don't think it's advanced communications. You can teach quant to a person that hasn't had basic chem. Algebra without basic add/sub, x, and / is just a waste of time. Renal phys to someone that doesn't know basic anatomy makes for frustration filled days.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

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That sums it up pretty nicely.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He won back to back MVPs in the years in which he already had a great connection with his #1 receiver. He did not win MVP last season in which he had a bunch of new receivers.

Some posters would want you to think that an MVP automatically raises a player up to a level where they can do no wrong, as well as above any sort of criticism. It becomes part of their catch all phrase of "But...but....he won back to back MVP's you are wrong." I can kind of understand that though, since it seemed to do the same thing to the guy that won them, he didn't think that his **** stank either.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Unsure what value OTAs have, but I'm quite confident that in going to OTAs, you remove about a billion words of discussion on it. It's like going to the office party. You show up, smile, give some face time and leave. Does it help on the field? Who knows. Does it hurt from a personal/professional level? Nope.

For a guy that likes to control the narrative, I would think going to OTAs would be the easiest way to say 'I'm going, just shut up about it now will you' Unless of course he relishes that which is quite possible also.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For a guy that likes to control the narrative, I would think going to OTAs would be the easiest way to say 'I'm going, just shut up about it now will you' Unless of course he relishes that which is quite possible also.

Rodgers has proven himself to be a guy that likes to stick out of the crowd, for going against the grain. He pretends that he is just the opposite and doesn't like all the attention, but I am convinced that this is just 100% part of his schtick. He felt undervalued and disrespected at the 2005 draft, which I think put a big chip on his shoulder. Then it happened again in 2020 when Jordan Love was drafted, PTSD and his status level, has made him a complicated and difficult fella to work with.

 

[longtimefan]

That sums it up pretty nicely.

And the Niners are shopping Lance

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And the Niners are shopping Lance

Couple that with the prognosis on Purdy and how close the 9'ers are to being a complete team and you might have a new team wanting Rodgers. I'd be absolutely shocked if Rodgers wouldn't prefer going to San Fran over NY. Better team, West coast and a team that he always dreamed of playing for as a kid. Oh and he would be competing in the NFC against his old team and assured of a game against the Packers in 2024.

 

[Pkrjones]

Couple that with the prognosis on Purdy and how close the 9'ers are to being a complete team and you might have a new team wanting Rodgers. I'd be absolutely shocked if Rodgers wouldn't prefer going to San Fran over NY. Better team, West coast and a team that he always dreamed of playing for as a kid. Oh and he would be competing in the NFC against his old team and assured of a game against the Packers in 2024.

THAT would be a marquee PR/ratings matchup... AR vs. Love!! Do it, Gute!!

 

[Schultz]

If what a poster has stated that Love is the real deal and that the Packers know it is true then why are we blaming AR for the Packers not making the playoffs last year? Isn't it MLFs fault? All he had to do was play Love at QB, sitting AR due to his thumb injury.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If what a poster has stated that Love is the real deal and that the Packers know it is true then why are we blaming AR for the Packers not making the playoffs last year? Isn't it MLFs fault? All he had to do was play Love at QB, sitting AR due to his thumb injury.

What you are missing in your assumption, is the fact that MLF obviously didn't think Love was better than Rodgers in 2022, but more importantly, nor have I seen any poster try to imply that. All LTF's source was saying, was that the Packers feel that Love is the real deal and they are excited to have him as their starter, something they probably never would have seen, had Rodgers been on the team in 2023.

Why do some fans not understand that this isn't just about the present, but more about the future? The Packers went 8-9 last season with a 38 year old QB, that is one darkness retreat away from retiring and oh yeah, he costs the Packers $50+ M per year. The number of players the Packers had to let walk in Free Agency, as well as more cans being kicked forward just to hang on to a few, should tell you where things would have continued to head, if Rodgers remained. It was time to jump off the carousel.

 

[OldSchool101]

What you are missing in your assumption, is the fact that MLF obviously didn't think Love was better than Rodgers in 2022, but more importantly, nor have I seen any poster try to imply that. All LTF's source was saying, was that the Packers feel that Love is the real deal and they are excited to have him as their starter, something they probably never would have seen, had Rodgers been on the team in 2023.

Why do some fans not understand that this isn't just about the present, but more about the future? The Packers went 8-9 last season with a 38 year old QB, that is one darkness retreat away from retiring and oh yeah, he costs the Packers $50+ M per year. The number of players the Packers had to let walk in Free Agency, as well as more cans being kicked forward just to hang on to a few, should tell you where things would have continued to head, if Rodgers remained.

That’s the key part of the whole equation. Rodgers tenure is coming to an end (at a Stadium near you)

The Packers know good and well that Aaron can still play at a high level this season. However they can’t be caught Without his successor, so they would rather lose a few seconds on the relay exchange than to drop the baton altogether.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That’s the key part of the whole equation. Rodgers tenure is coming to an end (at a Stadium near you)

The Packers know good and well that Aaron can still play at a high level this season. However they can’t be caught Without his successor, so they would rather lose a few seconds on the relay exchange than to drop the baton altogether.

Yup, it is called thinking inside and outside the box. Which is why most of us eventually got off the ledge that we had climbed on immediately following Love being drafted. We actually took the time to understand the logic behind it and watched things unfold, that perhaps Gute saw coming, to justify the pick.

 

[mradtke66]

The number of players the Packers had to let walk in Free Agency, as well as more cans being kicked forward just to hang on to a few, should tell you where things would have continued to head, if Rodgers remained. It was time to jump off the carousel.

My only point of contention with this--I don't think any free agent loses we've suffered were due to affordability. Part of roster churn is just letting guys go when their cap number doesn't match their valuation to the team.

I'm also of the opinion that tying up a big chunk of money in a quarterback isn't as big an issue as others do. I actually don't know what the practical maximum is (the theoretical maximum being where you can even sign 52 players to vet minimum contracts.) In the world according to me, your roster starts to rot off when you are either regularly drafting late (which having a good quarterback should cause) and/or whiffing on too many of your draft picks.

In 2020, we lost Martinez, Bulaga, Jimmy G, Fackrell, Spriggs...(I'm probably missing a few) but those names either weren't good or were getting up there.

In 2021, it was Linsley and Jamal Williams and a bunch of "meh" players. An argument could be made that Linsley allowed to leave due to cap reasons, but it was also his 3rd contract. In general, the Packers don't give linemen 3rd contracts (Bhak being a notable exception.)

In 2022, we lost Corey Bojorquez, Chandon Sullivan, MVS, ESB, Burks, Lucas Patrick. And we cut Z, but I blame his cut on the back injury and attitude more than anything else, though money did factor into the decision. Yes, Adams left in a trade situation, but by all reports, we offered him more money. His departure wasn't cap-driven

In 2023, we lost players at the end of their career or stop gap players. Amos is still up in the air, but that no one else has signed him leads me to believe the league doesn't view him as a priority or we've told him we plan to re-sign him once Rodgers is officially off the books.

If you disagree with the valuation of those players that we lost I'd like to hear what losses you think we experienced.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

In 2023, we lost players at the end of their career or stop gap players. Amos is still up in the air, but that no one else has signed him leads me to believe the league doesn't view him as a priority or we've told him we plan to re-sign him once Rodgers is officially off the books.

There were a few variables in play this offseason, in regards to re-signing our own free agents. Those variables were, money, talent, the Rodgers trade and the direction the team is headed.

The decision to part ways with A-rod and put themselves into what I would term "mini-rebuild", made a lot of FA decisions easy. Players like Lazard, Tonyan, Amos, Crosby and maybe even Cobb would have been priorities for Gute, if Rodgers was kept. But would have required even more cans to be kicked down the road. Some might argue against Amos and Crosby and that could go either way, but break up his offense? Doubt it. I also think that possibly 1 of Reed or Lowery might of been in play. Not to mention Gute possibly wanting to dip into a high end FA or 2, to go all in on yet another SB run.

Parting ways with Rodgers, the cap crisis and a mini-rebuild made it pretty easy to let some if not most of those guys go. Talent or at the end of their career, yes, that too. However, do you see Gute active to replace those guys? Not really. Why? Because of the unknown cap situation. The Packers have some uncertainty as to how this Rodgers thing is going to work out and guessing they got as cap flush as they could, to handle that and/or go bargain basement FA shopping after the draft to fill holes.