The Jordan Love Era Begins

Will Jordan Love be 3 in a row for the Packers?

  • Yes, he's a FHOF Player

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • He'll be pro bowl good but not FHOF good

    Votes: 20 27.8%
  • He'll be average

    Votes: 12 16.7%
  • No, he'll be a below average bust

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Too early to Tell

    Votes: 32 44.4%

  • Total voters
    72
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I cannot agree or like this statement more. x1,000
"but...but...Aaron won back to back MVP's and all his teammates love him and he always is in shape by August and he loves his family and you people listen to fake news!"

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If that's true, maybe we've found the perfect method for developing quarterbacks. Let him sit three years behind the prior one. The only bad thing is it means ticking off the old QB to develop the new one. Oh well, there are worse things.
LOL....right, it also seems to tick off a few fans that get so vested in 1 player, they can't see the forest through the trees. It's been fun watching them twist in the wind. :devilish::roflmao:
 

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"In preparing for battle, i have always found that plans are useless, but the planning is indispensable. "

Dwight D. Eisenhower

I have a firearms training buddy that his shirts he wears always have this quote on the back of them. It's one of his favorite quotes.
 

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My gosh, the nonsensical back and forth - is this what this place has denegrated to in the absence of my calming wisdom and insightful football knowledge?

All right, here we go:

OTAs also go over new wrinkles/additions to the offense/defensive schemes.
Rodgers can pick it up quickly - but his participation in the meetings would be huge helping the newbies understand and, as he will be leading the offense on the field, getting on the same page.
There is no doubt the last few years the offense is way out of sync the first few games.
I dont recall ever hearing or seeing him work out in the offseason with teammates. In a world where everyone has a video recording device and the opportunity to publish things to the world instantly - you would think we would have seen some of it.
Rodgers does work very hard and comes to camp in shape - but those are physical conditioning workouts with a trainer.

Other QBs will get several receivers and run patterns. We all saw what years of Rodgers throwing to Adams did for their connection. Had he worked on it more with other young receivers, who knows where our offense would be.

Don't underestimate the importance of leadership.
Minicamps do that. I doubt OTA's with a group of guys brand new to the building and team are going over new schematic wrinkles when they don't know the old ones they built off of.

I'm not discounting any of what you're saying, other than we don't view OTA's as being the same thing.

I think there is plenty of "battle prep" time. In the offseason, that's time for the coaches to prep more so than players in terms of schematics and how to approach things.

and also, I think the people outside of the locker room seem to have a greater issue with his leadership than those that are in it.
 

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I have a firearms training buddy that his shirts he wears always have this quote on the back of them. It's one of his favorite quotes.
What I think Eisenhower meant was that there will always be something different than planned. More tanks moved in the night before, artillery you didn't know about, or company Z took Hill X much more quickly , whatever ...... But knowing the overall objectives and reasons for individual roles, you can quickly and coherently adapt to situations as the battle (or NFL play) unfolds.
 

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Minicamps do that. I doubt OTA's with a group of guys brand new to the building and team are going over new schematic wrinkles when they don't know the old ones they built off of.

I'm not discounting any of what you're saying, other than we don't view OTA's as being the same thing.

I think there is plenty of "battle prep" time. In the offseason, that's time for the coaches to prep more so than players in terms of schematics and how to approach things.

and also, I think the people outside of the locker room seem to have a greater issue with his leadership than those that are in it.

I also know for a fact many once out of the locker room or I bet once he is gone, indirectly we will hear stuff that mildly annoyed people of course - no two people are alike.

My critique of Rodgers' leadership in not coming to OTAs IMO is 100% valid.
As is my opinion that when present Rodgers is a very solid leader it seems from all accounts - IMO that is also 100% valid.

The issue, and not saying you have done this Mondio, is folks that seem to refuse to acknowledge both truths exist.
 

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Minicamps do that. I doubt OTA's with a group of guys brand new to the building and team are going over new schematic wrinkles when they don't know the old ones they built off of.

I'm not discounting any of what you're saying, other than we don't view OTA's as being the same thing.

I think there is plenty of "battle prep" time. In the offseason, that's time for the coaches to prep more so than players in terms of schematics and how to approach things.

and also, I think the people outside of the locker room seem to have a greater issue with his leadership than those that are in it.
I think the biggest reason for OTAs pre-draft is to see who got fat and needs to be replaced.

Post draft is for handing out playbooks and learning.
 

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I think the biggest reason for OTAs pre-draft is to see who got fat and needs to be replaced.

Post draft is for handing out playbooks and learning.
yes, and all those new guys have to learn to crawl before walking and running. One could easily argue that giving Love all those reps last year paid bigger dividends than having some like Rodgers run them. Especially as we're moving forward.
 

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I also know for a fact many once out of the locker room or I bet once he is gone, indirectly we will hear stuff that mildly annoyed people of course - no two people are alike.

My critique of Rodgers' leadership in not coming to OTAs IMO is 100% valid.
As is my opinion that when present Rodgers is a very solid leader it seems from all accounts - IMO that is also 100% valid.

The issue, and not saying you have done this Mondio, is folks that seem to refuse to acknowledge both truths exist.
i see what guys like you and Amish have been saying, I do understand it's not a great look and perceptions matter to a degree. But I think that perception is radically changed once players get into the heart of the work and realize just how hard that guy works. and what is expected of them. I don't think it was impactful on the season.
 

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i see what guys like you and Amish have been saying, I do understand it's not a great look and perceptions matter to a degree. But I think that perception is radically changed once players get into the heart of the work and realize just how hard that guy works. and what is expected of them. I don't think it was impactful on the season.
All we can do is speculate on what the difference may or may not have been.

But I think we can agree on 3 things for Rodgers attending OTAs:

It would not have hurt the team last season. It may have helped.
Rodgers didn't attend.

Personally, I lump his non attendance in with him not working with receivers and coaches much during games. An attitude that it's not his responsibility and all he is worried about is his self and not the team.
 
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let's hope that's the secret sauce
Years ago I had a customer(s) who were starving and getting ready to leave to eat and come back another day. We ordered them a Pizza to finish the deal and when I was doing their paperwork we were discussing sauces. This next part deserves its own paragraph!
After I told him various hot sauces I liked to use with Pizza.. . he said
Hunger is the best Special Sauce
and took a big old bite of Pizza. He looked like a Mountain man so it really added to the effect ! (You can’t make this stuff up)

I wrote those words down immediately. One day you will here a song and you will know who wrote it and the story behind it! :)

Oh.. that was so off thread but I did hear once that Jordan was real hungry coming out of college.
 
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"but...but...Aaron won back to back MVP's and all his teammates love him and he always is in shape by August and he loves his family and you people listen to fake news!"

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Is that Woodley? Wonderful theatrical spin move.
 

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Years ago I had a customer(s) who were starving and getting ready to leave to eat and come back another day. We ordered them a Pizza to finish the deal and when I was doing their paperwork we were discussing sauces. This next part deserves its own paragraph!
After I told him various hot sauces I liked to use with Pizza.. . he said
Hunger is the best Special Sauce
and took a big old bite of Pizza. He looked like a Mountain man so it really added to the effect ! (You can’t make this stuff up)

I wrote those words down immediately. One day you will here a song and you will know who wrote it and the story behind it! :)

Oh.. that was so off thread but I did hear once that Jordan was real hungry coming out of college.
It is the best sauce
 

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I'm still going to stay cautiously-optimistic in regards to Love. If he is successful and somehow becomes the Packers 3rd straight HOF QB, I do believe that Gute should plan a "Crow eating tailgate party". Inviting all those fans, who have spent the last 3 years belly aching about Love being drafted.

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I'm still going to stay cautiously-optimistic in regards to Love. If he is successful and somehow becomes the Packers 3rd straight HOF QB, I do believe that Gute should plan a "Crow eating tailgate party". Inviting all those fans, who have spent the last 3 years belly aching about Love being drafted.

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There’s a Bridge in Austin that the Bats come out just before dusk. There are so many (millions) that their is a tour company that Ferries people on the river in order to see the Bat spectacle.
As the bats fly upstream, it looks like smoke in the air. That reminded me of that bridge in Austin, but the bats going rogue and turning on the tourists! :laugh:
 

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Rodgers won four MVP awards while playing for the Packers and you still consider him overhyped?
Yes, because he was hyped as the Greatest Of All Time, a guy who won the Super Bowl at a young age and who would surely have multiple Super Bowl wins in his future. His individual records were great, but he wasn't the Michael Jordan type figure he was made out to be, where team championships come with it. You could blame that on the front office or just bad luck if you want, and maybe you'd be right. But he was hyped as a guy who would win multiple Super Bowls, and that never happened.

Doesn't mean he sucked (obviously), but the expectations were set up, and they weren't met.
 

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As is my opinion that when present Rodgers is a very solid leader it seems from all accounts - IMO that is also 100% valid.
Let's just hope that not ALL of AR's "qualities" rubbed off on Love. I'm quite confident in saying that Love had a very good teacher playing in front of him, as did Rodgers himself. That said, one can learn from both the positives and negatives of their teachers.
 

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Let's just hope that not ALL of AR's "qualities" rubbed off on Love. I'm quite confident in saying that Love had a very good teacher playing in front of him, as did Rodgers himself. That said, one can learn from both the positives and negatives of their teachers.

Knowing the young man Love was coming into the league and his story - I will for sure stand on the soap box that his character is built VERY different. Fame and wealth can change that for some, but I am hoping he stays solid there.
 

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His individual records were great, but he wasn't the Michael Jordan type figure he was made out to be, where team championships come with it. You could blame that on the front office or just bad luck if you want, and maybe you'd be right. But he was hyped as a guy who would win multiple Super Bowls, and that never happened.
Agree. One thing that I will remember Rodgers for was is ability to do some great things, but also, for not being able to adapt to changes, that usually impacted his ability to do those great things. For a few years straight, he was the master of getting free plays, we loved him for it. However, teams adapted as did the refs it seemed and those free plays became less frequent. As a result of not seeing that and changing his ways, Rodgers too often found the play clock at zero and had to burn a timeout. Hail Mary's were big for Rodgers, I mean some of those completions will forever be etched in my brain and I still love to watch the replays of them. However, they too kind of dried up and too often, Rodgers would return to attempting them (long passes), even when it was 3rd/4th and short. I also think Rodgers got a bit spoiled in his first 10 or so years, with an excellent group of receivers and when he didn't have them, it often was visibly frustrating to him, on and off the field.

All that said, I still think that TT and Gute didn't do a good job of replenishing receiving weapons for Rodgers and that is on them. They relied too much on what he seemed to be able to do, with marginal talent. So while I understood Rodgers frustration with the drafting of Love, he never really seemed to adapt and get over, what I think he felt was a total slap in his face. I think that move was probably when the bridge finally crumbled between Rodgers and the Front office. So it would be a fitting end to his career as a Packer, if that move ends up being exactly what bridges the Packers to another successful 15 or so years.
 

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