The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Spanky]

Maybe if we are lucky, a few of his Super fan apologists will follow him to NY.

Which would leave about 5 people to still post here?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Which would leave about 5 people to still post here?

A lot more than 5 people here that wouldn't follow Rodgers to the Jets.

 

[lambeaulambo]

I can only speak for myself here but I can`t wait for him to be run out of town because he simply doesn`t want to BE here anymore. I`ve felt that way about players before (Favre, Bennett etc). If they dislike it here, there`s the door. Anybody who begins to think they are more important than the team, **** off ! JMHO I`m not here to stoke anybodies ego.

Sir Elton is now singing the Lion King theme. I think u may have watched one 2 many EPL managers being run out of club. It is tiring hearing AR12's mantra off field. He's the new Jack Grealish. I enjoyed 12s time here but my goodness - dark rooms and immunizations talk makes me want to vomit. Ray Nitschke wouldve clotheslined Mr Rodgers. Is this the new NFL is the question. High IQ QBs with one lucky ring, records everywhere? Mid season this year I think we will all miss him on field for a short time until he announces that he is taking a hiatus to tour Africa.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I can only speak for myself here but I can`t wait for him to be run out of town because he simply doesn`t want to BE here anymore. I`ve felt that way about players before (Favre, Bennett etc). If they dislike it here, there`s the door. Anybody who begins to think they are more important than the team, **** off ! JMHO I`m not here to stoke anybodies ego.

Actually I don't believe Rodgers ever wanted to leave the Packers. It was the team that decided it was time to move on.

Clearly Adams made Rodgers look better than he was. If you can't see the substantial increase in errant passes, short, and non throws then you aren't really watching the games. Even completed passes are often the WR diving for the ball or altering his route such that YAC are gone.

There's no doubt that Rodgers had more errant throws last season than during the previous two. I guess the broken thumb had something to do with that though. In addition there's no doubt he benefitted from having an elite receiver around in Adams. But you're fooling yourself by believing that other elite quarterbacks could have excelled with the group the 2022 Packers wide receiving corps.

I honestly don't know of anyone other than some posters online that want to keep him. As you can imagine, Rodgers has been a part of many conversations here in Green Bay. I'm sure there are some who still adore him, but they are keeping quiet.

I'm quite sure there are a lot of Packers fans who still want Rodgers to be the team's quarterback. But as you said, they're mostly the quiet ones and not the rah-rah kind of persons who try to win the argument by being the loudest ones in the room.

We won't win a SB with Rodgers playing QB. His leadership skills have evaporated its time to move on if we want to win a SB.

I agree that the Packers most likely wouldn't win another Super Bowl by holding on to Rodgers. That window most likely closed in 2021. As I have mentioned repeatedly, I understand the reasoning behind the team wanting to move on from him, but regarding their performance on the field in the short term I don't like it.

That’s not the issue. The issue is you rarely say anything good about our FO in comparison to the negative slights. I get being critical about Brian, but throw a positive in there maybe every 36th remark.

You're well aware that I know Gutekunst has made a lot of good moves since taking over as the team's general manager. Like it or not, his handling of the quarterback situation will be the move he will mostly be evaluated for. In my opinion he has already made several mistakes in doing so and if Love doesn't work out as expected by the front office it might be time for the team to move on from Brian.

So about half-way into his typical post?

You just can't help yourself taking shots at other posters you have proudly proclaimed to have put on ignore. It's pathetic.

I know a few Packer fans that are SECRETLY hoping for that to happen.

There isn't a single Packers fan who wants Love to fail.

Basically the same folks who said Aaron Rodgers was a wasted pick for the first 7 years of his career.

What??? The Packers won the Super Bowl in Rodgers' sixth season with the team.

Also the same ones that had Rodgers tanked or retired in 2021, would have been calling for Gute's head because he didn't see it coming and have a plan for replacing that old of a QB.

Rodgers didn't retire in 2021 though. On top of it, he won the MVP award that season. Therefore there was no need for Love at all.

If we could only get Postseason MVP play once every 12 years or so, we’d be in great shape.

Rodgers has had only three below average games in playoff losses (passer rating of under 90) over the past 12 years. On the other hand the defense gave up an average of 31.6 points in those nine games. Yet he's the only one some fans are blaming for it

 

[longtimefan]

Which would leave about 5 people to still post here?

One Twitter poll more wanted him gone than stay..close to 20k voted

Other one very small size, most said glad it is over

 

[Pkrjones]

Other one very small size, most said glad it is over

Sadly, it's STILL not over, though.

Great news, though... for the 1st time in 3 seasons the Packer's starting QB is at voluntary workouts which began yesterday!

 

[Schultz]

One Twitter poll more wanted him gone than stay..close to 20k voted

Other one very small size, most said glad it is over

What is Twitter?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Why exactly do fans care so much about player offseason performance? I mean, in-season performance is what matters the most, really in-season is the ONLY thing that matters. So, if a player is really good at his job during the season, shouldn't fans be okay with said player not keeping other players from practicing in the offseason? I know it gets hard to find football related content during the offseason but I'd rather a player that's already REALLY good give developing player more chances to well, develop, during the practices that don't matter as much.

 

[Pkrjones]

Why exactly do fans care so much about player offseason performance? I mean, in-season performance is what matters the most, really in-season is the ONLY thing that matters. So, if a player is really good at his job during the season, shouldn't fans be okay with said player not keeping other players from practicing in the offseason? I know it gets hard to find football related content during the offseason but I'd rather a player that's already REALLY good give developing player more chances to well, develop, during the practices that don't matter as much.

"And so for the success of any championship team, there has to be a commitment as a group that you're going to be the hardest working group and the hardest working team to play against. Now it sounds easy and it sounds simple, but as days go by, and the year drags on, mentally becomes more and more tough. You have to have the right frame of mind. You have to be strong-willed, and you have to believe that the practice you're putting in and the time you putting in is going to make you a better player and a better team the next day. Nobody thought of practice as, oh gosh, I got to practice today. I want to make the Hall of Fame. It was all about taking in the knowledge of what's going to make us more successful as a group, what's going to make our path to lifting the Stanley Cup the best path possible. And that was easy. That was through hard work and commitment. There's no shortcuts. There's no angles. You have to put in the time." - Wayne Gretzky

Practice with a purpose, to make "the group" better.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

"And so for the success of any championship team, there has to be a commitment as a group that you're going to be the hardest working group and the hardest working team to play against. Now it sounds easy and it sounds simple, but as days go by, and the year drags on, mentally becomes more and more tough. You have to have the right frame of mind. You have to be strong-willed, and you have to believe that the practice you're putting in and the time you putting in is going to make you a better player and a better team the next day. Nobody thought of practice as, oh gosh, I got to practice today. I want to make the Hall of Fame. It was all about taking in the knowledge of what's going to make us more successful as a group, what's going to make our path to lifting the Stanley Cup the best path possible. And that was easy. That was through hard work and commitment. There's no shortcuts. There's no angles. You have to put in the time." - Wayne Gretzky

Practice with a purpose, to make "the group" better.

The problem that a few people have in understanding that, is that there is no "we" in "Rodgers". Although, he was seen throwing the ball to Lazard last month, so maybe he is understanding the concept better?

 

[Mondio]

"And so for the success of any championship team, there has to be a commitment as a group that you're going to be the hardest working group and the hardest working team to play against. Now it sounds easy and it sounds simple, but as days go by, and the year drags on, mentally becomes more and more tough. You have to have the right frame of mind. You have to be strong-willed, and you have to believe that the practice you're putting in and the time you putting in is going to make you a better player and a better team the next day. Nobody thought of practice as, oh gosh, I got to practice today. I want to make the Hall of Fame. It was all about taking in the knowledge of what's going to make us more successful as a group, what's going to make our path to lifting the Stanley Cup the best path possible. And that was easy. That was through hard work and commitment. There's no shortcuts. There's no angles. You have to put in the time." - Wayne Gretzky

Practice with a purpose, to make "the group" better.

that is all true and when you hear from pretty much every player that has commented on Rodgers in practice they say he competes like no other and expects you to do the same play in and play out. He pushes everyone, himself included. I've heard it from past Dlinemen, WR's, DB's, pretty much everybody.

I"ve said it a million times, but OTA's to me are nothing but health checks for injuries, touch base and for new guys to the team. The stuff for vets and the core stuff for the season happens when August hits. Give me a guy that is turned off in the offseason, but practices and prepares like Rodgers has for his entire career, vs someone that practices at 80% but shows up for OTA's and you know they aren't even giving 30% at OTA's. I think they should televise them sometime so people can see just how much work is being done.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

"And so for the success of any championship team, there has to be a commitment as a group that you're going to be the hardest working group and the hardest working team to play against. Now it sounds easy and it sounds simple, but as days go by, and the year drags on, mentally becomes more and more tough. You have to have the right frame of mind. You have to be strong-willed, and you have to believe that the practice you're putting in and the time you putting in is going to make you a better player and a better team the next day. Nobody thought of practice as, oh gosh, I got to practice today. I want to make the Hall of Fame. It was all about taking in the knowledge of what's going to make us more successful as a group, what's going to make our path to lifting the Stanley Cup the best path possible. And that was easy. That was through hard work and commitment. There's no shortcuts. There's no angles. You have to put in the time." - Wayne Gretzky

Practice with a purpose, to make "the group" better.

Okay, Rodgers practices during the season, correct? Plenty of teams win championships with important players skipping voluntary workouts. I like Gretzky but, while all of that sounds really cool, lots of teams workout together in OTAs and DON'T win championships. I just don't mind a player skipping voluntary activities (when said player is REALLY good) because it just gives more time for other players to improve.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just don't mind a player skipping voluntary activities (when said player is REALLY good) because it just gives more time for other players to improve.

That is the problem, you don't see this as a team thing. It isn't JUST about Rodgers, its about improving your QB's connection with his teammates. Whether it is a mental or physical connection, it matters.

 

[mradtke66]

That is the problem, you don't see this as a team thing. It isn't JUST about Rodgers, its about improving your QB's connection with his teammates. Whether it is a mental or physical connection, it matters.

I still don't see OTAs being the kind of helpful that you do. Calling them practice is even a stretch--I am firmly in the camp that OTAs are new employee orientation and little else. Not saying that having him present would be harmful, but the actual benefit is likely approaching 0.

The current CBA really limits what can be done and when. Under the old rules, I'd be very critical of vets skipping McCarthy's old QB Camp or whatever he called it.

I'm similarly critical of skipping pre-season practices. Those can, will, and do matter.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I still don't see OTAs being the kind of helpful that you do. Calling them practice is even a stretch--I am firmly in the camp that OTAs are new employee orientation and little else. Not saying that having him present would be harmful, but the actual benefit is likely approaching 0.

The current CBA really limits what can be done and when. Under the old rules, I'd be very critical of vets skipping McCarthy's old QB Camp or whatever he called it.

I'm similarly critical of skipping pre-season practices. Those can, will, and do matter.

I don't think anyone is trying to say that OTA's are critical for ALL to attend in order to win a SB, but every little bit helps. Now in a situation where you have new receivers and/or a new QB, I feel strongly that you want your vets and new guys, of those 2 groups, to spend as much time together as they can. I don't remember the game it happened in, but I remember there was some talk after, of Rodgers hand signals and if the receivers understood them yet. On top of working on the basics and small nuances, you are also building comradery with your teammates. I think a rookie WR/TE is going to get a lot more out of studying plays, when the guy running the plays is there to explain them.

Side bet, if Rodgers is traded to the Jets BEFORE OTA's....he will attend them. Why? Not because he needs the practice for himself, but he needs to practice with his new teammates. Not to mention, to show his new fan base and coaches, he is all in.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

That is the problem, you don't see this as a team thing. It isn't JUST about Rodgers, its about improving your QB's connection with his teammates. Whether it is a mental or physical connection, it matters.

I never mentioned Rodgers. I mean I don't care about ANY player that's already really good coming in for voluntary activities. You laugh but Brady has skipped OTAs, Chris Jones (Chiefs DT) has skipped OTAs. Absolutely nobody on this forum will look at a bad game Love has during the season and say, "This bad game was worth it because he came into voluntary team activities!" I'm not saying OTAs aren't really good for younger players, they are! I'm saying that no fan, ever, has refrained from blaming a terrible performance during the season because that player attended OTAs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I never mentioned Rodgers. I mean I don't care about ANY player that's already really good coming in for voluntary activities. You laugh but Brady has skipped OTAs, Chris Jones (Chiefs DT) has skipped OTAs. Absolutely nobody on this forum will look at a bad game Love has during the season and say, "This bad game was worth it because he came into voluntary team activities!" I'm not saying OTAs aren't really good for younger players, they are! I'm saying that no fan, ever, has refrained from blaming a terrible performance during the season because that player attended OTAs.

Let me ask you a 2 part question then. If Rodgers is traded to the Jets do you think:

1. He will attend their OTA's?

2. In your opinion, should he attend their OTA's and why or why not?

 

[tynimiller]

If OTAs were as worthless as many people claim....I see zero reason why they even would exist and be utilized by so many teams.

 

[Mondio]

answered in his first statement, they are new employee orientation. and he would be one.

 

[Mondio]

If OTAs were as worthless as many people claim....I see zero reason why they even would exist and be utilized by so many teams.

Nobody said they're useless

they're holdovers from the days when guys would go do other things in the offseason and show up out of shape. back when players needed it, and you could really work them at these camps.

now they don't well some don't, some still do, but they can't work them that hard anyway. But it's a chance to see them and say, better get it in gear. With guys like Rodgers, that's never been an issue.

They're to get new guys oriented to the facilities, the playbooks, procedures etc. to check on injured vets, everyone is together and see how they're working etc. The coaches can see some of the new guys and maybe see how they take direction etc. They have value. But their impact on the season is minimal at best and as the players have higher histories of production and experience that impact is even smaller if it could even be measured.

Most of the guys that get most of the work at those things don't even make the final roster.

 

[rmontro]

The way I feel about OTAs is I don't really care so much about older players attending them, because the season is a long slog, and older guys might be more likely to burn out. On the other hand, maybe Rodgers would have developed more trust with his receivers if he had taken the extra time with them.

One Twitter poll more wanted him gone than stay..close to 20k voted

Other one very small size, most said glad it is over

I'm not on the "hate Rodgers" train, but since 2010 Packers seasons have been largely marked by a feeling of disappointment and a failure to reach potential. Now I don't think that's all Rodgers' fault, but he also didn't throw the team on his back and say "I'm taking us all the way". Maybe that isn't even something that's possible, I don't know. But I'm not surprised the Packers might breath a sigh of relief breaking ties with this era, because while there was a lot of success, it was also frustrating and exhausting.

As I've said before, maybe the biggest problem with Rodgers is that he was overhyped. It created expectations that were not met.

 

[mradtke66]

I don't think anyone is trying to say that OTA's are critical for ALL to attend in order to win a SB, but every little bit helps. Now in a situation where you have new receivers and/or a new QB, I feel strongly that you want your vets and new guys, of those 2 groups, to spend as much time together as they can. I don't remember the game it happened in, but I remember there was some talk after, of Rodgers hand signals and if the receivers understood them yet.

My issue with this is it presumes that QBs and WRs spend a lot time together at OTAs. It is my understanding the majority of time is spent with your position groups, not across position groups. You're running through drills, understanding terminology, etc. It really is new hire orientation.

My own experience, having onboarded and trained more than a few new hires, I try like hell to avoid the advanced stuff the first week or month. I've got my 20 years in the industry and 8 at this company. Once you're settled in and know who to ask what, then I we start digging into the tricky stuff. Assuming training a new NFL player has any commonality with any new hire (and imho, some), showing hand signals on day one is going to cook those guys.

On top of working on the basics and small nuances, you are also building comradery with your teammates. I think a rookie WR/TE is going to get a lot more out of studying plays, when the guy running the plays is there to explain them.

Again, I don't think the quarterbacks have that much time with the receivers at OTAs. Preseason, tons. Which is why I value them so much more.

Side bet, if Rodgers is traded to the Jets BEFORE OTA's....he will attend them. Why? Not because he needs the practice for himself, but he needs to practice with his new teammates. Not to mention, to show his new fan base and coaches, he is all in.

Naw, he should attend New Hire Orientation, I mean, OTAs, because he'll be a new hire.

 

[AmishMafia]

Absolutely nobody on this forum will look at a bad game Love has during the season and say, "This bad game was worth it because he came into voluntary team activities!" I'm not saying OTAs aren't really good for younger players, they are! I'm saying that no fan, ever, has refrained from blaming a terrible performance during the season because that player attended OTAs.

Did anyone say on this forum after one of Rodgers' bad games "I'm glad he didn't go to OTAs, I don't care if we lose!"

You won't convince me that it would not have benefited Rodgers, the receivers, and the Packers in general, if Rodgers had attended the OTAs. He had 5 months of free time and we are talking a few days of his time. It wasn't worth it to him.

 

[mradtke66]

If OTAs were as worthless as many people claim....I see zero reason why they even would exist and be utilized by so many teams.

It's not black and white.

There is value in OTAs. How much and to who (or is it whom? that part of english I've never gotten right) varies.

IMHO, any new player should attend them. Full stop. Past that, the longer you've been on the team, in the league, in the system reduces the value received and delivered.

I expect them to teach you how this team huddles up, how the break the huddle, real basic stuff. Names of groupings and formations. No matter how long you've been in the league, everyone has basic differences.

If you're a first time defensive play caller (MLB or safety, whatever) you should probably be there. This is a new skill you may have never done before.

 

[rmontro]

I suppose if the OTAs were that important, they'd be mandatory. Of course, that could be a players union thing.