The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Deleted member 6794]

And yet nearly every one of your posts on the matter is positive Rodgers and negative towards the organization. Weird.

As @Schultz correctly pointed out, criticizing the front office doesn't make me less of a fan of the team as one that agrees with every move made by them.

nobody doesnt appreciate what he has done. They are just realistic at where his skill level an attitude is currently at. You have repeatedly insisted he is still playing at a high level. Yet watching him now and clips of 10 years ago it is very obvious he is no longer what he once was.

What the heck are you talking about? Before Rodgers broke his thumb he put up amazing numbers in the past 38 starts, completing 69.6% of his 1,225 throws for 9,571 yards, 95 touchdowns and only 12 interceptions for a passer rating of 114.37. Of course he's not a same player as he was 10 years ago but there's no doubt he was still an elite QB.

then explain it. How will next years revenues suffer because of Rodgers absence? Will ticket holders demand their money back? Will folks eat fewer brats at the stadium? Will the NFL withhold the TV revenues? This is the hero worship ideas that seem to show a greater appreciation for Rodgers than the Packers.

It's entirely possible a portion of fans won't show up for games or spend less at Lambeau with the team struggling. It won't result in a significant drop-off in local revenue being created but there's a chance it won't be on par with past seasons.

So you think that Rodgers is so amazing that the Jets would value having him for one year as for two? And that being unsure that he even wants to play wouldn't matter? That he is so awesome they should trade just to be associated with his greatness?

You don't understand it. Of course Rodgers' age diminishes his trade value. My point is the Jets didn't need Rodgers to tell them about it on the McAfee show, they were well aware about it long before that.

I can't understand how people just don't see the obvious. Are they so blinded by their love of Rodgers that they actually think the Packers are going to just lose all their fans and be cut out of the media deal that the other 31 teams are in on, because Rodgers is gone? I got news for them, the majority of Packer fans want Rodgers gone. Further, a majority of those fans know that Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance of winning in 2023, but are fine starting the "post Rodgers era" a year or 2 early. This isn't about Rodgers play on the field, it is more about his play off the field.

I highly doubt the majority of Packers fans want Rodgers gone. While the Packers won't lose most fans because of him being traded there will be some who won't show up for games, spent less money on merchandise etc. There's a distinct chance that the local revenue created by the team will significantly regress if the team struggles for an extended period of time.

That's exactly what you said last year. And wasn't to our benefit

I'm convinced the Packers would have been worse without Rodgers last season.

So you think Gute is immune to popular opinion?

There's no way a general manager of an NFL team should allow public opinion to have an impact on his decision.

I would agree with that, but you also have to factor in money and other variables. Without restarting the whole rationale behind trading Aaron Rodgers discussion, on the field performance is probably near the bottom or not even on the list of reasons for trading him.

On the field performance should be the most important factor in those decisions though.

Just like the shared revenue from media contracts, the NFL has made sure that 40% of the ticket sales are evenly distributed. I do not see the Packers 60% of their home tickets sales ever going down. Unless, you want to factor playoff ticket sales, which they didn't have any in 2022.

The Packers are tied for third in the league in home playoff games since Rodgers became the starter. While they didn't make the playoffs last season their success generated additional revenue over the past 15 years.

Another little tidbit I learned about revenue sharing, the revenue made on NFL licensed jerseys and other gear, is equally split among teams. So if you buy an Aaron Rodgers jersey, all of the profits from that sale do not go directly into the Packers hands, only 1/32nd of it.

That's not true for merchandise being bought in the Packers Pro Shop but only for nationally generated revenue (NFL.com shop for example).

Last season was much different. He looked poised and patient. He went through his progression and snapped those passes in accurately. His pocket movement and awareness was good but could be better.

Love threw most of his passes to his first read, especially against the Eagles. We will have to wait and see how well he can go through his progressions as well as deal with opponents blitzing him until the regular season.

Why is it so surprising to some fans That the Packers would move on from a soon to be 40 year old QB coming off his near career worst season?

It's not surprising at all. It's mind-boggling how many fans can't wait for Rodgers to be run out of town as they expect the Packers will be as successful without him though.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

As @Schultz correctly pointed out, criticizing the front office doesn't make me less of a fan of the team as one that agrees with every move made by them.



What the heck are you talking about? Before Rodgers broke his thumb he put up amazing numbers in the past 38 starts, completing 69.6% of his 1,225 throws for 9,571 yards, 95 touchdowns and only 12 interceptions for a passer rating of 114.37. Of course he's not a same player as he was 10 years ago but there's no doubt he was still an elite QB.



It's entirely possible a portion of fans won't show up for games or spend less at Lambeau with the team struggling. It won't result in a significant drop-off in local revenue being created but there's a chance it won't be on par with past seasons.



You don't understand it. Of course Rodgers' age diminishes his trade value. My point is the Jets didn't need Rodgers to tell them about it on the McAfee show, they were well aware about it long before that.



I highly doubt the majority of Packers fans want Rodgers gone. While the Packers won't lose most fans because of him being traded there will be some who won't show up for games, spent less money on merchandise etc. There's a distinct chance that the local revenue created by the team will significantly regress if the team struggles for an extended period of time.



I'm convinced the Packers would have been worse without Rodgers last season.



There's no way a general manager of an NFL team should allow public opinion to have an impact on his decision.



On the field performance should be the most important factor in those decisions though.




The Packers are tied for third in the league in home playoff games since Rodgers became the starter. While they didn't make the playoffs last season their success generated additional revenue over the past 15 years.



That's not true for merchandise being bought in the Packers Pro Shop but only for nationally generated revenue (NFL.com shop for example).



Love threw most of his passes to his first read, especially against the Eagles. We will have to wait and see how well he can go through his progressions as well as deal with opponents blitzing him until the regular season.



It's not surprising at all. It's mind-boggling how many fans can't wait for Rodgers to be run out of town as they expect the Packers will be as successful without him though.

I can only speak for myself here but I can`t wait for him to be run out of town because he simply doesn`t want to BE here anymore. I`ve felt that way about players before (Favre, Bennett etc). If they dislike it here, there`s the door. Anybody who begins to think they are more important than the team, **** off ! JMHO I`m not here to stoke anybodies ego.

 

[AmishMafia]

I can only speak for myself here but I can`t wait for him to be run out of town because he simply doesn`t want to BE here anymore. I`ve felt that way about players before (Favre, Bennett etc). If they dislike it here, there`s the door. Anybody who begins to think they are more important than the team, **** off ! JMHO I`m not here to stoke anybodies ego.

Yup. Don't forget Jennings.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Yup. Don't forget Jennings.

Who ?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can only speak for myself here but I can`t wait for him to be run out of town because he simply doesn`t want to BE here anymore. I`ve felt that way about players before (Favre, Bennett etc). If they dislike it here, there`s the door. Anybody who begins to think they are more important than the team, **** off ! JMHO I`m not here to stoke anybodies ego.

Maybe if we are lucky, a few of his Super fan apologists will follow him to NY.

 

[Mondio]

The TE who shall not be named is the only guy I was excited to see leave in recent memory. The rest is just the simple cycle of the game. I don't really hold it against any of them. Not Favre, not Rodgers, or Jennings. I thought they all gave us quite a bit while they were and feel lucky to have been there for it.

 

[AmishMafia]

What the heck are you talking about? Before Rodgers broke his thumb he put up amazing numbers in the past 38 starts, completing 69.6% of his 1,225 throws for 9,571 yards, 95 touchdowns and only 12 interceptions for a passer rating of 114.37. Of course he's not a same player as he was 10 years ago

Clearly Adams made Rodgers look better than he was. If you can't see the substantial increase in errant passes, short, and non throws then you aren't really watching the games. Even completed passes are often the WR diving for the ball or altering his route such that YAC are gone.

I highly doubt the majority of Packers fans want Rodgers gone.

I honestly don't know of anyone other than some posters online that want to keep him. As you can imagine, Rodgers has been a part of many conversations here in Green Bay. I'm sure there are some who still adore him, but they are keeping quiet.

It's not surprising at all. It's mind-boggling how many fans can't wait for Rodgers to be run out of town as they expect the Packers will be as successful without him though.

We won't win a SB with Rodgers playing QB. His leadership skills have evaporated its time to move on if we want to win a SB.

 

[Firethorn1001]

I can only speak for myself here but I can`t wait for him to be run out of town because he simply doesn`t want to BE here anymore.

I'll miss Rodgers on the field to some degree (not going to miss the dragging of the play clock to 1 second just to call a time out or the endless buffet of dour looks), but the off season public persona of Rodgers I'm not going to miss at all. That guy I just want gone. Maybe we can have a normal offseason of looking forward to next season instead of fixated on this clown.

Generally excited for the upcoming season. Definitely feels different. More of a blank slate. The last few years have felt routine almost like.. "Ok.. lets have a good season, make the playoffs and bow out at some point before the Super Bowl'. I think Love could hover near the top ten of QBs. Don't think playoffs will be in the cards, but that isn't going to be a Jordan Love shortcoming, going to be a team shortcoming as they just have too many holes and/or a depth issue.

 

[Schultz]

It would be interesting to see how the Packers did the year after Bart Starr stopped playing. I have no idea, but my guess is the history of the team as a whole has a residual effect and it takes many down years to show dramatic decreases in revenue. I don’t 2023 is any exception.
Also, did Brett Hundley resign with us? I didn’t see that.

Why are we living in the past is my question?
Why is it so surprising to some fans That the Packers would move on from a soon to be 40 year old QB coming off his near career worst season?
* No he was not a Top 5 QB
*Yes his Contract is ascending in the wrong direction.
*No we did not make the playoffs and our Offense spiraled at home against the Lions! Pathetic
*Yes he makes league high $$$
*No he didn’t play anywhere near $50Mil worth imo.
*Yes Rodgers is fed up with our FO and continues to make that publicly clear.
*No he’s likely not playing through his current contract before retiring
*Yes he’s likely retiring soon
*No he’s not the only QB in the world that can win games (contrary to some sentiment)
*Double NO he’s not a good role model!!
*Yes you heard me correctly and I should’ve bolded and changed the font there!

Who cares if he plays lights out elsewhere in 2023. He doesn’t want to be in GB and he’s made that clear. He’s likely out of the league by 2024-2025 by his own admission.

My response was directly to the post by Amish which I quoted. Unfortunately you jumped on it the first chance you got after taking it completely out of context. IMO. I am not surprised though, as (me included) some of us tend not to realize where a poster is coming from some of the time.

 

[tynimiller]

I highly doubt the majority of Packers fans want Rodgers gone.

I know many that are done with the Rodgers carousel that still don't want him gone as the team's QB....there is a massive distinction there and difference.

 

[OldSchool101]

As @Schultz correctly pointed out, criticizing the front office doesn't make me less of a fan of the team as one that agrees with every move made by them.

That’s not the issue. The issue is you rarely say anything good about our FO in comparison to the negative slights. I get being critical about Brian, but throw a positive in there maybe every 36th remark.

It's not surprising at all. It's mind-boggling how many fans can't wait for Rodgers to be run out of town as they expect the Packers will be as successful without him though.

We’re really not getting anywhere with him and that’s after pushing $$ repetitively using every possible angle of debt maneuvering. Restructures, Bonus Conversions, a crapload of Voided monies and now we’re on to league high money and fully guaranteed contracts. What else do we do, start trading away our future draft classes??
It didn’t work and Rodgers ill-timed pedestrian performances when we needed him most were definitely a big part of that. Then to put icing on the cake he’s a sour ****. He couldn’t be anymore Sour if he were sucking on a lemon

Sorry that was a belt level punch, But it felt great!!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I get being critical about Brian, but throw a positive in there maybe every 36th remark.

So about half-way into his typical post?

 

[Pkrjones]

Few thoughts on Love & his future in GB. With the recent extension of Jalen Hurts (5yr/$255Mil w/ $179Mil guaranteed) I think Gute needs to use the 5th year option ($20.24Mil) on Love by May 1. If, as I think will happen, Love plays well & proves he's a legitimate NFL starter I hope Gute extends him through 2029 for $35-40Mil/yr with a large SB. If Gute waits until AFTER the '23 season there may be many more $50+Mil/yr QB's that will set the bar for Love?

As with AR's 2nd contract try to lock-up Love for 5 years at "reasonable" rate with a large SB. Should love become our 3rd future-HOF'er he'll deserve to set the bar in '29. Of course, Love's agent may laugh at that type of extension and then GB is stuck playing the franchise-tag game and/or paying $50+Mil/yr in '25.

 

[Firethorn1001]

If, as I think will happen, Love plays well & proves he's a legitimate NFL starter I hope Gute extends him through 2029 for $35-40Mil/yr with a large SB.

If he plays well, I can't imagine him 'settling' on $35M after the season. I mean Daniel Jones got 4/160M. He probably wouldn't be a rush to sign unless they give him a bump over the 5th year contract and do something like 4/160 with almost all of it guaranteed.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Few thoughts on Love & his future in GB. With the recent extension of Jalen Hurts (5yr/$255Mil w/ $179Mil guaranteed) I think Gute needs to use the 5th year option ($20.24Mil) on Love by May 1. If, as I think will happen, Love plays well & proves he's a legitimate NFL starter I hope Gute extends him through 2029 for $35-40Mil/yr with a large SB. If Gute waits until AFTER the '23 season there may be many more $50+Mil/yr QB's that will set the bar for Love?

As with AR's 2nd contract try to lock-up Love for 5 years at "reasonable" rate with a large SB. Should love become our 3rd future-HOF'er he'll deserve to set the bar in '29. Of course, Love's agent may laugh at that type of extension and then GB is stuck playing the franchise-tag game and/or paying $50+Mil/yr in '25.

Don`t be daft, Love is a bust !! A total waste of a draft pick

 

[OldSchool101]

Few thoughts on Love & his future in GB. With the recent extension of Jalen Hurts (5yr/$255Mil w/ $179Mil guaranteed) I think Gute needs to use the 5th year option ($20.24Mil) on Love by May 1. If, as I think will happen, Love plays well & proves he's a legitimate NFL starter I hope Gute extends him through 2029 for $35-40Mil/yr with a large SB. If Gute waits until AFTER the '23 season there may be many more $50+Mil/yr QB's that will set the bar for Love?

As with AR's 2nd contract try to lock-up Love for 5 years at "reasonable" rate with a large SB. Should love become our 3rd future-HOF'er he'll deserve to set the bar in '29. Of course, Love's agent may laugh at that type of extension and then GB is stuck playing the franchise-tag game and/or paying $50+Mil/yr in '25.

That’s about right.
If he’s an average Level QB, call it 11th-20th ranked he’s gonna get about $40M per season across a longer 5 year deal. It sounds a smidge high in 2025, but it’ll correct itself real fast as the seasons go by. By 2027,2028 $40Mil Is good in 2029 it’s a steal.

Btw. Taking out the 5 low salaries and 5 high salaries the average 2nd or 3rd contract is exactly $40mil in 2023. That included established veterans like Wilson, Cousins, Stafford etc.. Those guys have some history

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Don`t be daft, Love is a bust !! A total waste of a draft pick

I know a few Packer fans that are SECRETLY hoping for that to happen. That way they can gloat and say "see told you all along, dumb pick". Now if Love is successful, their out will be "Well Gute still shouldn't have drafted him, it screwed Rodgers over and...and...we would have won 3 SB's had another player been picked." Yeah right, I see Rodgers had back to back MVP's after Love was selected and SB? LOL....yeah...we would have otherwise drafted an immediate high impact rookie with that last first round pick.

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[AmishMafia]

I know a few Packer fans that are SECRETLY hoping for that to happen. That way they can gloat and say "see told you all along, dumb pick". Now if Love is successful, their out will be "Well Gute still shouldn't have drafted him, it screwed Rodgers over and...and...we would have won 3 SB's had another player been picked." Yeah right, I see Rodgers had back to back MVP's after Love was selected and SB? LOL....yeah...we would have otherwise drafted an immediate high impact rookie with that last first round pick.

Basically the same folks who said Aaron Rodgers was a wasted pick for the first 7 years of his career.

 

[OldSchool101]

Basically the same folks who said Aaron Rodgers was a wasted pick for the first 7 years of his career.

Maybe they are slow learners and late bloomers. Or maybe they are wearing Bloomers? One or the other

My Grandma Fritzy used to tell me I was a smart fella’
Or a fart smella’ I don’t remember which?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Basically the same folks who said Aaron Rodgers was a wasted pick for the first 7 years of his career.

Also the same ones that had Rodgers tanked or retired in 2021, would have been calling for Gute's head because he didn't see it coming and have a plan for replacing that old of a QB.

 

[rmontro]

I think they wanted to move on after last year
but think of the public relations storm if they did that after back to back mvp seasons

That sneaky Rodgers, putting up back to back MVP seasons just to screw over the team...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That sneaky Rodgers, putting up back to back MVP seasons just to screw over the team...

That sneaky Gute, drafting Love to light a fire under Rodgers as$...

 

[Firethorn1001]

That sneaky Gute, drafting Love to light a fire under Rodgers as$...

That sneaky sis getting four in a row in Connect Four.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That sneaky sis getting four in a row in Connect Four.

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[OldSchool101]

That sneaky Rodgers, putting up back to back MVP seasons just to screw over the team...

If we could only get Postseason MVP play once every 12 years or so, we’d be in great shape. But here we are we’re practically regular season Champions!
It’s like getting a consolation Prize