Studs and duds KC

[Pokerbrat2000]

Again are you not reading properly... The argument is we were willing to move past Favre because we saw the potential of Rodgers against the cowboys (front office specifically stated this).. no one is saying that for Jordan Love after this game

I can read quite well thank you. I see a fan, that admits he hated the pick of Love to begin with, jump in after Love's first ever real playing time and declare himself to be Nostradamus.

That is all fine and well and you can use a narrow viewpoint of looking at the Favre-Rodgers transition, the same way I could go through the history of great QB's and show you how Love is following that pattern. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong. Your persistence that you know Love isn't the guy, just goes to show how narrow your focus is.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Would you rather had Joe Burrows?

???

When did the Packers have a legit shot at drafting Burrows?

I don't really understand the point of the question.

 

[jhawk008]

It would be ignorant to do so based on one game. I said it before the game ever started even if he put up 400 yards and 4 TDs with no picks I don’t care, it wouldn’t confirm anything. Rodgers is still best QB on roster and until that changes and Love gets actually serious prep time for games and puts together three or four predicting is purely conjecture and “eye test” bs.

It's ignorant not to understand what the organization put us under. We are forced to make a decision on Jordan Love, because the FO forced our hand.

If Jordan Love threw 400+ yards with 4 TDs it absolutely would tell the Pack, regardless of what happens this year we are moving onto Jordan Love. That's 10000% what would have happened.

This didn't happen tho, and I wish that it did. Instead we got confirmation on everything we've been hearing about him. Inaccurate, bad ball placement, and poor decision making

 

[Schultz]

We need Bahk at LT and Jenkins in the middle.

The fact that Bahk did not play this week concerns me. Maybe they felt they had no chance to win so they erred on the side of caution is what I am hoping.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think you atleast see his progression next PS before making any decisions with him.

Of course. Anyone that thinks the Packers should cut Love before that time, just doesn't understand the development process of most NFL QB's.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's ignorant not to understand what the organization put us under. We are forced to make a decision on Jordan Love, because the FO forced our hand.

As opposed to when they use draft picks on any other position. It is the way the process works. I won't rehash the ins and outs of why Jordan Love was drafted, but there was a logical method to the Packers apparent madness.

If he doesn't work out, that doesn't make the process wrong, it just means that this particular draft pick didn't pan out, same as happens for other players and other teams.

 

[easyk83]

I get that, but it still doesn't completely absolve Jordan Love.

When you have an inexperienced QB like Love you want to show run a lot and do a lot of max protect against a Spags coordinated defense. Force 4 defenders to cover 3 wide receivers and make sure you can match up their rushers with blockers. A seasoned QB will figure that sort of stuff out while a rookie or first time starter will be more likely to struggle. Rodgers will almost always hit the hot route against that sort of pass rush while Love just couldn't.

During Rodgers 2008 season MM pretty much restricted him to throwing to one side of the field throughout much of the season. Floods galore to slow the game down for him. Ideally you would have a veteran center, we had Lucas Patrick, who could also call out protection calls.

 

[jhawk008]

As opposed to when they use draft picks on any other position. It is the way the process works. I won't rehash the ins and outs of why Jordan Love was drafted, but there was a logical method to the Packers apparent madness.

If he doesn't work out, that doesn't make the process wrong, it just means that this particular draft pick didn't pan out, same as happens for other players and other teams.

QB position =/= other positions

You can't miss on QBs. It puts your organization in a bind for years

 

[milani]

???

When did the Packers have a legit shot at drafting Burrows?

I don't really understand the point of the question.

They did not have a shot unless they gave Cincy draft pick city. Point being Hawk expected Jordan Love to come out and put up numbers LIKE a Joe Burrows. We did not draft Love to be a first year starter. Neither would Cincy if they had Rodgers as their franchise. We drafted for the future like many teams do. And development takes time. He sees it differently.

 

[easyk83]

QB position =/= other positions

You can't miss on QBs. It puts your organization in a bind for years

Well more like you will miss on QBs and any effort to find one will likely be a multi year effort. Hence taking Rodgers before Favre was finished or Love while Rodgers still had multiple good years left. If Love doesnt look much improved by next PS we can move no from him in the 23 draft.

I expect another QB taken in rounds 3-next year btw.

I think Ted Thompson and Ron Wolfe both used to say that the worst time to find a quarterback was when you needed one.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They did not have a shot unless they gave Cincy draft pick city. Point being Hawk expected Jordan Love to come out and put up numbers LIKE a Joe Burrows. We did not draft Love to be a first year starter. Neither would Cincy if they had Rodgers as their franchise. We drafted for the future like many teams do. And development takes time. He sees it differently.

Got you and I agree and already pointed that out to him. He would rather use the term "First round pick", because ambiguity makes his argument look better.

 

[easyk83]

Got you and I agree and already pointed that out to him. He would rather use the term "First round pick", because ambiguity makes his argument look better.

The crafty old dog strikes again.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You can't miss on QBs. It puts your organization in a bind for years

Didn't seem to hurt the Patriots, they drafted 10 QB's during Brady's tenure.

Packers used a #56 pick on Brian Brohm back in 2008, didn't seem to put them in a bind.

You still haven't answered my question...."What did you expect to see from Jordan Love yesterday?"

 

[Arod2gjdd]

If anyone is looking for Rodgers's first real NFL appearance:

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Who is the more poised, confident, composed, accurate QB? I know one is a future HoFer, but it's night and day

 

[jhawk008]

Didn't seem to hurt the Patriots, they drafted 10 QB's during Brady's tenure.

Packers used a #56 pick on Brian Brohm back in 2008, didn't seem to put them in a bind.

You still haven't answered my question...."What did you expect to see from Jordan Love yesterday?"

None of those 10 QBs (besides Jimmy G) were any threat or semblance of being the guy behind Brady

Even Jimmy G was a mistake, the ring count shows it.

I stated this multiple times.. flashes of throws and decision making that says he's a starting caliber QB. What throw or decision did he make where you said "heck of a throw!"

 

[OldSchool101]

It would be ignorant to do so based on one game. I said it before the game ever started even if he put up 400 yards and 4 TDs with no picks I don’t care, it wouldn’t confirm anything. Rodgers is still best QB on roster and until that changes and Love gets actually serious prep time for games and puts together three or four predicting is purely conjecture and “eye test” bs.

Haha. I like it Tyni.. calls it like he sees it!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I stated this multiple times.. flashes of throws and decision making that says he's a starting caliber QB. What throw or decision did he make where you said "heck of a throw!"

Quite a few at practice and a few yesterday, I just haven't shut down the recorder and said "that's a wrap, Love is garbage."

You pretend that we are debating whether Love played well yesterday or not. I haven't seen one person give that impression.

You keep side stepping my question...."What were your expectations of Love yesterday?"

 

[jhawk008]

Quite a few at practice and a few yesterday, I just haven't shut down the recorder and said "that's a wrap, Love is garbage."

You pretend that we are debating whether Love played well yesterday or not. I haven't seen one person give that impression.

You keep side stepping my question...."What were your expectations of Love yesterday?"

Reading comprehension is key. I suggest you try it. Take a second, reread what I posted. If you're still confused, take a step back and do it again.. if even then you're STILL confused, take a step back and do it again

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Reading comprehension is key. I suggest you try it. Take a second, reread what I posted. If you're still confused, take a step back and do it again.. if even then you're STILL confused, take a step back and do it again

Honestly, I am not going to bother, since you just can't answer that question directly. You seem to be posting the same thing over and over, to which I see very few agreeing with you.

Hope to see you back posting when you have something more to add to the discussion.

 

[jhawk008]

Honestly, I am not going to bother, since you just can't answer that question directly. You seem to be posting the same thing over and over, to which I see very few agreeing with you.

Hope to see you back posting when you have something more to add to the discussion.

It's frustrating when someone is unable to read properly. I hope you get that figured out, sincerely

I will say this, MLF seemed to be moving around alot during the game. I read some speculation he was doing the Mcvay with Goff. Making reads for Love then moving to specific spots after the checks were made in order to show him where to throw. I wouldn't be surprised by it, but it def shows again that he's not ready

 

[tynimiller]

It's ignorant not to understand what the organization put us under. We are forced to make a decision on Jordan Love, because the FO forced our hand.

If Jordan Love threw 400+ yards with 4 TDs it absolutely would tell the Pack, regardless of what happens this year we are moving onto Jordan Love. That's 10000% what would have happened.

This didn't happen tho, and I wish that it did. Instead we got confirmation on everything we've been hearing about him. Inaccurate, bad ball placement, and poor decision making

It would have been ignorant to decide that if that had played out. I pray you’re not married because clearly your expectations and knee jerk reactions would drive someone crazy.

 

[jhawk008]

It would have been ignorant to decide that if that had played out. I pray you’re not married because clearly your expectations and knee jerk reactions would drive someone crazy.

What have we heard about Love in practice? Because that game confirmed the reports we've been hearing about him in practice

 

[tynimiller]

What have we heard about Love in practice? Because that game confirmed the reports we've been hearing about him in practice

The only thing I care less about than how Love practices is your thoughts honestly. Give me plenty of days to prepare with the ones, a few games (three minimum) before I can even remotely begin to guess about a player and what they might bring to the league or team they’re on. To do otherwise would be ignorant.

 

[OldSchool101]

It's ignorant not to understand what the organization put us under. We are forced to make a decision on Jordan Love, because the FO forced our hand.

If Jordan Love threw 400+ yards with 4 TDs it absolutely would tell the Pack, regardless of what happens this year we are moving onto Jordan Love. That's 10000% what would have happened.

This didn't happen tho, and I wish that it did. Instead we got confirmation on everything we've been hearing about him. Inaccurate, bad ball placement, and poor decision making

You’re certainly entitled to an opinion. But I think your opinion is not one using any degree of prudence or being tempered or wise (applicable use of knowledge)
1 game for me either way wasn’t going to make me take my entire next paycheck and buy Jordan Love stock.

For myself, I need a handful of games in varying scenarios to process and come to an ultimate solution or decision on a player. I would never in a million years use a players first appearance game (good or bad) to wholly evaluate them for their career outlook. To me it just makes more sense to evaluate if they are improving or regressing from one contest to the next.

You being correct or incorrect in the grande scheme is immaterial to me. Guessing for a player to ultimately fail would be in your favor though, so taking that stab isn’t impressing me long term. The vast majority of QB’s have shorter careers than say…Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre. That’s just taking superior odds and playing it safe.
1 game on short notice for a QB is not even close to enough tape for me to write a player off or to use it as proof of some ultimate, long-term worth.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's frustrating when someone is unable to read properly. I hope you get that figured out, sincerely

Say something new and interesting and I might read it. You came in telling everyone you were disappointed with Love yesterday. Then you throw out the "oh by the way, I knew he was a bad pick when it happened." How can you be disappointed in something, that you were already disappointed in?

You appear to be one of these implacable Packer fans, that only like to complain, because you think it makes you sound smart.