Nfccg duds

[Pugger]

Disappointed. Disappointed in 1-5 championship games. Disappointed we couldn't capitalize when the GOAT had a pretty poor game. Disappointed Mr. "ALL GAS NO ******* BREAK" decided the best course of action was counting on the D to be flawless. Disappointed our stud qb shriveled in a big moment and didn't try to run it in. Disappointed the refs swallowed their whistles all game long until it meant sealing the game away. Disappointed our top tier RB who has been reliable all season long coughed it up twice. Disappointed in the fact when we all we had to do was keep receivers in front we let one sneak out with six seconds left.

GB is on the verge of nfl mediocrity for the next x years and we let another great season slip through our fingers.

I don't blame Jones for the second fumble. He got hurt on that play and never returned.

 

[MadCat]

I think it's highly likely that next season is Rodgers' last in Green Bay. If they win it all, I think he'll retire. If they don't, I think he'll have had enough and look to finish up his career elsewhere.

Imagine Rodgers with the Saints. Or the Colts. We've had 10 years to get him enough help to win another championship and we haven't even been able to get back to the game. The organization has failed him. Tampa Bay did everything they could to put enough talent around Brady to win today despite him not having his best game and that's part of the reason they're playing in Super Bowl 55 and we are not. It took them one single try with a HOF QB to get to the game that we've had 10 consecutive failures at getting him to.

Exactly. Brady wanted Gronk, he got Gronk. Brady wanted AB, he got AB. They went all in and we didn’t. Same reason we always fall short when you boil it down.

 

[Mondio]

I would be curious to know how MLF thought our defense was going to get the ball back after opting for the FG.

well, they had just forced like 3 turnovers, it's not like they were getting destroyed. and if not for the refs finding where they hid their hanky's all game, it worked.

 

[PackinMSP]

well, they had just forced like 3 turnovers, it's not like they were getting destroyed. and if not for the refs finding where they hid their hanky's all game, it worked.

Right I actually like the FG call

If things go right, AR gets the ball with 45 to 1:30 left with NO timeouts but I like our chances

The bad thing is, Tom Brady remembered to AVOID J'aire this time LOL

 

[adambr2]

I really don't get the uproar with the kick.

The defense had to stop them no matter what

Having to stop them from getting in FG range to possibly win the game and having to stop them from even getting a first down are not even close to being the same thing.

 

[Mondio]

But you trusted the defense to actually get a stop? cmon Mondio....

yes, outside of a couple passes and a brainfart, they played pretty well. That Godwin pass where he just bumps Savage out of the way was a duck the whole way. They couldn't run the ball well at all. They had 1 run worth a crap the entire game.

I'd rather Rodgers have 4 plays for the win from anywhere around the 20 on in vs 1 from the 8 for a chance to do it again to tie and have all that time for TB to try to get into FG range anyway.

 

[Pugger]

I think many are missing the boat on this one.

You could obviously point to the last holding call committed by King (which even if it wasn't called wouldn't have guaranteed a victory for the Packers). Yet I agree it shouldn't have been called based on how the game was called previously.

But the single biggest turn in this game was the play at the end of the half.

Mike Pettine should be fired TOMORROW. And I'm not sure why there isn't more attention being placed on him in this thread. And I've read every post.

The TWO THINGS you cannot afford to do is 1. let a guy get outside on you (Bucs had no timeouts, don't let them get to the boundary). and 2. Don't let a guy get behind you. But SOMEHOW, Mike Pettine allows Kevin King to be lined up on the fastest skill guy that the Bucs have. And King gets absolutely burned by not only playing inside when he should have been guarding against the outside move, but lets Scotty Miller get over the top on him.

I don't care how anyone decides to slice this baby. THAT is the fault of the defensive coordinator. The difference in 14-10 and 21-10 is enormous.

And then at the end......

Matt LaFleur made an awful decision. Instead of trusting your hall of fame....MVP QUARTERBACK....to get 8 yards, you put the game in the hands of the DEFENSE that absolutely, under no circumstance whatsoever under the direction of Mike ******* Pettine, should be trusted. Against TOM ******* Brady. I don't give a **** how old he is.

That was 100% a gutless call by Matt LaFleur, and I've been one of his biggest supporters. Horrendous decision making.

At worst, the offense doesn't convert and you have TB backed up on their own 8 and STILL need a touchdown to have a shot to win.

This will be an unpopular opinion with some, but Rodgers got failed again. I'll have to rewatch the film before I can provide my final assessment, but for the most part, he did exceptional with the hand he was dealt. I didn't even get into the fumble by Jones or the drops by Adams and others.

Bottom Line: Pettine has to GO.

TOMORROW.

And LaFleur better learn something from this experience.

I gave you a winner for this post but I had to respond too. That was the difference in the game. The other big factor was we couldn't run the ball so we couldn't use play-action. When we abandoned the run they could hound Rodgers and disrupt our offense. Game over.

 

[PackAttack12]

I really don't get the uproar with the kick.

The defense had to stop them no matter what

Difference is two things:

1. You at least had the opportunity to get a TD and then tie the game with the 2 pt converstion, as opposed to the other strategy.

2. Even if you don't get the TD, you're backed into your own territory with almost no choice but to to play conservative and run every time.

idk why everyone is pacifying LaFleur. It was a gag moment on his part.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Gute for trading a Super Bowl berth this year for the potential of Love in 3 years is the biggest dud. Would have been REALLY nice to have an interior pass rusher or competition for King at corner. But all the Gutians out there are going to talk about the guaranteed HoF career we'll be able to see in only 2 or 3 more years!!!

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Difference is two things:

1. You at least had the opportunity to get a TD and then tie the game with the 2 pt converstion, as opposed to the other strategy.

2. Even if you don't get the TD, you're backed into your own territory with almost no choice but to to play conservative and run every time.

idk why everyone is pacifying LaFleur. It was a gag moment on his part.

Because for some stupid reason fans like to blame players more than coaches or front office.

 

[PackinMSP]

Difference is two things:

1. You at least had the opportunity to get a TD and then tie the game with the 2 pt converstion, as opposed to the other strategy.

2. Even if you don't get the TD, you're backed into your own territory with almost no choice but to to play conservative and run every time.

idk why everyone is pacifying LaFleur. It was a gag moment on his part.

I think the thought process for MLF was..

If we get the Touchdown and MISS THE 2 POINT CONVERSION... then we are in the same situation anyways?

 

[Mondio]

Difference is two things:

1. You at least had the opportunity to get a TD and then tie the game with the 2 pt converstion, as opposed to the other strategy.

2. Even if you don't get the TD, you're backed into your own territory with almost no choice but to to play conservative and run every time.

idk why everyone is pacifying LaFleur. It was a gag moment on his part.

or they don't get it in on 4th down and there is no chance to tie.

I don't think it was a bad call. I wouldn't have cared if he went for it either.

 

[TexasCheesehead]

my bet is Aaron is looking at AFC teams right now like the Steelers or something...


I mean for the record I 100% feel you on that last holding call on King. NOt just that it was going back and forth all game but if it isn't called AR isn't "handed" a "gimme scoring drive"

We probably get the ball back with 1:30 with 80+ yards to go...

****, if i'm the refs i'm thinking "let's see this happen"

But I feel like blaming ONE call is like putting the "scapegoat" on ONE play like the Bostick play from 2014. Obviously it was a bonehead play by him and cost him his job, but we had 5 interceptions in that game too and had 6 points off of those interceptions

Our team as a whole had numerous opportunities to make things happen and they didn't... plain and simple

Tom made "just enough" plays to win the game, like enough for them to get that last FG as an example.

In football, sports, life, etc you can't just point your finger and blame at ONE play/thing and just if it doesn't go your way start making excuses and making it a "scapegoat"

That's not how I roll at least

I agree brother, that 1 play didnt change the Jones fumble in the beginning of the 3rd, couple bad passes, oline collapsing time and time again or the secondary (king) being burnt for huge 3rd down conversions. That 14 point swing from end of the 2nd to fumble at the start of the 3rd put us in a TERRIBLE comeback scenario....its just that out of no where call sealed the deal.

 

[adambr2]

I still cannot believe we aren't talking more about how OUT OF A TIMEOUT Mike Pettine thought that a single high safety defense was a great idea when literally the only parts of the field that needed to be covered were the sidelines and the goalline.

 

[Pugger]

Hopefully he tells them like it is..GET ME A DAMN DEFENSE, and a defensive coordinator that knows what he is doing!! It sucked that they couldn't stop anything in the first half. It also sucks that that ******* pettine thought they would be fired up by having to rewatch the championship game from last year. If anything it probably made them feel like they were incompetent!

This defense hasn't been wonderful all year. We got lucky against TN because their D is worse than ours so we got a big lead and they couldn't come back. The Rams' O isn't great either. When our OL plays lousy like they do against Tampa we get beat.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think many are missing the boat on this one.

You could obviously point to the last holding call committed by King (which even if it wasn't called wouldn't have guaranteed a victory for the Packers). Yet I agree it shouldn't have been called based on how the game was called previously.

But the single biggest turn in this game was the play at the end of the half.

Mike Pettine should be fired TOMORROW. And I'm not sure why there isn't more attention being placed on him in this thread. And I've read every post.

The TWO THINGS you cannot afford to do is 1. let a guy get outside on you (Bucs had no timeouts, don't let them get to the boundary). and 2. Don't let a guy get behind you. But SOMEHOW, Mike Pettine allows Kevin King to be lined up on the fastest skill guy that the Bucs have. And King gets absolutely burned by not only playing inside when he should have been guarding against the outside move, but lets Scotty Miller get over the top on him.

I don't care how anyone decides to slice this baby. THAT is the fault of the defensive coordinator. The difference in 14-10 and 21-10 is enormous.

And then at the end......

Matt LaFleur made an awful decision. Instead of trusting your hall of fame....MVP QUARTERBACK....to get 8 yards, you put the game in the hands of the DEFENSE that absolutely, under no circumstance whatsoever under the direction of Mike ******* Pettine, should be trusted. Against TOM ******* Brady. I don't give a **** how old he is.

That was 100% a gutless call by Matt LaFleur, and I've been one of his biggest supporters. Horrendous decision making.

At worst, the offense doesn't convert and you have TB backed up on their own 8 and STILL need a touchdown to have a shot to win.

This will be an unpopular opinion with some, but Rodgers got failed again. I'll have to rewatch the film before I can provide my final assessment, but for the most part, he did exceptional with the hand he was dealt. I didn't even get into the fumble by Jones or the drops by Adams and others.

Bottom Line: Pettine has to GO.

TOMORROW.

And LaFleur better learn something from this experience.

You just advocated for firing the DC because the CB forgot how to play corner. In that situation the corner should know not to get beat deep; instead, King watched Brady and stopped backpedaling for a second for reasons that confound all logic. Pettine has issues but don't blame the guy for Gute not getting him a decent 2nd corner.

 

[PackAttack12]

yes, outside of a couple passes and a brainfart, they played pretty well. That Godwin pass where he just bumps Savage out of the way was a duck the whole way. They couldn't run the ball well at all. They had 1 run worth a crap the entire game.

I'd rather Rodgers have 4 plays for the win from anywhere around the 20 on in vs 1 from the 8 for a chance to do it again to tie and have all that time for TB to try to get into FG range anyway.

There was no guarantee GB would get the ball back though! None at all.

Nothing about this game suggested that the Packers would be able to stop TB to even have the opportunity to give Aaron the ball back. Nothing.

 

[Pugger]

my bet is Aaron is looking at AFC teams right now like the Steelers or something...


I mean for the record I 100% feel you on that last holding call on King. NOt just that it was going back and forth all game but if it isn't called AR isn't "handed" a "gimme scoring drive"

We probably get the ball back with 1:30 with 80+ yards to go...

****, if i'm the refs i'm thinking "let's see this happen"

But I feel like blaming ONE call is like putting the "scapegoat" on ONE play like the Bostick play from 2014. Obviously it was a bonehead play by him and cost him his job, but we had 5 interceptions in that game too and had 6 points off of those interceptions

Our team as a whole had numerous opportunities to make things happen and they didn't... plain and simple

Tom made "just enough" plays to win the game, like enough for them to get that last FG as an example.

In football, sports, life, etc you can't just point your finger and blame at ONE play/thing and just if it doesn't go your way start making excuses and making it a "scapegoat"

That's not how I roll at least

The only way he is going anywhere is if we trade him and I don't see that happening unless AR has a no trade clause in his contract.

 

[TexasCheesehead]

I really don't get the uproar with the kick.

The defense had to stop them no matter what

The upside is a chance to tie or the d takes over at Tampas own 8 vs Crosby not reaching the end zone for a touchback (into the wind) and a special teams whose been suspect all year and a defense who had trouble all game. It was 4 down territory but who am I? Everyone has a opinion and we'll never know the outcome either way.

 

[pacmaniac]

Yeah, you should know the GB defense would revert to form at some point after getting 3 straight picks. Asking way too much out of the defense.

 

[PackAttack12]

You just advocated for firing the DC because the CB forgot how to play corner. In that situation the corner should know not to get beat deep; instead, King watched Brady and stopped backpedaling for a second for reasons that confound all logic. Pettine has issues but don't blame the guy for Gute not getting him a decent 2nd corner.

You'd blow Pettine off if you got the chance.

That comes down to coaching. Plain and simple. GTFOH with the excuses. And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't that out of a timeout? There's ZERO excuses. COACH your players up for the MOMENT. Be an actual coach. Don't assume what your players will do in the moment because if you do, it might result in them doing something you didn't overwise teach them not to do.

 

[PackinMSP]

Yeah, you should know the GB defense would revert to form at some point after getting 3 straight picks. Asking way too much out of the defense.

I think Brady just remembered to AVOID 23/J'aire this time and that's all he had to do really lol

 

[Pugger]

I really don't get the uproar with the kick.

The defense had to stop them no matter what

We should have kicked the extra point on our second TD instead of going for 2. We haven't been successful with that all season. Then we would only be down by 7 instead of 8.

 

[tynimiller]

I was with you until here. Lazard was getting held on that INT.

All I ask is watch that play over and over. IF Lazard isn't held that ball is even thrown worst than when he was. It was behind him with the hold, without lazard is easily step farther inside and that ball is still behind.

 

[PackAttack12]

or they don't get it in on 4th down and there is no chance to tie.

I don't think it was a bad call. I wouldn't have cared if he went for it either.

How would the scenario of the Packers getting the ball back be any different?