Lions studs lol and duds

[Pugger]

All of this back and forth about whether the offense or defense deserves the most blame is silly. Two things can be true: the defense was abysmal and the offense was abysmal. We can argue all day long about why, but that’s the end result.

What shouldn’t be excused though is the performance of the defense. Many on this forum were waving Pom Poms in the off-season about how good the defense would be. There’s too much talent for it not to be. Joe Barry is a knock knock joke. Always has been.

In the Packers first 3 games, it played teams all ranked in the bottom 3rd of the NFL in points per game. Granted, it’s early in the season.

When it played a top 10 offense in Detroit, the results were putrid.

There’s at least an excuse for why the offense is falling flat. Like or dislike Jordan Love, he’s started 5 games in the NFL. Anyone expecting the offense to be even close to what it has been the majority of the MLF/Rodgers tenure was fooling themselves.

The defense has to be better. Unfortunately, I don’t see how that’s possible with Joe Barry running the show. And there’s just not enough hours in the day for MLF to babysit Barry while also developing a young quarterback and trying to field a legitimate offense off of that.

We should lay the blame for our D underperforming at the feet of MLF. How come fans like us can see clearly how Barry isn't up for job but not our HC?

 

[Arod2gjdd]

So in the context of your big, emotion-filled rant you have no problem with him cutting off his route early and causing an interception at the worst possible time?

When considering his (albeit small) body of work this season, Romeo is the least of our concerns, so far down the list when it comes to issues.

 

[melvin dangerr]

You need a coach who is going to put them in a position to succeed though, and they don't have that. And I just don't see that lack of talent you're talking about. Who are you referring to specifically?

I’m not referring to any individual(s) my point would be shoring up weaknesses the Lions took advantage of, like the D’line which was pushed around most of the night, look at some linebackers, and the safety position,

 

[tynimiller]

Sometimes. Almost got Jones killed in the first half. Definitely not a stud imo.

You’re going to blame Doubs for that? Besides one play doesn’t remove the fact he essentially was the Davante out there - the only one consistently getting open and putting up progress.

 

[tynimiller]

So in the context of your big, emotion-filled rant you have no problem with him cutting off his route early and causing an interception at the worst possible time?

Love and MLF knew exactly why Romeo did what he did, the moment Love flushed Romeo broke to create space - it happens probably once or twice a weekend across the league, he waits half a second longer with route he is maybe making a catch in coverage…Love comes back to him half second earlier the same thing…they both did what they did sadly at the same moment.

 

[BrokenArrow]

When considering his (albeit small) body of work this season, Romeo is the least of our concerns, so far down the list when it comes to issues.

I thought you were talking about the game last night. That's how it looks, especially being in this thread. You totally trash Nixon but completely ignored Doubs major f/up. Seems inconsistent. Carry on, though.

 

[tynimiller]

I don't think we can really say we are down our two top O line. Bak has never come back from that injury and the coaches/doctors should have pretty much known that or at least suspected the possibility. So they should have been more prepared. But looking at the O line; I think they just thought we were OK there. Until Bak shows he can play; he is not a part of the O line imho. And does anyone take time to show these guys how to run block? They look lost looking for the right guy to block.

Bakh and Jenkins are absolutely our best to lineman with a contract in Green Bay right now.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

I thought you were talking about the game last night. That's how it looks, especially being in this thread. You totally trash Nixon but completely ignored Doubs major f/up. Seems inconsistent. Carry on, though.

I guess you're just looking for something to nitpick or start an argument? I don't get it.

Nixon is a marginal player, who is getting way too full of himself and returning kicks he has zero business whatsoever returning. The kicking game is being phased out of the game. You can start at the 25 for free by simply fair catching the ball ANYWHERE within the 25. Nothing positive (only negative) is coming from him returning the ball from 5+ yards deep. He has yet to make the 25, yet celebrates like he did something. People got way too hyped about Nixon and now he's become arrogant. It's a selfish play and it WILL cost us. It isn't winning NFL football in 2023. It's just not.

Doubs, meanwhile, has arguably been our best offensive player who made one mistake. Never said he was a stud, just one tiny positive.

 

[mradtke66]

So in the context of your big, emotion-filled rant you have no problem with him cutting off his route early and causing an interception at the worst possible time?

I don't put that one on Doubs. I think he saw Love engage scramble drill and he followed his rules. I put more of the blame on Love for that one.

 

[mradtke66]

Bak has never come back from that injury and the coaches/doctors should have pretty much known that or at least suspected the possibility. So they should have been more prepared.

I'm not really sure what more they could have done. They drafted linemen, they tried out several players in the spot. They now must pick which of our backups are the best option.

 

[milani]

We should lay the blame for our D underperforming at the feet of MLF. How come fans like us can see clearly how Barry isn't up for job but not our HC?

If you are an upcoming opponent how would you attack the Packer D? Matriculate down the field by moving the chains. Then a heavy dose of the run game to wear them out by Quarter 3.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Nixon is a marginal player, who is getting way too full of himself and returning kicks he has zero business whatsoever returning. The kicking game is being phased out of the game. You can start at the 25 for free by simply fair catching the ball ANYWHERE within the 25. Nothing positive (only negative) is coming from him returning the ball from 5+ yards deep. He has yet to make the 25, yet celebrates like he did something. People got way too hyped about Nixon and now he's become arrogant. It's a selfish play and it WILL cost us. It isn't winning NFL football in 2023. It's just not.

Okay, first, you don't know if he has any business returning them or not. You don't know what he was instructed to do. Second, as long as he gets back to the 20 consistently (and he did) I have no problem with it, especially when you're trailing by double digits and trying to make something happen to boost the team, which he did, BTW, with a return out past the 40. Not his fault there was an unnecessary hold called. Third, I went back and watched every one of his returns. Only one of them was from 5 yards deep. All of the others were from 1-4 yards deep. And he didn't celebrate any of them. So not really sure why you're dumping on him so much.

 

[milani]

Okay, first, you don't know if he has any business returning them or not. You don't know what he was instructed to do. Second, as long as he gets back to the 20 consistently (and he did) I have no problem with it, especially when you're trailing by double digits and trying to make something happen to boost the team, and he did, BTW, with a return out past the 40. Not his fault there was an unnecessary hold called. Third, I went back and watched every one of his returns. Only one of them was from 5 yards deep. All of the others were from 1-4 yards deep. And he didn't celebrate any of them. So not really sure why you're dumping on him so much.

Good points. And when you have an offense that cannot run the football and is producing a lot of 3 and outs why not run it out? What have you to lose? 5 yards? He just might break one like he did against Minnesota last year. Many a time the Bears offense was flat on its heels and some dude named Devon Hester kept them in the game.

 

[Team Ronny]

Nixon is the least of their worries! They had penalties on kr's..and muffed a punt that was luckily recovered by our guys. Our punter was good..Carlson is outstanding.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Nixon is the least of their worries! They had penalties on kr's..and muffed a punt that was luckily recovered by our guys. Our punter was good..Carlson is outstanding.

I had my reservations about Anders but... damn he's got a leg! Let the kid try a 60-yarder when the chance comes up. He's got the distance.

 

[milani]

I had my reservations about Anders but... damn he's got a leg! Let the kid try a 60-yarder when the chance comes up. He's got the distance.

Rookie punter and rookie kicker. Why not? Grow old together.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I never saw the 78 sooners throw the ball 6 straight times to open a game, which was borderline criminal. At the very least criminally stupid. LaFleur needed a cranial-****** inversion procedure.

Those two opening series were a shock. I kept looking for Jones and all I saw was Love dropping and with less than 3, more likely 2, seconds to get rid of the ball.

The only thing I can think of is that MLF was anticipating the Lions would play the run with Jones back. And maybe Jones hasn't fully recovered and MLF was managing his snaps. But those are lousy excuses for a lousy start.

The Packers were simply outplayed, out hustled and out coached.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Okay, first, you don't know if he has any business returning them or not. You don't know what he was instructed to do. Second, as long as he gets back to the 20 consistently (and he did) I have no problem with it, especially when you're trailing by double digits and trying to make something happen to boost the team, which he did, BTW, with a return out past the 40. Not his fault there was an unnecessary hold called. Third, I went back and watched every one of his returns. Only one of them was from 5 yards deep. All of the others were from 1-4 yards deep. And he didn't celebrate any of them. So not really sure why you're dumping on him so much.

We're watching different games...If they are telling him to take those out, they are morons. It's 2023. Take the ball at the 25 and move on.

 

[David Ciembronowicz]

First, get a GM and staff that can actually determine who to draft and who to get in FA that can play 1st string and BE counted and be accountable. Second, find someone who can play OL that is not injured and at minimum can play a whole game without coming out; third get some of that $44/$48M they gave to Bakhtiari back so they can use it elsewhere; fourth, find a vet. QB that can come in to replace JL because frankly his play is average at best and he is still a work in progress; fifth, start questioning the play calling on both sides of the ball; sixth, figure out if your strength and conditioning coaches are actually doing their jobs with all the injuries this team has. Bottom line, this is not a very good football team right now; don't know if it will get there but this team is in rebuild mode. Yes, youngest in NFL (I have heard) that would be great if you really believe those young players will actually prove to be stars and/or top of the line starters- probably on Def, questionable on Off.

 

[gopkrs]

It wasn't the play clock. The 3rd quarter expired.

Yeah, the announcers and TV ref wanted to say it was so much different than the play clock. I think it's just the same thing as far as when you call the play dead.

 

[gopkrs]

We're watching different games...If they are telling him to take those out, they are morons. It's 2023. Take the ball at the 25 and move on.

I don't mind him running it out. Didn't work last night but that sure was not the reason we lost. He did get one decent punt return and I don't think he will call many fair catches.

 

[gopkrs]

Bakh and Jenkins are absolutely our best to lineman with a contract in Green Bay right now.

Yeah, but my point is that they should have planned for him not being able to play. And that they did not do. And for me, anybody that says for each game going forward that we are w/o our best tackle is not really reality based. Cause, well just cause.

 

[Magooch]

I don't mind him running it out. Didn't work last night but that sure was not the reason we lost. He did get one decent punt return and I don't think he will call many fair catches.

And I mean let’s be real. The offense was doing f*ck-all for most the night. What difference does it make if the drive is starting on the 25 with a touchback or the 15 with an attempted return? When we’re consistently going nowhere on offense I’d rather our ST try and make something at all happen.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

I don't mind him running it out. Didn't work last night but that sure was not the reason we lost. He did get one decent punt return and I don't think he will call many fair catches.

It obviously did not cost us the game. That is not the point. In 2023, special teams is there to not F up. We are asking for trouble thinking our special teams needed to go from horrendous to impactful. They don't need to be impactful; they need to be competent.

 

[gopkrs]

It obviously did not cost us the game. That is not the point. In 2023, special teams is there to not F up. We are asking for trouble thinking our special teams needed to go from horrendous to impactful. They don't need to be impactful; they need to be competent.

And I think they should be coached well enough to block (instead of watching him to see if he is going to run it out or not) for him and not make stupid clips and holds.