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It's hard to run an offensive game plan or be an effective QB when you have 2-3 seconds MAX to before 2-3 D-lineman are barreling down on you. O-line needs revamping. Love seemed to be trying to force Watson the ball in the first half. Wasn't seeing the field but again, didn't have a lot of time. Inexcusable that Jones only got a handful of touches. Rasul Douglas seems like a liability in the secondary. It's hard to say whether the defensive looked bad or not because they were on the field the entire first half and seemed gassed. Run defense started out well and then broke down.

Detroit is a good team. O-line is the biggest issue right now. Packers are 2-2, it could be worse.
 

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Studs: I thought Gary and Quay both had really good games. Honestly to my eye Quay did just about everything right for 99% of the game so I’m not going to be too ******* him for getting penalized for trying to make a play in crunch time. (10 solo tackles!) At bare minimum I wouldn’t consider that to be remotely close to the same “attitude” or “discipline” issues he had last year. It’s not like he just got emotional and lost his head. (And I don’t really understand why that’s a rule in the first place but it is what it is). Gary continues to look like one of the premier edge rushers in the league and we should be preparing ourselves to give him a very, very, very handsome payday.

Doubs continues to impress me and is pretty clearly a legit starting quality player. I think I said it before but he looks to be more and more of a “security blanket” option for Love. I’ve been really happy with Reed too. Yes he had a big error (though to be fair avoided disaster) but I chalk that up to also being young/inexperienced and getting too aggressive in trying to make a play. Overall I think he’s progressing very well.

On the whole I would say special teams have been just fine. Whelan had a good showing and Carlsen so far seems to have silenced a lot of the worries/complaints from preseason.

Our first three-play series on defense was about as good as I’ve seen from us in recent memory. Unfortunately that was about as long as the good performance lasted.

I wouldn’t really call Love a “stud” tonight but I was again impressed with how he continues to look totally unshaken and like the moment is never too big for him. He was running for his life out there, down huge, and still believed (or at least acted like/made others believe) that we still were in it and could come back. I know he got sacked 5x and Detroit was credited with 11 QB hits; I’d be curious to see how many pressures they were credited with and Love’s average time to throw. And while he had two picks I didn’t really think either were particularly “bad” ones with the second being Doubs fault IMO. Pretty sure that throw was right on the money if Doubs continues running that in-cutting route.

Duds:

Our OL had about as bad of a showing as I can remember. Yes they were out arguably their two best players (at least on the left) but many of us seemed to think OL /OL depth could be a strength for us. Walker had a very decent showing last week but this week he didn’t even look like a practice-squad level player. Similarly Newman is another guy who didn’t look like he belonged amongst professionals at all.

Joe Barry’s defense… i think it was Maya Angelou who said something to the effect of “When someone shows you who they are… believe them the first time”. Barry has shown us over and over and over again “who he is”. We know exactly what we’re going to get out of him yet keep expecting something to be different. He has no business coaching another single down for this team. I’m pretty sure at one point I saw Van Ness in coverage on 4th and 3. Enough said.

Dillon continues to look poor. Yes, his OL wasn’t exactly paving the way for him, but at the same time it looked like often times he was running AWAY from what little openings there were and TOWARDS contact. He runs much, much smaller than he is. I try not to be too harsh on the guy because I really like him and do feel in some ways has been a bit mis-utilized but for the season thus far he looks like he could be easily replaced with just about any average FA RB.

And finally I think I have to call LaFleur a dud for this one. I like the guy too, and I think he’s a good coach, but man he just can NOT prepare on a short week, apparently. It feels like he is pretty regularly getting out-coached in big matchups and his clock (mis)management continues to baffle me. I simply don’t understand why time after time after time we’re going into halftime with timeouts in our pocket. I feel like at this point Love is a big “rhythm” player but it doesn’t feel like he’s being called early plays designed to get him into rhythm. And i cringe every time I see us pull out the read option, which looks like a disaster waiting to happen at every turn. And much like how LaFleur stuck with Drayton until he was quite literally responsible for playoff elimination, he seems to be okay with letting Barry do God-only-knows how much damage before working up the courage to send him packing. I’ve lost count at this point how many times he’s said something to the effect of “we’ve got to change things” or “we’ve got to do something different” and then we change nothing and do everything the same.

I really do like LaFleur and think he’s a good coach overall, but at this point I’m pretty sure I’d swap him with the guy on the opposite sideline last night in a heartbeat
 

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Detroits a young team 2.

Detroit is the 11th youngest team. Our starting defense averages 1.63 years more experience than theirs. Their starting offense averages 2.9 more years of experience than ours (and that's counting Love as being in his 4th season). Overall their starters averages 0.83 more years of experience than ours (and we all know the difference a year of experience can make.) We start 7 first or second year players while they start 4. We're basically where they were in terms of youth a year ago.
 

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Duds

That OL was offensive. Love was running for his life the whole game. They had no rhythm.

And once again they had a hard time stopping the run. They seem to do well initially but lose their steam or miss a ton of tackles.

Studs

Jayden Reed. He made some amazing catches.

Thankfully we weren't penalized for delay of game on Love's pass to Reed.
 

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That OL was offensive. Love was running for his life the whole game. They had no rhythm.

And once again they had a hard time stopping the run. They seem to do well initially but lose their steam or miss a ton of tackles.

Studs

Jayden Reed. He made some amazing catches.

Thankfully we weren't penalized for delay of game on Love's pass to Reed.
Was no penalty. The 3rd quarter just expired so the play should have been blown dead.
 

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Two of our 4 opponents have topped 200 yards rushing against us. Good luck ever putting together a good defense when you're incapable of stopping the run. Different defensive coordinator, same ****. The team is simply too soft up front -- on both sides of the ball.
 

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No. That's just emotion towards the current game.

Baltimore/GB 2005 was an absolutely s$$t show. If I rattle my brain I'm sure I'd find others.

This seems like a silly debate. Might as well be arguing whether being run over by a bus, train, or semi would be the most painful. Is there really an objective answer? We had 20 yards in the first half and allowed 27 points. If someone wants to say that was the worst half of Packer football that they've ever seen, is that half really a hill to die on to say that it's not?
 

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Disgusted.

MLF is a soft, fraudulent, stupid, loser, that focuses on the wrong aspects of the game. We will NEVER win a Super Bowl with him in charge.

GET DILLON OFF THE FIELD!!! Why is Aaron Jones even active? It almost feels like how the Jets are inexplicably showing blind loyalty to Wilson, MLF is doing the same with Dillon. Is he trying to prove a point? Is he trying to show how smart he is? Is he just spiting us?

Nixon is a clueless, selfish, moron. Stop taking the ball out 5 yards deep (or even at the goal line) and celebrating like you won the lottery when you barely make the 20. Complete loser. You don't matter, get over yourself. This tool is going to cost us a game.

We don't do what winning teams do; we've been soft on both sides of the ball for far too long. Utterly pathetic.

I could write so much more but I'm just utterly disgusted. If I see Dillon on the field one more time I'm going to throw my television. Again, why is Jones even active?????

MLF doesn't have what it takes. Never did, never will.


Doubs continues to impress, great hands.
 

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Duds: LaFleur thinking he was coaching the 1978 Oklahoma Sooners and running the option. Love's decision making was less than competent through 3/4 of this game. Quay Walker icing the game with another stupid penalty. Safety play. Dee Ford's INT was the only positive I saw.

Stud: Rashan Gary. D-Line in the 2nd half really seemed to get it's **** together and play. Packers fans for stomaching this debachle.
I never saw the 78 sooners throw the ball 6 straight times to open a game, which was borderline criminal. At the very least criminally stupid. LaFleur needed a cranial-****** inversion procedure.
 

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I don't think we can really say we are down our two top O line. Bak has never come back from that injury and the coaches/doctors should have pretty much known that or at least suspected the possibility. So they should have been more prepared. But looking at the O line; I think they just thought we were OK there. Until Bak shows he can play; he is not a part of the O line imho. And does anyone take time to show these guys how to run block? They look lost looking for the right guy to block.
 

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All of this back and forth about whether the offense or defense deserves the most blame is silly. Two things can be true: the defense was abysmal and the offense was abysmal. We can argue all day long about why, but that’s the end result.

What shouldn’t be excused though is the performance of the defense. Many on this forum were waving Pom Poms in the off-season about how good the defense would be. There’s too much talent for it not to be. Joe Barry is a knock knock joke. Always has been.

In the Packers first 3 games, it played teams all ranked in the bottom 3rd of the NFL in points per game. Granted, it’s early in the season.

When it played a top 10 offense in Detroit, the results were putrid.

There’s at least an excuse for why the offense is falling flat. Like or dislike Jordan Love, he’s started 5 games in the NFL. Anyone expecting the offense to be even close to what it has been the majority of the MLF/Rodgers tenure was fooling themselves.

The defense has to be better. Unfortunately, I don’t see how that’s possible with Joe Barry running the show. And there’s just not enough hours in the day for MLF to babysit Barry while also developing a young quarterback and trying to field a legitimate offense off of that.
 

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I never saw the 78 sooners throw the ball 6 straight times to open a game, which was borderline criminal. At the very least criminally stupid. LaFleur needed a cranial-****** inversion procedure.
I saw Brady open a game once and threw about 15 passes in a row. Everybody thought a run was coming next. What I did not like is that nobody was open evidently. I mean, Love did have time enough to throw to someone quickly. I'm thinking the play calling is really bad (not the route running).
 

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Exactly. And he had a lot more veterans around him. He had Driver, Jennings, Grant, and a pretty darn good OL plus rookie Jordy and Jermichael. I expect we will win more this year than we did that year. I said 8 or 9 wins a month ago and I stand by it now.
I respect a man who sticks to his beliefs. I said 7 wins and I also stick to that.
 

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Now the old Captain claimed it was our defense that sputtered in 2008 rather than our offense. But it was both. That team lost to some not so good opponents. And they were terrible at crunch time. And recall that 2 of those wins came against an 0-16 Lions team.
Well of course they did. If GB did not win those 2 games IMO the Lions would not have been 0-16.
 

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Duds

That OL was offensive. Love was running for his life the whole game. They had no rhythm.

And once again they had a hard time stopping the run. They seem to do well initially but lose their steam or miss a ton of tackles.

Studs

Jayden Reed. He made some amazing catches.

Thankfully we weren't penalized for delay of game on Love's pass to Reed.
It wasn't the play clock. The 3rd quarter expired.
 

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Sometimes. Almost got Jones killed in the first half. Definitely not a stud imo.
I hope I am wrong here but on 2 consecutive plays Jones took hits to the head. The 2nd one was called the 1st was not. Add in the play you are bringing up and he took a bunch of hard hits. Maybe he wasn't quite 100% going in or as a result of those hits and MLF felt that throwing the ball was the best way to get back in the game and barely used AJ in the 2nd half as a result of those factors.
 

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I don't think we can really say we are down our two top O line. Bak has never come back from that injury and the coaches/doctors should have pretty much known that or at least suspected the possibility. So they should have been more prepared. But looking at the O line; I think they just thought we were OK there. Until Bak shows he can play; he is not a part of the O line imho. And does anyone take time to show these guys how to run block? They look lost looking for the right guy to block.
I agree for the most part. I think what gave me a little bit of hope was when they did not draft any offensive lineman. I also believe we shouldn't count Stokes as a missing starter until he actually starts another game. IMO.
 

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Doubs continues to impress, great hands.
So in the context of your big, emotion-filled rant you have no problem with him cutting off his route early and causing an interception at the worst possible time?
 
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I skipped the three pages of negativity. It's well-deserved, but what I saw last night was a young team that has the tools to be good in the future. This is what I expected to see this season. The first couple games didn't blind me to what we really are, so this loss doesn't hurt so bad.
G-dammit, EG! You know sensibility and measured responses have no place here!
 

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