EDIT!!!! FO WENT BOSS TODAY! $$$$$$$$$

[HardRightEdge]

Mathieu signed a 3 yr 42 mil with the chiefs i said that already

That's just stupid money for that player.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

My point was in regards to the Free agents we typically sign. If you're referring to FA's signed today then you'd have me, but overall AB is arguably the best WR in the league, but people here were worried about his "character" and whatnot in spite the fact that if we're as strong as an organization we should be able to handle it. Earl Thomas I'd say is one of the best Safeties at his position is another I can think of, but again even if we get him we'd be better, but we need to focus more on pass rushers. Which is why I was pissed we missed out on Mack. And I STILL suggest we trade for Miller.

The moment we heard Chicago was interested in him was the moment we should've done everything in our power to prevent them from getting him.

But going back to the original point, no one we've signed in the past few years has helped this team progress forward, the only two I'd make an exception for would be Peppers, and Cook, as while they were very good complimentary pieces, but they didn't get us over the hump. And then we decide to resign players in house, and let go of players that end up playing well elsewhere (Casey Hayward). It's a daunting cycle I'm used to seeing, and every time I get my hopes up I'm disappointed.

We've had a historic QB and we've only been to 1 SB with him because the FA was so reliant on him, that they were squandered most of his career, and we may face the possibility of him only going to 1 SB. This team has pretty much been nothing but Rodgers, and the funny part is now when Rodgers is getting paid for what he is worth, both to our team, and the market, some of us wants to ###### and complain about that.

As far as AB goes you could talk me into getting him or not getting him very easily. For what the Raiders gave up, I feel like we should have made the move. I can be very easily persuaded in this discussion. All time great talent. All time great pain in the ***.

At this point overpaying for Earl Thomas sounds much better than overpaying for Collins, Vacarro, or even Matthieu. But the fact he considered retiring a few years ago and hasn't been too healthy over the last 3 years is a giant red flag. AT MOST, 3 years for 45 million for him. The market for safeties is insane now, he'll get way more than that. I'd rather take away Amos from our rival and overpay for him.

Khalil Mack is a big what if for me too, more so because Rodgers got injured on the play he had pressure up the middle on. At first I was furious we didn't go after him just like you, but looking how bad the rest of our players were last year, MAYBE we win 9 games last year with him. Still wish we made the move.

I'd give up any part of the draft except for the #12 overall for Von. We may not be able to draft that high again for a long time especially if we are going all in on Rodgers final few years.

Ted couldn't have screwed up our corner situation any worse than he did the last 5 years. Like I said, if Ted had drafted better we'd be fine. Big money free agents fail more often than they succeed, but obviously we can pick out numerous of bad moves recently. Gute one year in already made a real bad move using Jordy's money for Graham and adding 2 more years from Jordy's expiring deal. Aggressive is nice, over aggressive only to get rid of the perception you are a cheap organization like last year can set a team back big time.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Kenny Vaccaro (very average player) resigned with Tennessee for 4 years 26 mil. This is not good for us. Thanks a lot Redskins

Just a hunch but it seems certain owners are concerned about the players getting a bigger piece of the revenue pie when the CBA is renegotiated after 2020, e.g., the 6 year Collins contract and 3 and 4 years for some of these other guys. This could get ugly fast. It might be a good idea to lock up Clark sooner rather than later. the way things are going he might already be pushing $15 mil / year.

 

[Mondio]

Another ****ing “OMFG” “We’re wasting Rodgers”. Blah, blah blah. Lol

 

[gbgary]

the Packers have to watch their dollars closely. an early signing would really surprise me. they're stuck between win-now mode and long-term rebuilding. that's nfl no-man's land.

 

[HardRightEdge]

This may be my favorite signing so far:

Former Tampa Bay Buccaneers linebacker Kwon Alexander plans to sign a four-year, $54 million deal that includes $27 million guaranteed with the San Francisco 49ers. That's for a guy coming off an ACL.

 

[gbgary]

This may be my favorite signing so far:

Former Tampa Bay Buccaneers linebacker Kwon Alexander plans to sign a four-year, $54 million deal that includes $27 million guaranteed with the San Francisco 49ers. That's for a guy coming off an ACL.

pff rating: average

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

There's only one way to answer all your concerns on adding great quality players in Green Bay:
Bug coach Bill Belichick's office...…….LOL

 

[Snoops]

This may be my favorite signing so far:

Former Tampa Bay Buccaneers linebacker Kwon Alexander plans to sign a four-year, $54 million deal that includes $27 million guaranteed with the San Francisco 49ers. That's for a guy coming off an ACL.

Biggest waste of money I have ever seen... that’s why Green Bay is probably gonna pay a 80 million contract to zadarious smith... lol

 

[Do7]

As far as AB goes you could talk me into getting him or not getting him very easily. For what the Raiders gave up, I feel like we should have made the move. I can be very easily persuaded in this discussion. All time great talent. All time great pain in the ***.

At this point overpaying for Earl Thomas sounds much better than overpaying for Collins, Vacarro, or even Matthieu. But the fact he considered retiring a few years ago and hasn't been too healthy over the last 3 years is a giant red flag. AT MOST, 3 years for 45 million for him. The market for safeties is insane now, he'll get way more than that. I'd rather take away Amos from our rival and overpay for him.

Khalil Mack is a big what if for me too, more so because Rodgers got injured on the play he had pressure up the middle on. At first I was furious we didn't go after him just like you, but looking how bad the rest of our players were last year, MAYBE we win 9 games last year with him. Still wish we made the move.

I'd give up any part of the draft except for the #12 overall for Von. We may not be able to draft that high again for a long time especially if we are going all in on Rodgers final few years.

Ted couldn't have screwed up our corner situation any worse than he did the last 5 years. Like I said, if Ted had drafted better we'd be fine. Big money free agents fail more often than they succeed, but obviously we can pick out numerous of bad moves recently. Gute one year in already made a real bad move using Jordy's money for Graham and adding 2 more years from Jordy's expiring deal. Aggressive is nice, over aggressive only to get rid of the perception you are a cheap organization like last year can set a team back big time.

I agree in your thoughts to Earl Thomas. Again he wouldn't be the top of my priority lists, but I'd sure as hell would be happy to have him.

As for Mack let me explain why I feel Mack could've been that missing piece. All of our losses this season with the exception of the Detroit game, was by two possession. I'd say all the games we've played we were well in, but with the combination of Rodgers and the offense not putting up points, and the injuries on the defensive side, something was gonna give. Most of these games we easily could've won. On the offensive side Rodgers is going to be our primary lead, while on the defensive side Mack could've been our driving force. Can you imagine how much he would've helped guys like Matthews, Daniels, Wilkerson, Martinez, Perry, etc in the pash rush? As a result this would've helped out the secondary with Alexander, and King (when he was healthy) as they easily would've gotten plenty ints due to the pressure the front was doing. The only thing we would've had to do was go cheap on safeties as we draft and develop one. And gradually plug in any other pieces for cheap in the meantime. I honestly believe if we had gotten Mack, we would've probably gone to the NFC championship if not the SB and dare I say beat Brady in both games.

And now it's like we're in a vicious cycle in which whoever we do pick up simply b/c they are good to very good, we should rejoice as if that's gonna get us over the hump. That's why I was willing to put up with AB, because his production of the field would've been worth the potential headaches. You gotta take the good with the bad. I'm not saying we go out and buy every FA out there, but freaking pick your spots, especially when it can strengthen you a great deal. AB would've buffered our WR corps, and we would've been arguably one of the best in the league. Now again if we trade of ODB then that will be fine as I prefer Odell over AB b/c he is younger and just as explosive, plus I'd think he'd get along better with the other receivers. Now that we saw what Oakland got for him we look like a pack of fools for not taking the opportunity.

Again I'd say we go after Miller.

 

[Dantés]

So predictable

Almost as predictable as Dan Snyder being really, really stupid.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

I agree in your thoughts to Earl Thomas. Again he wouldn't be the top of my priority lists, but I'd sure as hell would be happy to have him.

As for Mack let me explain why I feel Mack could've been that missing piece. All of our losses this season with the exception of the Detroit game, was by two possession. I'd say all the games we've played we were well in, but with the combination of Rodgers and the offense not putting up points, and the injuries on the defensive side, something was gonna give. Most of these games we easily could've won. On the offensive side Rodgers is going to be our primary lead, while on the defensive side Mack could've been our driving force. Can you imagine how much he would've helped guys like Matthews, Daniels, Wilkerson, Martinez, Perry, etc in the pash rush? As a result this would've helped out the secondary with Alexander, and King (when he was healthy) as they easily would've gotten plenty ints due to the pressure the front was doing. The only thing we would've had to do was go cheap on safeties as we draft and develop one. And gradually plug in any other pieces for cheap in the meantime. I honestly believe if we had gotten Mack, we would've probably gone to the NFC championship if not the SB and dare I say beat Brady in both games.

And now it's like we're in a vicious cycle in which whoever we do pick up simply b/c they are good to very good, we should rejoice as if that's gonna get us over the hump. That's why I was willing to put up with AB, because his production of the field would've been worth the potential headaches. You gotta take the good with the bad. I'm not saying we go out and buy every FA out there, but freaking pick your spots, especially when it can strengthen you a great deal. AB would've buffered our WR corps, and we would've been arguably one of the best in the league. Now again if we trade of ODB then that will be fine as I prefer Odell over AB b/c he is younger and just as explosive, plus I'd think he'd get along better with the other receivers. Now that we saw what Oakland got for him we look like a pack of fools for not taking the opportunity.

Again I'd say we go after Miller.

I'm definitely cool with your optimistic outlook if Mack had been around last year. The first half of the year I thought we would have been a great team with him, but when all the injuries added up, we probably would have been just like the Raiders defense his last few years with them. If Wilkerson, King, and the rest of the team had been healthy this could have been a great defense (I felt like the G-Mo injury was a killer too). The most likely scenario of us completing the Mack deal for cap room was a Cobb trade to New England.

I actually like a lot of our receivers. We obviously have seen Kumerow when healthy and I saw Allen Lazard a ton in college and think he can be a sneaky great pickup (shocked he wasn't drafted). AB or Beckham as the number 1 with this group of guys would quickly turn us into the best receiving group in football. Inexperienced receivers in this tough offense to learn was a killer, just like 2015. Adams was awful in 2015, then we saw what he turned into.

I get what you are saying, but I'm just saying I'm fine with being very selective/patient with free agents.

 

[Dantés]

So far, there has not been a single FA signing that I would have wanted for the Packers.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Almost as predictable as Dan Snyder being really, really stupid.

Yes, Snyder has a long track record of dropping a bundle on players only to take the dead cap hit a couple years down the line when the "value" evaporates.

 

[tynimiller]

This forum always makes me thankful some of us are no where even within sniffing distance of the decision makers at GB.....we'd be so far down bad contracts we'd make the 96' - 98' Browns organization look smart....

 

[tynimiller]

So far, there has not been a single FA signing that I would have wanted for the Packers.

I do wish we could have made the Zeitler trade but agreed...not a single FA signing has made me mad we weren't the team.

 

[Dantés]

Yes, Snyder has a long track record of dropping a bundle on players only to take the dead cap hit a couple years down the line when the "value" evaporates.

Collins' deal is comfortably #1 for safeties in terms of annual average and the guy is a glorified linebacker.

 

[Do7]

I'm definitely cool with your optimistic outlook if Mack had been around last year. The first half of the year I thought we would have been a great team with him, but when all the injuries added up, we probably would have been just like the Raiders defense his last few years with them. If Wilkerson, King, and the rest of the team had been healthy this could have been a great defense (I felt like the G-Mo injury was a killer too). The most likely scenario of us completing the Mack deal for cap room was a Cobb trade to New England.

I actually like a lot of our receivers. We obviously have seen Kumerow when healthy and I saw Allen Lazard a ton in college and think he can be a sneaky great pickup (shocked he wasn't drafted). AB or Beckham as the number 1 with this group of guys would quickly turn us into the best receiving group in football. Inexperienced receivers in this tough offense to learn was a killer, just like 2015. Adams was awful in 2015, then we saw what he turned into.

I get what you are saying, but I'm just saying I'm fine with being very selective/patient with free agents.

But again Adams could AFFORD to be awful as Jordy Nelson and Cobb were leagues better than Adams at the time in which he could grow into the position and thus overtaking the two as time progressed. We don't have that luxury anymore, because with the potential loss of Cobb, Devante is our only legit reciever. I believe in Kumerow, (I think he will be our next Jordy like receiver, if he stays healthy) and I believe in MVS, I think he can truly be something special, but they need time to develop, and by the time they do I fear we will have wasted just about all that remains of Rodgers. Now if they make a huge leap this year, that would be wonderful.

But honestly I think with Mack, some of those injuries wouldn't have happened, but who knows at this point. I just want a bonafide pass rusher at this point.

 

[Dantés]

Collins' deal is comfortably #1 for safeties in terms of annual average and the guy is a glorified linebacker.

Who would we have given them to match Vernon?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Collins' deal is comfortably #1 for safeties in terms of annual average and the guy is a glorified linebacker.

You know I've favored Amos in this horse race but I loathe to think what his numbers will look like now.

I could see the argument for Collins given his versatility in what was a dime heavy Pettine defense when he had all hands on deck early last season. But this contract is nuts.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Who would we have given them to match Vernon?

The closest comparable to Zeitler would be Linsley though I have no idea if NY needs a center. Regardless, I wouldn't do that. Alternatively, if trading a decent pick for an aging star was a bad idea before, it's getting a lot worse. I don't think the question is who could have been a match for Vernon. It's more like who can we trade for picks.

It's pretty staggering to think that the first year cap cost of the Packers entire draft class will be 40% less than Collins average pay, to take one example.

Oh, I see now the proposition was the other way around...what to give up for Zeitler. That would have had to be a pick. I would have been happy if it was Perry+Graham, but that dog wouldn't hunt in Cleveland...or anywhere.

 

[sjb12681]

Not concerned with missing out on anyone today. We aren't a player away, definitely not a $15m per year player away.

We are like 5-8 $6m/yr players away, with a hell of a draft thrown in.

Woooosaaaa folks. Very few day 1 moves put poor teams over the top the next year, and blowing our budget isn't a one year exercise... Signing players today better be a smash hit for the next 4 years or it's typically a bust to sign them, even short term.

 

[sjb12681]

I would love to see some of your personal finances.

As someone who works in the industry, I can see at least 3 ppl in this room (based on this thread) who have a leased 60k+ vehicle, a brand new house, a new iPhone (and iPhone watch... Also on payplan), a couple maxed out credit cards paying minimum each month, and take 1-2 trips a year. Also, probably have a video game budget at or near their electric bill each month.

Always ready to throw more money around, but has no savings, and no plan for the future, just assuming money will keep showing up in the bank each week.

Money runs out. If we had a GM who spent without regard to the future like this, we would be a whole lot worse off than we are right now.

 

[Croquet]

Landon Collins 6yr/84M ($14M/yr)... we weren't going to pay him that with Thomas, Honey Badger, and LaMarcus Joyner still out there with some other safeties as well.

My point was in regards to the Free agents we typically sign. If you're referring to FA's signed today then you'd have me, but overall AB is arguably the best WR in the league, but people here were worried about his "character" and whatnot in spite the fact that if we're as strong as an organization we should be able to handle it. Earl Thomas I'd say is one of the best Safeties at his position is another I can think of, but again even if we get him we'd be better, but we need to focus more on pass rushers. Which is why I was pissed we missed out on Mack. And I STILL suggest we trade for Miller.

The moment we heard Chicago was interested in him was the moment we should've done everything in our power to prevent them from getting him.

But going back to the original point, no one we've signed in the past few years has helped this team progress forward, the only two I'd make an exception for would be Peppers, and Cook, as while they were very good complimentary pieces, but they didn't get us over the hump. And then we decide to resign players in house, and let go of players that end up playing well elsewhere (Casey Hayward). It's a daunting cycle I'm used to seeing, and every time I get my hopes up I'm disappointed.

We've had a historic QB and we've only been to 1 SB with him because the FA was so reliant on him, that they were squandered most of his career, and we may face the possibility of him only going to 1 SB. This team has pretty much been nothing but Rodgers, and the funny part is now when Rodgers is getting paid for what he is worth, both to our team, and the market, some of us wants to ###### and complain about that.

The reality is that GB, as great as an organization it is, is NOT a key destination that attracts Free Agents.

In gute we trust. No fat lady singing yet.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I would love to see some of your personal finances.

As someone who works in the industry, I can see at least 3 ppl in this room (based on this thread) who have a leased 60k+ vehicle, a brand new house, a new iPhone (and iPhone watch... Also on payplan), a couple maxed out credit cards paying minimum each month, and take 1-2 trips a year. Also, probably have a video game budget at or near their electric bill each month.

Always ready to throw more money around, but has no savings, and no plan for the future, just assuming money will keep showing up in the bank each week.

Money runs out. If we had a GM who spent without regard to the future like this, we would be a whole lot worse off than we are right now.

My contention has been that unless you are Bill Belichick, whose methods nobody has come close to replicating, the path to winning is in acquiring a critical mass of impact players on cheap rookie deals accumulated in a 4 year window. And they can't all be "3rd. year jumps".

I was looking for a couple of 2nd. contact guys in this free agent derby to supplement what needs to be good upcoming drafts who will still be in prime years within that rookie contract window. The prospects for that are shrinking or, more precisely, their prices are going up well past cap inflation.