Do we have enough talent on this team this season?

[Deleted member 6794]

I really wish the team would have acquired Josh Gordon, especially considering the cheap compensation it took for New England to get the deal done.

While I agree Gordon has yet to make an impact with the Patriots.

 

[Snoops]

I think so just stuck with what we got cuz they ain’t signing dez although if they got him cheap I’m totally fine with that

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think so just stuck with what we got cuz they ain’t signing dez although if they got him cheap I’m totally fine with that

The Packers shouldn't be interested in signing Bryant as long as none of the top three receivers on the depth suffer an injury keeping them out for an extended period of time. Even then it might be a bad idea.

 

[PackAttack12]

Yeah I initially thought Dez might be something to look into early in the offseason, but there's a reason the man is still unemployed right now. The Packers would have to be very dez-perate to go after Bryant.

Wow that was lame.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Packers have two first round picks next year which they could either package to move up or double down on edge rusher as they did with cornerback this season. With Gutekunst not being reluctant to use free agency I'm optimistic the pass rush can be significantly improved in 2019.

I am super hopeful they can find someone, believe me, I REALLY hope the Packers can grab someone who can provide immediate help. Realistically speaking though it doesn't appear as the Packers are going to have the ammunition to move up in the draft to get an immediate impact guy (e.g., Nick Bosa) and many of the top dlinemen are interior guys, not really where the Packers are weak right now. Free agency pass rushers are EXPENSIVE. It's one of the reasons I was all for getting Mack; the problem is that guys of Mack's caliber rarely hit free agency and, when they, you are usually bidding against other teams and driving up the cost.

I'm not trying to imply the Packers are doomed next year, just pointing out that, in my opinion, the pass rush is going to take a couple seasons to improve and the packers are going to have to rely on the corners becoming REALLY good to compensate. Luckily, the offense SHOULD be able to overcome defensive issues because the personnel on this team is among the best in the league and there's no reason the Packers shouldn't be fielding a top-3 offense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I am super hopeful they can find someone, believe me, I REALLY hope the Packers can grab someone who can provide immediate help. Realistically speaking though it doesn't appear as the Packers are going to have the ammunition to move up in the draft to get an immediate impact guy (e.g., Nick Bosa) and many of the top dlinemen are interior guys, not really where the Packers are weak right now. Free agency pass rushers are EXPENSIVE. It's one of the reasons I was all for getting Mack; the problem is that guys of Mack's caliber rarely hit free agency and, when they, you are usually bidding against other teams and driving up the cost.

I'm not trying to imply the Packers are doomed next year, just pointing out that, in my opinion, the pass rush is going to take a couple seasons to improve and the packers are going to have to rely on the corners becoming REALLY good to compensate. Luckily, the offense SHOULD be able to overcome defensive issues because the personnel on this team is among the best in the league and there's no reason the Packers shouldn't be fielding a top-3 offense.

I agree that the Packers won't be able to move up far enough to draft Nick Bosa next year. Hopefully they will be able to select another edge rusher capable of having an immediate imapct or maybe Fackrell and Gilbert will be able to replicate yesterday's performance consistently.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I agree that the Packers won't be able to move up far enough to draft Nick Bosa next year. Hopefully they will be able to select another edge rusher capable of having an immediate imapct or maybe Fackrell and Gilbert will be able to replicate yesterday's performance consistently.

Yeah, it kind of stinks for the Packers. Next year's class is historically terrific with defensive interior talent; it just happens that that position is the strongest spot on the defense.

 

[rodell330]

No....but that hasn’t stopped teams from winning SBs with less talented rosters than their opponent. New England and Baltimore have shown that over the last couple of years. However the coaching staff here is probably in the lower half of the league as far as schemes, designs, and adjustments. That’s the real issue.

 

[HardRightEdge]

If all one knew about Fackrell's performance in the Bills game was 3 sacks in the box score, one might think he'd turned the corner after 2+ years of merely serviceable play. Let's break that Bills performance down a little bit:

On his first "sack", Fackrell was pancaked, laying on the ground, with his back to the QB. It looks like the refs blew that call with Allen tripping over the O-Lineman's foot wthout Fackrell touching him. If Fackrell had touched him, it would have been purely accidental. This sack is a garbage stat. Any credit for the Packer's good fortune on this play should go to Clark for beating his man and spinning Allen off his spot.

Then it was garbage time, under 2:00 minutes.

On Fackrell's second sack, he beat RT Jordon Mills off the edge. Mills went out with an injury on that play. While Facrell looked pretty good on the play, if we find out that Mills pulled a hammy on the play (I'm not finding a report on Mills at the moment) that might color the play a little differently. If it was the right ankle, then Fackrell did his damage before the injury.

The third sack was against the backup RT, Connor McDermott, a New England 6th. round pick in 2017 who was cut last year and then picked up by the Bills on waivers. Given the player and the garbage time situation, I'd call this a "preseason sack".

Fackrell had one other tackle, in the 3nd. quarter, stopping Allen for a 3 yard gain as he scrambled up the middle. That was a good looking adjustment to the play on second effort. But that second effort was only possible because Fackrell was pushed back two steps, disengaged into space by the LT on his pass rush.

This is not a 23 year old player reaching physical maturity. He'll be 27 in a couple of months.

We'll need to see more than this to begin thinking he might be more than a complementary player.

 

[Snoops]

If all one knew about Fackrell's performance in the Bills game was 3 sacks in the box score, one might think he'd turned the corner after 2+ years of merely serviceable play. Let's break that Bills performance down a little bit:

On his first "sack", Fackrell was pancaked, laying on the ground, with his back to the QB. It looks like the refs blew that call with Allen tripping over the O-Lineman's foot wthout Fackrell touching him. If Fackrell had touched him, it would have been purely accidental This sack is a garbage stat. Any credit for the Packer's good fortune on this play should go Clark for beating his man and spinning Allen off his spot.

Then it was garbage time, under 2:00 minutes.

On Fackrell's second sack, he beat RT Jordon Mills of the edge. Mills went out with an injury on that play. While Facrell looked pretty good on the play, if we find out that Mills pulled a hammy on the play (I'm not finding a report on Mills at the moment) that might color the play a little differently. If it was the right ankle, then Fackrell did his damage before the injury.

The third sack was against the backup RT, Connor McDermott, a New England 6th. round pick in 2017 who was cut last year and then picked up by the Bills on waivers. Given the player and the garbage time situation, I'd call this a "preseason sack".

Fackrell had one other tackle, in the 3nd. quarter, stopping Allen for a 3 yard gain as he scrambled up the middle. That was a good looking adjustment to the play on second effort. But that second effort was only possible because because Fackrell was pushed back two steps, disengaged into space by the LT on his pass rush.

This is not a 23 year old player reaching physical maturity. He'll be 27 in a couple of months.

We'll need to see more than this to begin thinking he might be more than a complementary player.

I don’t care what any stat sheet says fackrell sucks! So does Brice and Clinton dix ain’t far behind..
I know what we see is what we get for our team and gonna have to roll with who we got but I’m also a realist.

 

[Poppa San]

but I’m also a realist

When I see this in a post, my thoughts and views immediately shift to

I don't care if my expectations are realistic or reasonable at all. I'm just here to complain.

No "realist" ever seems to be an optimist.

 

[ExpatPacker]

I don't see the Packers as a SB contender. They need

a safety (why they didn't go after Reid is beyond me. Now Thomas is out, maybe career-ending)
an edge rusher (unless Reggie Gilbert blossoms)
LB (Martinez, Fackrell, Burks and Ryan? peh, come on)
OL help (somebody, anybody better than Spriggs, please!)

Also, I can't give solid reasons but it seems to me that MM continually holds this offense back. I haven't done any kind of game plan analysis or looked at in-game adjustments, but every game I watch half of the plays are so, so predictable and aren't all that effective. I might be shifting the blame onto him for lackluster performance, but hey...
It could be Rodgers wanting to go for the long pass too much, I dunno. When the Packers went to short passing it seemed so effective. Plus, how long are we going to wait for Aaron Jones to get "up to speed"? The guy can run FFS.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

I thought Fackrell played pretty well

 

[HardRightEdge]

When I see this in a post, my thoughts and views immediately shift to
No "realist" ever seems to be an optimist.

You mean like Rodgers press conference?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don’t care what any stat sheet says fackrell sucks! So does Brice and Clinton dix ain’t far behind..
I know what we see is what we get for our team and gonna have to roll with who we got but I’m also a realist.

Clinton-Dix performed at a high level vs. the Bills and Brice looked vastly improved over the previous two games. They have to be able to play like that vs. better competition though.

LB (Martinez, Fackrell, Burks and Ryan? peh, come on)

Also, I can't give solid reasons but it seems to me that MM continually holds this offense back. I haven't done any kind of game plan analysis or looked at in-game adjustments, but every game I watch half of the plays are so, so predictable and aren't all that effective.

The Packers losing Jake Ryan for the season was a major blow to the depth at inside linebacker but the defense should be just fine as long as Martinez, Morrison and Burks stay healthy. Fackrell is an edge rusher.

In my opinion fans complaining about the Packers offense being predictable is a load of crap as I'm absolutely convinced you wouldn't be a able to correctly predict most of the plays presnap.

 

[wist43]

Clinton-Dix performed at a high level vs. the Bills and Brice looked vastly improved over the previous two games. They have to be able to play like that vs. better competition though.



The Packers losing Jake Ryan for the season was a major blow to the depth at inside linebacker but the defense should be just fine as long as Martinez, Morrison and Burks stay healthy. Fackrell is an edge rusher.

In my opinion fans complaining about the Packers offense being predictable is a load of crap as I'm absolutely convinced you wouldn't be a able to correctly predict most of the plays presnap.

Every single one of those guys you named needs to be replaced.

A team can get by with one, two, or even a few of those JAG types; but, to have your entire unit bogged down with average to below average players like those you named... that's fatal.

Green Bay simply doesn't have the talent to compete with the big boys.

 

[PackerFanLV]

I honestly believe the talent is there. The offense of scheme/game plan each week is not elite. The offense is capable of scoring 30+ a game with all these new rules, but struggles to get in grooves.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Every single one of those guys you named needs to be replaced.

You want the Packers to get rid of Clinton-Dix, Brice, Martinez, Ryan, Morrison, Burks (who make up all of the team's inside linebackers) and Fackrell next offseason??? That's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[rodell330]

They need a clear cut starter at RB who can get 1,200 yds, no more of this sharing carries crap between 3 guys....hard to get into a groove! they need another dominant offensive linemen to emerge...from somewhere!!! They need a dominant pass rusher!!! They need a receiving threat who can take over a game... and at least draw extra coverage shifted his way or demand a double team...and before you guys say Adams?? No, Adams isn’t that guy I’m sorry. They’ve gotta use Jimmy Graham more because I think he can be just as valuable to Rodgers as Gronk to Brady...They also need a better play caller. Rodgers does so much pre snap stuff at the line they literally WASTE 2-3 timeouts a game trying to avoid delay of game penalties. It’s become very old and irritating.

 

[PikeBadger]

They need a clear cut starter at RB who can get 1,200 yds, no more of this sharing carries crap between 3 guys....hard to get into a groove!

Totally disagree with this part of your post. Imo, our running game is more effective and grooved than our passing game is right now. They’ve been able to move the chains by picking up the tough yards and broken off some nice 8-12 yard runs and Jones busting loose for a couple of longer ones. So far so good. No need to burn out any of these guys in the first half of the season.

 

[gopkrs]

Not before they changed the coin toss rules to allow a team to defer to the 2nd half a few years ago, that's for sure.

Don't think that is right. They have always (well maybe not in 1920) been able to defer.

 

[Poppa San]

Don't think that is right. They have always (well maybe not in 1920) been able to defer.

I'll defer to an expert

The number of teams that won the opening coin toss and chose to defer has dramatically increased since the rule was adopted for the 2008 season

 

[gopkrs]

I'll defer to an expert

Well, maybe your right. I tried to look it up but...I remember an AFL championship game a long time ago when the wind was very bad and in overtime a team elected to kick...and won in sudden death. But I guess that has nothing to do with the NFL. Still think a choice should be made based on the game to be played.

 

[wist43]

You want the Packers to get rid of Clinton-Dix, Brice, Martinez, Ryan, Morrison, Burks (who make up all of the team's inside linebackers) and Fackrell next offseason??? That's absolutely ridiculous.

They're all average to below average players - that's what you want our ceiling to be? average??

Martinez is the best of that bunch, and he's average at best. We have the worst set of ILB's in the league.

The jury is still out on Burks, but I'm not holding my breath - he was a terrible player in college.

I have hope that Brice can ascend to being a better than average player, but he's in no way better than average now.

Fackrell is simply not an NFL caliber player.

Yes, all those guys need to be working their way toward the exits.

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

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