Do we have enough talent on this team this season?

[Forget Favre]

We should be better and winners for the 100th year anniversary of the GB Packers.
Instead here we go again not showing us that they are good enough to be in contention for the SB by not beating contenders, teams with winning records and losing to teams worse than us.
I'm tired of this same old crap. I really am.
Yeah, I know it can be worse and I could be a Clowns fan or living in the armpit of the midstates of Detroit and cheering on the Lions.
But this is the football team I'm choosing to be a fan of and I want to see them getting back to winning ways.
Something needs to change. They have been trying. I dunno what it is but something needs to change to get these guys back to living up to the Packers history and legacy of being champs again.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So we now then have a losing record in our last 48 games? Holy cow that really puts our struggles into a much better perspective. MM may actually be in some trouble here

Actually the record gonzozab posted already included yesterday's loss vs. the Lions.

 

[Forget Favre]

The Packers are 23-23-1 in their last 47 games. Almost three full seasons. They're nowhere near the talent level needed to be a serious Super Bowl contender, and we all know who is responsible for that.

That is pathetic.

 

[Forget Favre]

Make the playoffs and get hot at the right time. We have Aaron Rodgers.

The team has looked disappointing so far (it's week 4, we looked trash at the start of 2014/2016) but there's a lotta ball game left.

Make the playoffs and then blow it yet again.

#sickofthiscrap

 

[Mike McCarthy]

23-23-1 is highly successful where I come from

 

[Sanguine camper]

The Packers are coming out flat and complacent in nearly every game. Attitude is a bigger issue than talent at this point. Face it, this team just doesn't come prepared to play 4 quarters. Penalties, blown assignments, dropped passes are rampant and they are losing the turnover battle as well. That all points to a team that could easily finish in last place with 6 or 7 wins. It looks like the rest of the league has passed MM by and the players know it and are not playing with much motivation.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

As I said, I have hope for Brice - not a lot of hope, but at least he's better than Burnett.

And Martinez is at least a serviceable LB... I'd be looking to replace him, but we can get by with him.

The rest of those guys you listed?? Yeah, they all need to be moved off the roster for better players.

At this point in his career Brice is definitely not a better player than Burnett was over his time in Green Bay. Martinez is one of the best inside linebackers in the league, it would be extremely tough to adequately replace him let alone find an upgrade.

Sign a fullback already, as M Lewis coming into the game is tipping the play calls.

If having Lewis on the field is tipping the play call why do you think a fullback would be of any help???

Frustrated fans for years on here kept on calling for personal changes with the DC and the GM and we got them and nothing much has changed except it looks worse than before.

It takes time for Gutekunst to build a competitve roster. It was unrealistic to expect him to be able to achieve that within a single offseason.

Fire MM. Mike Pettine and all the defensive coaches gone. Except for Whitt-he is kept on as DB coach. All the offensive coaches are gone except Philbin. He is kept on as QB coach and instructed to be the "dad figure" in the QB room/be willing to call out AR12's sometimes spotty play/unwillingness to take the short gainers that keep him upright and the offense on schedule/defense off the field.

Hire Raheem Morris as HC. Even though he's coaching WRs for ATL atm, he's a defensive guy and is exactly what GB needs from a head ball coach right now. The opposite of MM. A Mike Tomlin-esque guy that is a motivator. He's been a head coach in the NFL before so he'll be ready for the opportunity, plus he's still young enough to bring the energy we need.

Hire Brian Brohm to call plays as the OC. He is co-OC at Purdue and they just put up 42 vs Nebraska.

The Packers should definitely not hold on to Whitt and Philbin if they decide to move on from McCarthy.

Raheem Morris??? You gotta be kidding. I'm not impressed by him having a 17-31 record as a head coach in the league by any means.

Hiring Brian Brohm because of Purdue's performance against Nebraska, which is 0-5 this season and already lost to Colorado and Troy, is another terrible idea. In addition his first stint in Green Bay didn't work out well either.

 

[pizzle]

At this point in his career Brice is definitely not a better player than Burnett was over his time in Green Bay. Martinez is one of the best inside linebackers in the league, it would be extremely tough to adequately replace him let alone find an upgrade.



If having Lewis on the field is tipping the play call why do you think a fullback would be of any help???



It takes time for Gutekunst to build a competitve roster. It was unrealistic to expect him to be able to achieve that within a single offseason.



The Packers should definitely not hold on to Whitt and Philbin if they decide to move on from McCarthy.

Raheem Morris??? You gotta be kidding. I'm not impressed by him having a 17-31 record as a head coach in the league by any means.

Hiring Brian Brohm because of Purdue's performance against Nebraska, which is 0-5 this season and already lost to Colorado and Troy, is another terrible idea. In addition his first stint in Green Bay didn't work out well either.

C'mon WIMM-at least admit you want Aranda lol. Why didn't you mention that in your "I'm going to be arbitrary like always" reply to me? LoL...

 

[pizzle]

I didn't watch yesterday's game at DET (TY Lord) but just took another gander at the rest of our schedule. I'm coming around to the notion that it will be brutal again this season. Some of the "winnable games" are vs teams like Miami and Atlanta-the Dolphins could prolly beat us the way we've looked and the Falcons clearly are a matchup nightmare for us due to their overall better team speed. The crux is that after the bye we have to play the Rams/Pats/Seahawks/Vikings ALL ON THE ROAD within a month's time.

YUCK.

We're about to see the end of an era unfold right before our eyes and it won't be pretty.

We do not have enough talent on this team. Our only chance was selling the farm for Mack, and we didn't pull the trigger to outbid our oldest rival so now he is on our neck every time we play them, too.

6-9-1. As many losses as last season, with Aaron hobbling around all the way.

This is gonna be rough, smh...

 

[Poppa San]

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Merged three separate "this team sucks and here's why" threads.
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IMO it's too early to pull the pin on the coaching staff. I'd like to see what Whitt could do with more than 1 DB not on a rookie contract. Campen is again making quiche out of a bunch of broken eggs. The rest of the defense looks to be coming around. Offense seems to never be in a hurry. The drive midway through the fourth with running the play clock down when you are behind by 10? Line up and go. That is on the QB.

 

[rmontro]

I honestly don't know.Frustrated fans for years on here kept on calling for personal changes with the DC and the GM and we got them and nothing much has changed except it looks worse than before.

I have no problem with Pettine so far. The defense could be a lot better, but I think considering our talent level, Pettine is getting about as much out of it as we can hope. Right now we're 7th in yards and 14th in points, certainly an improvement over last year.

I think our defense should get over their fright of quarterbacks and make better plays. Twice Aaron had the ball stripped from his hand. Our D-line is too afraid to get anywhere near the quarterback and make any plays at all.

Other teams seem to be either stripping the ball, or taking the QB down and laying down beside him. If our guys do that, they should be okay.

Yeah, I know it can be worse and I could be a Clowns fan

The Browns are a team on the rise though (couldn't really have gotten any worse). If I was a Browns fan I would find this an exciting time. Baker Mayfield's debut kind of reminded me of Favre coming in and beating Cincinnati in his first game with the Packers.

 

[Snoops]

step away from the bong...

It did help to get through that **** poor game tho.. js

 

[Snoops]

We are gonna be 3-4-1 or 4-3-1 after the next three games unless the rams botch snaps miss field goals throw charity ints and run the wrong way for a safety maybe some dumb penalties too after that tho they can hopefully get rolling the patriots game I think could go 50/50 I think a realistic record for them is 10-5-1 at best.. I don’t think they gonna do better than 10-5-1 but I could see it going south of that too..

 

[Deleted member 6794]

C'mon WIMM-at least admit you want Aranda lol. Why didn't you mention that in your "I'm going to be arbitrary like always" reply to me? LoL...

If it makes you feel any better I would be fine with the Packers hiring Aranda as defensive coordinator. The other suggestions were ridiculous though.

 

[Snoops]

I have no problem with Pettine so far. The defense could be a lot better, but I think considering our talent level, Pettine is getting about as much out of it as we can hope. Right now we're 7th in yards and 14th in points, certainly an improvement over last year.
Sure as Hell reminded me of the same thing

Other teams seem to be either stripping the ball, or taking the QB down and laying down beside him. If our guys do that, they should be okay.


The Browns are a team on the rise though (couldn't really have gotten any worse). If I was a Browns fan I would find this an exciting time. Baker Mayfield's debut kind of reminded me of Favre coming in and beating Cincinnati in his first game with the Packers.

 

[Raptorman]

The Packers are 23-23-1 in their last 47 games. Almost three full seasons. They're nowhere near the talent level needed to be a serious Super Bowl contender, and we all know who is responsible for that.

Put it this way. Since the start of the 2014 season the Packers are 41-27-1. The same record as the Vikings during that time period. MN has had 5 Starting QB's during that time period.

 

[gonzozab]

I've never been a "Fire Mike McCarthy" guy, but I have never seen a Packers offense look as predictible, stale and lost as this year's since the Infante years. Thirteen years is a long time to coach one team. On average, and I'm guessing on this, coaches last about four or five years. After 13 years I think players are just starting to tune out MM. Add in Rodgers' frustration and it's probably time for a shakeup.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I have not seen anything to change my mind since the offseason: this is not a championship caliber roster. It is a byproduct of too many recent unproductive drafts. This last crop looks pretty good. Stack another one or two on top of that and we may have something.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I've never been a "Fire Mike McCarthy" guy, but I have never seen a Packers offense look as predictible, stale and lost as this year's since the Infante years. Thirteen years is a long time to coach one team. On average, and I'm guessing on this, coaches last about four or five years. After 13 years I think players are just starting to tune out MM. Add in Rodgers' frustration and it's probably time for a shakeup.

This "lost" offense put up 521 yds and 30 first downs, including drives of 65, 51, 68, 75, 55, 37 and 74 yards. And that's without 2 of the top 3 WRs playing. The Packers never punted.

6 major miscues in the first half, 3 fumbles deep in Packer territory and 3 high percentage missed field goals, were clearly the tale told. Do you expect to see every week Rodgers fumbling twice or a ST player to maybe or maybe not get in the way of a of a bouncing punt or Crosby ******** the pooch this badly? I don't.

The Lions defense was what I thought they were and the offense successfully exploited it.

This was a freakish loss against an inferior team. That happens sometimes.

 

[brandon2348]

I have not seen anything to change my mind since the offseason: this is not a championship caliber roster. It is a byproduct of too many recent unproductive drafts. This last crop looks pretty good. Stack another one or two on top of that and we may have something.

I agree. The cumulaltive damage by Thompson runs deep into the roster and more work needs to be done.

However, I still stand by this current team being able to make a run at it if they can get hot at the right time with some of the younger guys developing more.

 

[HardRightEdge]

However, I still stand by this current team being able to make a run at it if they can get hot at the right time with some of the younger guys developing more.

Anything's possible, especially if they get through a run with everybody healthy going into the playoffs and the opponents not. I just happen to see that as low probablity proposition, a hope rather than a rational proposition. By dispostion, I'm big on the latter and not so much on the former.

 

[brandon2348]

Anything's possible, especially if they get through a run with everybody healthy going into the playoffs and the opponents not. I just happen to see that as low probablity proposition, a hope rather than a rational proposition. By dispostion, I'm big on the latter and not so much on the former.

If I would of told you the Packers would have the 10th ranked defense in week 5 most people would think we would be 5-0 or at least 4-1.

There are things that need to be cleaned up no doubt but IMO there doable things. Stop committing stupid penalties, win the turnover battle and get Rodgers healthy.

If they can do this we have as good a chance as anyone.

 

[gonzozab]

This "lost" offense put up 521 yds and 30 first downs, including drives of 65, 51, 68, 75, 55, 37 and 74 yards. And that's without 2 of the top 3 WRs playing. The Packers never punted.

6 major miscues in the first half, 3 fumbles deep in Packer territory and 3 high percentage missed field goals, were clearly the tale told. Do you expect to see every week Rodgers fumbling twice every game or a ST player to maybe or maybe not get in the way of a of a bouncing punt or Crosby ******** the pooch this badly? I don't.

The Lions defense was what I thought they were and the offense successfully exploited it.

This was a freakish loss against an inferior team. That happens sometimes.

I said this year, not just this game. Do you really think garbage time stats make up for the less than impressiveoverall offensive play from the previous four games?

 

[brandon2348]

I said this year, not just this game. Do you really think garbage time stats make up for the less than impressiveoverall offensive play from the previous four games?

And people lined up to say that in 2016 when they were 4-6 and some even parlayed it an said Rodgers was washed up before they hit stride all the way to the NFC champ game. The difference being this year we actually have a serviceable defense.

My God I have never seen so much overreaction over some fluke week 5 loss.

 

[Packer96]

How did we get to that championship game? A miracle throw, catch and field goal. Not a lot of coaching involved. How did we do in the championship game? Blown out.