This is our ceiling!

[rmontro]

Nobody was chanting Jared Goff's name before last season. Love has a lot of the tools. His shortcomings IMO are the kinds of things that a good QB coach should be able to fix.

Clements is leaving, isn't he? So are we going to have a good QB coach?

 

[El Guapo]

Sounds like you have a lot of faith in Gute. I hope it's justified.

Gutekunst started off slow, for sure. It is a hard argument to dig in your heals and say that he hasn't improved every season. History is no predictor of future success, but his momentum is going in the right direction.

Gutekunst's solid picks:
2018: Jaire Alexander, MVS
2019: Rashan Gary, Elgton Jenkins
2020: Jordan Love, AJ Dillon, Jon Runyan
2021: Eric Stokes, Josh Myers, TJ Slaton, Isaiah McDuffie (Stokes was good until injured)
2022: Quay Walker, Devonte Wyatt, Christian Watson, Sean Rhyan, Romeo Doubs, Zach Tom, Kingsley Enagbare, Rasheed Walker
2023: Luke Musgrave, Jayden Reed, Tucker Kraft, Dontayvion Wicks, Carrington Valentine
2024: Edgerrin Cooper, Javon Bullard, Evan Williams so far....with Morgan, Monk, and MarShawn Lloyd yet to play

 

[El Guapo]

Clements is leaving, isn't he? So are we going to have a good QB coach?

Who knows. Maybe nobody can get through to Love. Jordan is good, but I think that we all see more in him. He can make all of the throws but doesn't do it consistently. For all of the talk about LaFleur holding the reins tight in the first half of 2023 and then letting go in the second half, it seemed more haphazard this season. It's tough to tell if Matt was still holding onto the reins or had completely let go, because Jordan was a bit all over the place.

However, I'll just say that in general his WRs failed Jordan this season. They made some plays, but they failed to make so many more.

 

[gopkrs]

Some of it has to do with receivers just not getting open imho. And that (like McCarthy at the end) is mostly on the coaches imho. And mostly on LaFleur.

 

[shockerx]

Yeah, but nobody was saying that about Stafford or Goff until they got to their current teams. Mahomes and Jackson?? Instant stars as you pointed out. Some QBs need time to marinate or just need to cook low and slow to be awesome. Others need a change of scenery or coaches to reach their full potential.

Nobody was chanting Jared Goff's name before last season. Love has a lot of the tools. His shortcomings IMO are the kinds of things that a good QB coach should be able to fix.

Believe me I hope you are right and i am wrong. But Love has had 5 years in the system and just doesnt look like there is progress for that time frame given what was around him with coaching and Rodgers. Ill say I hope the injury held him back this year, and we see the results of healthy Love next year. I just think he middle the the pack QB.. his field vision and decision making are very questionable...and that has little to due with an injury. But Im sure rooting for him.

 

[Half Empty]

O.K., so I should have written "will always break your heart in the playoffs."

Happy now?

Point is, Love is Green Bay's version of Jay Cutler, nothing more.

Maybe not happy, but at least satisfied with more accurate wording.

Not sure which version of Love is the one we'll see downstream, but you're seriously equating him to Culter? Love with two years as a starter, 18-14 record, two playoffs. Cutler with 12 years, 74-79, one playoff. Seems a little harsh.