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In response to the multiple people questioning me for listing Rodgers as a dud:

Look, I've watched almost every snap Aaron Rodgers has ever taken. He has set a certain standard with his immaculate play, and he is the reason we win. He can't just be good, he has to be the reason we win. This was so reminiscent of the NFCCG in Seattle. The defense gave our offense chance after chance, and they just couldn't put it in the end-zone, and even went three-and-out on two or three consecutive possessions. One TD, or even a few first downs, seals this game. How many times can you expect the defense to hold them?

The offense just looked very lackadaisical at times, not seeming to recognize the opportunity they had to effectively end this extremely crucial game. It's like they just threw away downs. WR screens which went virtually nowhere, including one which Aaron threw at Cobb's feet on first down. Running on 2nd and 10 into a wall. Third and long over and over and over. 3rd and 2 from the 7 or something and he "kills" his playcall to let Williams get stuffed. Look, if Aaron is the best, which I think he is, he has to disregard what he sees on that particular play and live or die with himself. The ball MUST be in his hands. It just has to be. And then, when it was in his hands in overtime, he didn't come through. The situation is that we are driving at home with Rodgers at the helm, about 10-15 yards from field goal range in a 2nd and 2. What a spot to be in. After everything that transpired, Clay's penalty, Vikings's comeback, everything, and ALL you need is a field goal, I'm sorry, you have to seal the deal. Not only that, but Aaron fumbled on a playfake that certainly looked like it had the defense fooled. Not to mention the poor clock management at the end of regulation. Of course, stuff like that is always a combination of the QB and coach, but as the hundred million dollar man, the face of the franchise, Rodgers has to shoulder a lot of the blame for the offensive ineptitude at times. I'm not saying he played poorly, but he had so many different opportunities to take command, instill more confidence, and manipulate the way thing played out differently. When his best was needed, mentally and physically, he was not at his best. He was not the best quarterback on the field on Sunday, and I'm sure he would admit as much. That being said, I still think he is the best quarterback in the league by a wide margin, and expect him to be pissed at how this one played out. I expect him to come out with far more urgency next week, and especially when they find themselves in a situation like this again. It will be a lesson going forward to the entire squad that you can't just sit on a lead, and that every single play matters. Don't take anything for granted. Perhaps this will be a blessing in disguise, and this will incite this team to more urgency collectively. I guess I just, admittedly, hold Aaron to a ridiculously high standard, and would expect him to cash this one in 99 times out of 100. Yes the officiating was horrendous, yes MM was sometimes a hindrance, but that game just has to be won. I definitely have complete faith in Rodgers moving forward.

Side note: I really hope King is alright, he stood out before exiting. He really is a special talent, but it would be unfortunate if his career got derailed due to constant injuries. Also, Brice is just awful.
 
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Well if House is alone on an island with the other teams best WR, he needs help for sure. Brice is not that guy so far.
I don’t think we have a safety on the roster that can be that guy. Randall is gone, he could have been that guy imo. The only possibility I see is Josh Jackson.
 

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A lot of criticism on Brice after he had a good game against bears. I predict he plays well in game 3 with one caveat...House does not play.

House might have to play as I don’t expect King to be ready...especially since he didn’t even come back into the game. Groin injuries in GB mean 2-3 games minimum
 

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duds: house. when he comes in they should go man with him getting the worst of the wr's out there. everyone else were good/ok...even clay. he didn't have a bad game.

refs were a dud. they had a very bad game.
 

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As for Mack, yeah, the Packers might have been able to afford him, but with Rodger's contract + the Mack contract they couldn't have afforded much of anybody else. I don't think they passed on Mack out of stupidity or stubbornness. The NFL salary cap is a real constraint.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying we definitely should have gotten him, I'm just wondering. I never called for us to get Mack. But if we had a better pass rush our safeties would probably look better. True we couldn't have afforded much else, but would we need anybody else, or would he push us over the top? I'm not sure. But for some reason throughout the whole thing I've always imagined Ted in the background naysaying it. Maybe rightly so, I don't know. Maybe not.
 

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The offense just looked very lackadaisical at times, not seeming to recognize the opportunity they had to effectively end this extremely crucial game.
Again it reminded me a lot of the NFCCG against the Seahawks. Lots of opportunities but they couldn't punch it in. Both times playing against a very tough defense, and both times Rodgers was playing hurt. And the defense became a sieve late.
 

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Dud: Mike Zimmer. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: John D'Whatever it is. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Kirk Cousins. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Stefon Diggs. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Adam Thielen. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Dalvin Cook. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Kyle Rudolph. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Laquon Treadwell. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Mike Remmers. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Riley Reiff. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Tom Compton. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Brett Jones. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Rashod Hill. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Brian O'Neill. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Everson Griffen. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Danielle Hunter (girls name). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Sheldon Richardson (nerds name). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Linval Joseph (weird name). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Anthony Barr. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Eric Kendricks. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Ben Gedeon. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Harrison Smith (two last names-- idiot). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Trae Waynes. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Andrew Suckdejo. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Xavier Rhodes. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Mackensie Alexander (6 year old girls name). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: John "my team sucks at drafting" Carlson. He sucks and he lost.
 

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Again it reminded me a lot of the NFCCG against the Seahawks. Lots of opportunities but they couldn't punch it in. Both times playing against a very tough defense, and both times Rodgers was playing hurt. And the defense sealed the win late only to have it taken away by incompetence.

Fixed!
 

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Can he not irrevocably ruin a game with a horrible call? Maybe the NFL can hire him to officiate.

Dud: Mike Zimmer. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: John D'Whatever it is. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Kirk Cousins. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Stefon Diggs. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Adam Thielen. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Dalvin Cook. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Kyle Rudolph. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Laquon Treadwell. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Mike Remmers. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Riley Reiff. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Tom Compton. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Brett Jones. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Rashod Hill. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Brian O'Neill. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Everson Griffen. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Danielle Hunter (girls name). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Sheldon Richardson (nerds name). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Linval Joseph (weird name). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Anthony Barr. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Eric Kendricks. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Ben Gedeon. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Harrison Smith (two last names-- idiot). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Trae Waynes. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Andrew Suckdejo. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Xavier Rhodes. He sucks and he lost.
Dud: Mackensie Alexander (6 year old girls name). He sucks and he lost.
Dud: John "my team sucks at drafting" Carlson. He sucks and he lost.

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On the topic of hard counts, whether they draw them offsides or not, they work. It keeps them from getting jumps, it makes them be disciplined along the defensive line and in a game where a split second twitch makes a difference, it helps. Part of his game is diagnosing the Defense before it's snapped. MN is very good and not showing a damn thing until the ball is snapped. It's a chess match. While Rodgers is making them be disciplined along the dline, they're making him use every second of the play clock to try and diagnose a defense where they show nothing.

Rodgers has always used a lot of the play clock, i doubt its changing. It's part of what allows him to do what we do. it just so happens MN is pretty good at countering it, but it doesn't mean you just get rid of it. you win some, you lose some, especially against great opponents.

I agree with you to a point but that only works if they snap the ball and don't take a timeout. If they take a timeout the vikings win. I'm sure its not necessarily the attempt to draw them offside that people are complaining about it is the wasted timeout. Why can't you have a play called and snap the ball with 1 second left. It may just catch the defense off guard if they are expecting a timeout.


The call on Matthews was the final one that should send this crew back to the Lingerie League.

Maybe that's what they are hoping for. I gotta be honest I think I might prefer it.


Most fans just want the opposite of whatever didn't work, see my experience at the Badger BYU game.

And they are not afraid to say so, even if it changes from week to week.

We still have to be lucky to have Mason Crosby instead of the Vikings FG kicker

I think I feel worse for Crosby than anyone else. To go 6/6 then have the last one taken off the board and miss the rekick, That has to be tough.
 

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It is crazy how much the flag on Clay changes perceptions today

1. Obvious the win instead of tie and who is in the driver's seat of the NFC North
2. The Viking's kicker would still have a job today. His two late misses would have never happened
3. The Packer's defense would have given us confidence by coming up with turnovers on back to back drives to close the game
4. Kirk Cousins would look like what most people around here said he was - a good not great qb.
5. As a Wisconsin sports fan the Badger's loss and the Brewer's series loss would be talked about more
6. Alexander would be getting even more hype
 

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It is crazy how much the flag on Clay changes perceptions today

1. Obvious the win instead of tie and who is in the driver's seat of the NFC North
2. The Viking's kicker would still have a job today. His two late misses would have never happened
3. The Packer's defense would have given us confidence by coming up with turnovers on back to back drives to close the game
4. Kirk Cousins would look like what most people around here said he was - a good not great qb.
5. As a Wisconsin sports fan the Badger's loss and the Brewer's series loss would be talked about more
6. Alexander would be getting even more hype

7. Everything would not be the absolute worst.
 

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Dud: The NFL for having ridiculous OT rules that change every week and for still allowing games to end in a tie.

As kane and boring as soccer is, at least they don't allow it with those kick contests.
In that way it is better.
 

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Let's just pretend this game never happened.

What game? That was a fleecing by Zebras.

Should have known there was a problem when this shot was released of the Refs taking the field.

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I fully support the efforts the league is making to protect quarterbacks. I still think the Barr hit on Rodgers last year SHOULD have been flagged as it was unnecessary and a bit late. The game is no fun to watch if the star quarterbacks are too injured to play.

That said, I wouldn't blame the rule change for the Matthews call. It was simply a BAD CALL. The ref blew it big time. Just as they blew the PI calls earlier both by commission and omission.

Protect the QB. But make the correct call, for heaven's sake. Clay didn't do anything even slightly wrong on that tackle.
 

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NfL Referees have responded to Packer fan concerns:


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