Vikings studs and Duds official

[bigbubbatd]

I certainly wouldn't put Rodgers in the dud category, but of all the chances the Packers had to score a TD they only got one. That's disappointing.

What's even more disappointing is that now that the Packers seem to have fixed their CB problem, their safeties look awful.

Neither team was that good.

I agree the lack of tds was an issue but how much of that is on Rodgers. They had one to Graham but then the penalty put them so far back a fg was the likely outcome. There was the play that Adams could have made in the end zone although Kendricks just made a great play too. Easily could have had two more tds there. One of the field goals was at the end of the half. Not sure how Rodgers can be blamed too much for not finishing those drives. Maybe the other one I can remember.

 

[AmishMafia]

Great fir three quarters? Idk what you were watching?? But I saw a defense play GOOD for one half, and give up big play after big play in the second half.

The Packer defense played very well for the first 3 quarters, only giving up 1 TD in the first. In the 4th quarter they gave up 22. They didnt play better in OT but we only got lucky they played for the FG and then missed.

In the end, the Packers are undefeated and still growing as a team. There are some define positives and some troubling issues as well. One thing is that many here and throughout the NFL already crowned the Vikes as NFC champs for this year and we proved yesterday, we can beat them.

 

[scotscheese]

I am really struggling to understand how Rodgers is placed in the dud category. Look I get we should have ran the football on 3rd down, but Davante dropped that ball in the end zone that would have won that game.

AR's play wasn't dudlike, he was just as average as the rest of the players on the field, which is understandable with a gimpy leg. it was wasting 3 timeouts that makes him a bit of a dud, he's experienced enough to be able not to waste them

 

[XPack]

Stud:

Graham, Geronimo, AR12, Defence (most of the game).

Regular Dud:

MM's clock management

Dumpster Fire Dud:

Refreeing

 

[DarkHelmet]

Studs:
Williams and Monty, again, for effort, grit, good blitz pickups.
Crosby. Would have been a superstud if he'd made the game winner, obviously.
Allison. Dude can play. Good hands.
Scott. Glad we drafted him.

Near stud:
Rodgers -- not bad for a guy with a bad leg, but a couple of costly errors.
Graham.

Duds:

The refs were unbelievably bad. The roughing call on Matthews was a complete disgrace. The Vikes hit Rodgers later than that more than once without a call. That was absolutely a clean, legal hit. The various blown calls on PI and the tickytack holding calls at critical moments just put the fetid icing on a rancid cake.

Brice. I have never been sold on the guy as a starter. He cost them the win with his complete whiff on the late TD.

Clock management.

 

[SUGAMAN44]

My Positives:

Rookie Cornerbacks: These guys are studs. Love how fast Alexander is and can fly to a play. He was getting in on screens which the packers seem to always allow easy yards with.
Dline: They look like they are starting to come together alittle more and start making plays.
Arod: Didn't get injured
Oline: Seemed to do pretty well all game protecting rogers. They worried me last week.

Negatives:
House: man, dude got burned and gave up a huge touchdown, couldn't even keep up.
King hurt: was holding digs up very up very well during game.
Refs: several bs calls.
Allowing 400 pass yards: cmon pettine. why stop trying to rush the qb in 4th quarter. seems like every team makes a comeback when playing prevent.

 

[mongoosev]

I believe we already have a "stud and dud" thread.

 

[PackAttack12]

*facepalm*

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I know Rodgers knee may be a problem to do it for an entire game, but I do prefer when the Packer offense plays faster. It doesn't mean they have to immediately line up and snap the ball after every tackle, but if they hustled it up a bit, got lined up, let Rodgers survey the defense and make the call at the LOS, he would have plenty of time to go through whatever hard counts he wants and not have to burn timeouts.

AR was guilty of not keeping a better eye on the play clock yesterday and whether burning those timeouts cost them the game or not, it sure is nice to have those timeouts at the end of a half or game and not have burned them to save yourself 5 yards when you didn't have to.

 

[mongoosev]

I have to say that O did a great job with an immobile and broken rod. which he did better when he was healthy in the first half against the bears. perhaps someone should hit him with a bat in the knee before each game! I still do not have faith in the D and refs. not calling pass interference against the defender on graham is just crazy!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

refs. not calling pass interference against the defender on graham is just crazy!

Then they doubled down on that bad call by calling Adams for Offensive PI on the next play and tripled down later with a no PI in the endzone while Adams was getting hand checked and grabbed.

The call on Matthews was the final one that should send this crew back to the Lingerie League.

 

[DarkHelmet]

One other dud or semi-dud for me was the way the Packers chose to cover Diggs late in the game. It seemed rather casual. Diggs is their best receiver. He should be getting intense coverage on every play, but especially late in the game. Letting him get loose in the corner with only half-hearted coverage is unacceptable. Not sure how to apportion the blame between the DBs and Pettine.

 

[C-Lee]

Man, I'm still pissed.

 

[scotscheese]

oh and a special mention for NFL gamepass that cut the feed after our first play in OT and replaced it with some shaking camera from what looked like the eagles game

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One other dud or semi-dud for me was the way the Packers chose to cover Diggs late in the game. It seemed rather casual. Diggs is their best receiver. He should be getting intense coverage on every play, but especially late in the game. Letting him get loose in the corner with only half-hearted coverage is unacceptable. Not sure how to apportion the blame between the DBs and Pettine.

I would put that more on the King injury and having to rely on House and Brice being out there and still being concerned about Thielen. With HaHa in his final year and Josh Jones being average at best, it really is time for Gute to pull the trigger on bringing in another S, I won't mention the obvious option still out there. Also, as much as I liked the House signing for veteran depth, his time might be up, I would have rather have seen one of the 2 rookies on Diggs than House.

 

[SUGAMAN44]

I believe we already have a "stud and dud" thread.

oh your right,
how do i delete this

 

[gopkrs]

A lot of criticism on Brice after he had a good game against bears. I predict he plays well in game 3 with one caveat...House does not play.

 

[rmontro]

What's even more disappointing is that now that the Packers seem to have fixed their CB problem, their safeties look awful.

I couldn't watch on TV, could only listen to the radio broadcast. But they kept saying that we needed to get a better pass rush. I wonder what this team would look like if they could have gotten Khalil Mack? I keep imagining Ted standing over Gute's shoulder saying "No Brian, that's too expensive, we can't afford that".

I want to note that Kirk Cousins outplayed Rodgers yesterday. Of course Rodgers had a bad knee, didn't practice all week, and had to play against the Vikings defense.

 

[DarkHelmet]

I would put that more on the King injury and having to rely on House and Brice being out there and still being concerned about Thielen. With HaHa in his final year and Josh Jones being average at best, it really is time for Gute to pull the trigger on bringing in another S, I won't mention the obvious option still out there. Also, as much as I liked the House signing for veteran depth, his time might be up, I would have rather have seen one of the 2 rookies on Diggs than House.

Agree. House has never been better than a #3 corner. Not the guy you want covering Diggs. But whoever you put on Diggs had better try to be all over the guy.

 

[easyk83]

The defense has definitely improved over the past few seasons. The lack of a decent free safety might end up being costly though.

And through 2 weeks Randall has been a standout at Free Safety in Cleveland.

I'm absolutely convinced you were one of those fans criticizing McCarthy for being too conservative running the ball to burn clock during the NFCCG at Seattle in 2014.

Most fans just want the opposite of whatever didn't work, see my experience at the Badger BYU game.

 

[DarkHelmet]

I couldn't watch on TV, could only listen to the radio broadcast. But they kept saying that we needed to get a better pass rush. I wonder what this team would look like if they could have gotten Khalil Mack? I keep imagining Ted standing over Gute's shoulder saying "No Brian, that's too expensive, we can't afford that".

I want to note that Kirk Cousins outplayed Rodgers yesterday. Of course Rodgers had a bad knee, didn't practice all week, and had to play against the Vikings defense.

If Adams hangs onto the TD to salt away the game would you still say that Cousins outplayed Rodgers? I'll admit that Cousins played very well. Bridgewater or Ponder or one of the other previous Viking mediocrities doesn't get them back into it in the fourth quarter. Cousins is probably worth the money.

As for Mack, yeah, the Packers might have been able to afford him, but with Rodger's contract + the Mack contract they couldn't have afforded much of anybody else. I don't think they passed on Mack out of stupidity or stubbornness. The NFL salary cap is a real constraint.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I want to note that Kirk Cousins outplayed Rodgers yesterday. Of course Rodgers had a bad knee, didn't practice all week, and had to play against the Vikings defense.

Would you have said that if Clay doesnt get called for a bogus roughing call and Cousin's terrible int stands? Cousins was good but honestly he should have ended the game with back to back ints (only one which his fault) and would have ended with what 300 ish yards because he wouldnt have had that huge drive or the two OT drives. Amazing how one play can change perception

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Agree. House has never been better than a #3 corner. Not the guy you want covering Diggs. But whoever you put on Diggs had better try to be all over the guy.

Well if House is alone on an island with the other teams best WR, he needs help for sure. Brice is not that guy so far.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And through 2 weeks Randall has been a standout at Free Safety in Cleveland.

Sounds like he was injured again yesterday. I don't think a lot of people are surprised that he is playing better at FS then what he did at CB in Green Bay. It probably also helps that the Browns have finally taken advantage of drafting high and put some nice pieces together on their defense.

 

[bigbubbatd]

To the point i made about Cousins a few posts ago I saw this on Twitter. Very different perspective on Cousin's numbers if no call was made

Marques Eversoll‏Verified account @MarquesEversoll
Marques Eversoll Retweeted Tim Bruce

Kirk Cousins was 35-48 for 425 yards, 4 TD 1 INT. If the Clay Matthews flag wasn't thrown, Cousins woulda been 23-32 for 284 yards, 3 TD 2 INT. #Math