Tramon Williams is coming back to Green Bay

[Dantés]

Actually, overthecap.com shows about $60 million in cap space for 2019 which assumes a $14 million bump over the current $176 million in cap space:

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers/

What you evidently did not notice is the covers only 29 players under contract with T. Williams data not yet posted. For the math challenged, that's 24 short of full deck, a PS or any cap in reserve. Those 29 players do not include guys named Matthews, Cobb, Clinton-Dix, your buddy Wilkerson, Montgomery, Brice and Ryan, the very same guys expected to play a primary or secondary role in your "win now" season and you expect to magically replace them with that money. The cost of players keeps going up, and the cost of core and impact players is going up faster than the cap.

There's always the possibility of a 10 win season so long as Rodgers is around assuming his shoulder does not cause him difficulties. With a QB of that caliber, you reckon you start at 8-8 and work your way up from there with some measure of personnel competency and reasonably decent roster health.

I suppose many are OK with 10 wins, getting to the playoffs, and then seeing what happens. I wouldn't question 10 wins this year, but how's that "seeing what happens" thing been working lately?

Does anybody honestly think this is as a good a roster as those going back 2, 3, 4. 5 years? No, it isn't. And it's getting worse next year. Expending limited cap space on aging short time FAs makes the 2019 situation that much more concerning in their half measures.

There's a way out of this bind, which the brain trust is making more acute: two outstanding drafts providing a mix of starters and impact players in their rookie and second seasons. The way things are going, it looks more like reaching to fill needs.

Exhausting? For some, perhaps. Hillarious? Not so much. One might question the state of mind that finds hilairty in something so exhausting. Anyway, you can get used to it or ignore it, but the cap updates will continue.

I am sure that you will continue to tell us that the cap sky is falling. I’ll just keep laughing.

You’re talking about run of the mill, offseason roster turnover like it’s Armageddon. I get it, it’s your schtick.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I am sure that you will continue to tell us that the cap sky is falling. I’ll just keep laughing.

You’re talking about run of the mill, offseason roster turnover like it’s Armageddon. I get it, it’s your schtick.

Your emotional reactions are not my concern. "Run of the mill" roster turnover? Not in Packerland. Oh, you mean run of the mill in the league? That gets you to 8-8. I thought you were more optimistic than that.

Armageddon? You mean like an asteroid strike or a mega-volcano blowing it's top? No, I would not consider it that.

I consider it a short-sighted and ineffective way to build a championship football team.

 

[HardRightEdge]

To bad its only 2018 and not next off season. I don't think too many people are wringing their hands over next year. They are concerned about getting through this year first and we have considerably less than 47 million.

That's exactly right. "People", including the Packer brain trust, are interested in "getting through" this year. And that's what you're likely to get if that's what you plan for.

This team needs at least two years to fix. What you expend on short term fixes is what you don't have for long term improvements.

 

[OldSchool101]

This team needs at least two years to fix.

Well said. While we could possibly have a half dozen players all suddenly rise to the occasion, this is a more reasonable..best case scenario.

 

[rmontro]

3 picks in his first 7 passes, I think it was (out of his mind bad). Out of his mind good in those last 5 minutes exploiting a defense and special teams that lost focus.

Yeah, I was definitely talking about the end, when their comeback was on. Our defense had checked out, but Williams said Wilson dropped that pass in perfectly, and I see no reason to dispute him. From my memory at least, that pass was insane.

 

[Dantés]

Your emotional reactions are not my concern. "Run of the mill" roster turnover? Not in Packerland. Oh, you mean run of the mill in the league? That gets you to 8-8. I thought you were more optimistic than that.

Armageddon? You mean like an asteroid strike or a mega-volcano blowing it's top? No, I would not consider it that.

I consider it a short-sighted and ineffective way to build a championship football team.

First you throw out these novel length posts trying to explain why the Packers are in cap trouble moving forward. When it's pointed out to you that they quite simply are not, you turn then to the number of players under contract in 2019. You're either forgetting or purposefully ignoring that the vast majority of those 24 open spots you cited will be cheap rookie contracts. This draft class, next draft class, and any UDFA's that happen to make the roster between the two offseasons will account for most of those spots. The Packers will have the space they need to fill the remaining slots with supplemental veterans as needed.

If it somehow makes you happy to pretend like the Packers are in hot water against the cap, that's fine with me. I will just keep pointing out how silly it is lest others make the mistake of taking you seriously. But if I was you, I'd consider finding a new hobby horse. This one makes no sense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

With no movement on Matthews' contract, if there was ever any intention of doing so, bolstering the edge looks more like a draft consideration with each passing day. There is no cap for an impact player at this juncture without cutting somebody.

In addition there isn't an impact edge rusher available in free agency anymore.

 

[Dantés]

In addition there isn't an impact edge rusher available in free agency anymore.

Was there one at any point?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Was there one at any point?

I don't think so.

 

[HardRightEdge]

First you throw out these novel length posts trying to explain why the Packers are in cap trouble moving forward. When it's pointed out to you that they quite simply are not, you turn then to the number of players under contract in 2019. You're either forgetting or purposefully ignoring that the vast majority of those 24 open spots you cited will be cheap rookie contracts. This draft class, next draft class, and any UDFA's that happen to make the roster between the two offseasons will account for most of those spots. The Packers will have the space they need to fill the remaining slots with supplemental veterans as needed.

If it somehow makes you happy to pretend like the Packers are in hot water against the cap, that's fine with me. I will just keep pointing out how silly it is lest others make the mistake of taking you seriously. But if I was you, I'd consider finding a new hobby horse. This one makes no sense.

Actually, I did not "respond" to your ignorance of who is included in that 2019 cap number so much as repeating myself.

12 rookies per year over two years on the 53 man roster plus "supplemental vets" while losing a bunch of core players? Yeah, that's a problem.

 

[Dantés]

Actually, I did not "respond" to your ignorance of who is included in that 2019 cap number so much as repeating myself.

12 rookies per year over two years on the 53 man roster plus "supplemental vets" while losing a bunch of core players? Yeah, that's a problem.

Again- normal roster turnover that you’re dressing up to be a huge problem. Who are the “bunch of core players” that the Packers can’t replace in the draft and free agency? Your nonsense hides behind a bunch of vagueness because specificity reveals that it’s stupid. It’s just like when you said that the cap situation was especially bad for next year because of all the Packers’ free agents. A closer look and it turns out that there’s really only one guy who might warrant significant money. You are aware that the rest of us have access to the internet, yes?

 

[OldSchool101]

Let’s play nice.
I think it’s likely we can buy some time fixing the CB by finding one more Veteran CB to compete for that #3 CB position.
Then we should start planning for the future by grabbing a CB during day 2 of the draft and maybe even again day 3.

That’s the great thing about having all these mid rounders, we can afford to pick twice at a couple position groups. I’d like to see multiple picks at both CB and OL this year.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Your nonsense hides behind a bunch of vagueness because specificity reveals that it’s stupid.

Now I know you're being disingenuous. You called my specificity "novels", now you say there is none. Oh, snap! You just didn't read them!

I don't know what game you think you're playing, but I'm going to be a lot more selective in wasting time responding to you henceforth.

 

[Dantés]

Now I know you're being disingenuous. You called my specificity "novels", now you say there is none. Oh, snap! You just didn't read them!

I don't know what game you think you're playing, but I'm going to be a lot more selective in wasting time responding to you henceforth.

You’re doing a great job dodging the actual points and questions. That basically tells me what I need to know.

 

[Poppa San]

Now I know you're being disingenuous. You called my specificity "novels", now you say there is none. Oh, snap! You just didn't read them!

I don't know what game you think you're playing, but I'm going to be a lot more selective in wasting time responding to you henceforth.

You’re doing a great job dodging the actual points and questions. That basically tells me what I need to know.

Your bickering about minutiae is getting on my nerves. I'll say this ONCE. Ignore is my friend.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Your bickering about minutiae is getting on my nerves. I'll say this ONCE. Ignore is my friend.

I already said I will be more selective going forward in responsponding to that guy. You quoted that comment, in fact. For me, you're a day late and a dollar short. As for the other guy? Talk to him.

 

[Dantés]

Your bickering about minutiae is getting on my nerves. I'll say this ONCE. Ignore is my friend.

Pardon me Poppa, but you have said this a lot more than ONCE .

 

[hallzi43]

Tramon's contract counts for 3.5M against the cap this season. Which leaves us just under 17M of space left. So roughly about 9M left for FA's when you take into account rookies.

Next season he will account for 6.375M against the cap. Looks like there is an out after this year so not a bad deal at all.

 

[Ace]

Tramon's contract counts for 3.5M against the cap this season. Which leaves us just under 17M of space left. So roughly about 9M left for FA's when you take into account rookies.

Next season he will account for 6.375M against the cap. Looks like there is an out after this year so not a bad deal at all.

Rookies aren't going to account for $8M as far as I know, rather $3-4M

But yes, a very good deal for Tramon, and what I anticipated. A 1 year deal with a team option for the 2nd.

 

[hallzi43]

Rookies aren't going to account for $8M as far as I know, rather $3-4M

But yes, a very good deal for Tramon, and what I anticipated. A 1 year deal with a team option for the 2nd.

I had read that somewhere we needed to keep around 8M for our draft guys. But after doing a little investigating you are probably more right that its about half that at best. So around 13M still open to FA's.

 

[Ace]

I had read that somewhere we needed to keep around 8M for our draft guys. But after doing a little investigating you are probably more right that its about half that at best. So around 13M still open to FA's.

I am by not means a cap expert, we need Captain for that

 

[hallzi43]

I am by not means a cap expert, we need Captain for that

If Over the Cap's estimates are right. We will need roughly 3.6M for our rookie pool.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I had read that somewhere we needed to keep around 8M for our draft guys. But after doing a little investigating you are probably more right that its about half that at best. So around 13M still open to FA's.

The Packers don't have $13 million of cap space to spend in free agency as players #52 and #53 currently not counting against the cap as well as the practice squad will eat up $2 million of it. In addition the team will have to save some money for players replacing guys being put on injured reserve.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Good to see Tramon getting ready for 2018!

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/984120217109282817

 

[HardRightEdge]

The Packers don't have $13 million of cap space to spend in free agency as players #52 and #53 currently not counting against the cap as well as the practice squad will eat up $2 million of it. In addition the team will have to save some money for players replacing guys being put on injured reserve.

Novel thinking.

It is also not clear whether the current top 51 cap space is $16 mil (overthecap.com) or $14 mil (sportrac.com).