Tramon Williams is coming back to Green Bay

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Novel thinking. ;)

I have been well aware of the fact that teams need some cap space to replace players being put on injured reserve but I'm not convinced anymore those moves are guaranteed to reduce it by several millions. I will take a close look at the situation this season.
 
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I have been well aware of the fact that teams need some cap space to replace players being put on injured reserve but I'm not convinced anymore those moves are guaranteed to reduce it by several millions. I will take a close look at the situation this season.
Well, though the following has some inaccuracies, each one of the valid IR boxes cost about an addition $30,000 in cap space if the replacement is paid at the first year minimum, PS promotion or otherwise:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2017_injuries.htm

Though Ahmad Brooks' late signing was more a reaction to the disappointing camp/preseason of the OLB bench, at a cost of $3.5 mil, one could easily see a similar signing if somebody of note ends up on PUP or IR sometime between now and the start of the season. It's not as though there's much in the way of quality depth to start with.

I don't know what the Packers will have to spend or want to spend on injury replacements any more than I can accurately predict what kinds of medical bills I might incur this year, but in either case one would want to have insurnace.

Insurance can take another form besides having a cap cushion in place. It can be having potential cap savings in certain players one would consider expendable in a pinch or replaceable with a draft pick. If Matthews and Cobb are going to stick around for the year, which appears to be the case, the leading candidate would Bulaga. After that, you get down to Ryan, Kendricks and Rollins in the $1 - $2 mil range.
 
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Rookies aren't going to account for $8M as far as I know, rather $3-4M

But yes, a very good deal for Tramon, and what I anticipated. A 1 year deal with a team option for the 2nd.
The Packer's 2018 rookie salary pool is $9.3 mil, but that's not the cap reduction because of a couple of factors:

1) Every one of the drafted guys that qualifies for the top 51 knocks somebody else out of the top 51, and those somebodies are going to be at or near the second year minimum.

2) By the time you get down to the #133 pick at the bottom of the 4th. round, there isn't much difference between that guy's scheduled salary ($594,000) and the guy who gets bumped out of the top 51 ($555,000).

Consequently, the meaningful cap cost for the top 51 involves only the cost of the top 4 picks minus the cap cost of the 4 guys they bump out or the top 51. That's about $3 mil.
 
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Well, though the following has some inaccuracies, each one of the valid IR boxes cost about an addition $30,000 in cap space if the replacement is paid at the first year minimum, PS promotion or otherwise:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2017_injuries.htm

That's not completely accurate as some of the players being put on injured reserve end up not earning bonuses for being active on game day or other likely to be earned ones resulting in the replacement not taking up additional cap space. In addition teams often reach injury settlements with fringe players being out for the season reducing their cap hit as well.

Once again, it would be interesting to take a close look at those numbers this season.
 
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That's not completely accurate as some of the players being put on injured reserve end up not earning bonuses for being active on game day or other likely to be earned ones resulting in the replacement not taking up additional cap space. In addition teams often reach injury settlements with fringe players being out for the season reducing their cap hit as well.

Once again, it would be interesting to take a close look at those numbers this season.
None of it is completely accurate because nobody has a crystal ball. That doesn't mean an insurance policy or a Plan B isn't necessary.

The usual sites lump roster and per game bonuses together however this site breaks them out:

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/gb/green-bay-packers?rw=1

Per game roster bonuses are not that common. Bulaga ($650,000), Cobb ($500,000) , Crosby ($200,000), Graham ($300,000) , Matthews ($500,000), Rodgers ($600,000) and Wilkerson ($600,000). That's it. These are the kinds of players where if they end up on IR then a practice squad replacement is not likely to be adequate and where the replacement cost goes above the rookie minimum if a FA is signed.

Injury settlements are uncommon, they are typically for small amounts for marginal players, and when they occur before the season starts they can amount to small dead cap amounts rather than cap savings.

That said, there's a reality that cannot be avoided. You either maintain a multi-million dollar cap cushion for PUP/IR replacements or you must identify a vet player or players with cap savings in their contracts that you'd be willing to part with for replacement cap.
 
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Saw this coming a mile away. Definitely makes sense considering the state of the position at the moment. House is another Vet body, that has to be viewed as an upgrade over quite a few guys currently on the roster as CB's.
 

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Not my overall preferred outcome, but I will gladly take it over adding nobody.
As long as the contract comes without much in the way of guarantees, I see this as a positive move towards something that has haunted previous teams, inexperienced depth. If some of the younger guys step up and beat House out, then he gets cut. However, if House makes the team and come October a starter goes down, I would rather see House come in than say Herb Waters.
 

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As long as the contract comes without much in the way of guarantees, I see this as a positive move towards something that has haunted previous teams, inexperienced depth. If some of the younger guys step up and beat House out, then he gets cut. However, if House makes the team and come October a starter goes down, I would rather see House come in than say Herb Waters.
Im sure many in here will see nothing but a negative here, but I agree that while House is certainly not a shutdown corner, he is a better alternative than nothing when the inevitable injuries begin to appear.
 

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when he can play healthy he's a lot better than just some guy out there. His issue here has always been staying healthy. Nobody is going to mistake him for woodson or Shields. I can't imagine he's costing us a lot
 

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This was not unexpected. Hopefully he provides good depth instead the need to start. I have always seen him pretty much as a back-up vs a starter.

Hope we can pick up a quality/stud of a CB in the draft.
 

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I think it helps us not trot a rookie out onto the field much this year. It also takes more pressure off using our first rounder on a CB. Still wouldn't be against it, but edge rusher and WR may be drafted now too.
 

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Well the anti TV crowd has to love this. The Gute keeps signing FAs. Course they are mostly old guys TT drafted.
 

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Coming off a brutal injury and wasn't looking hot before it.

Huge swing and a miss from TT on that one, in my opinion.
I think the odds of him making it on the team are small. Achilles tears aren't an easy come back. But he played well his rookie season. According to fans, according to the team, and according to most 3rd party sites like PFF, Rollins looked to be heading towards good things. Then injuries the next year, groin surgery and then the torn achilles before he even got started again. I would say injuries have kept him back more than anything. he hasn't played a healthy down since his rookie season practically when people had things like this to say about him,
Key stat: Rollins posted a 58.4 passer rating allowed last season, fourth-best in the NFL.

Not many teams could lose their best cornerback and still boast a top-10 trio of CBs in the NFL. Such is the Packers’ outstanding turnover of cornerback talent that they should be able to sustain the loss of Casey Hayward to the Chargers and not miss a beat.

The outcome wasn't great, but I don't think taking injury plagued season and one where an entire season was lost to injury before a single snap of the regular season and calling it a swing and a miss is really accurate.
 

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I think the odds of him making it on the team are small. Achilles tears aren't an easy come back. But he played well his rookie season. According to fans, according to the team, and according to most 3rd party sites like PFF, Rollins looked to be heading towards good things. Then injuries the next year, groin surgery and then the torn achilles before he even got started again. I would say injuries have kept him back more than anything. he hasn't played a healthy down since his rookie season practically when people had things like this to say about him,

The outcome wasn't great, but I don't think taking injury plagued season and one where an entire season was lost to injury before a single snap of the regular season and calling it a swing and a miss is really accurate.
Reminds me of Casey Hayward, and his hamstring injury that Basicly cost him two plus years...
 

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Saw this coming a mile away. Definitely makes sense considering the state of the position at the moment. House is another Vet body, that has to be viewed as an upgrade over quite a few guys currently on the roster as CB's.
Yeah, I'm happy with it. If nothing else, adds some depth at a position that always seems to be unhealthy.
 
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