The Jordan Love Era Begins

[AKCheese]

Meh would we be any better off with Rodgers? IMO - nope. And we’d have to suffer his prima donna BS. I’ll A) enjoy not having Rodgers B) having some draft picks and cap space and C watch how things play out the next year and a half.

 

[lambeaulambo]

There appears to be a lack of understanding this offense and 3 years of prep. I would start giving Clifford snaps w 1st offense starting this week. Loves play has been unacceptable.

 

[longtimefan]

What was the record last year?

What players were diff on offense compared to this year.

Rodgers hid issues, but he was also was one the best ever. He also threw an int to end the season

This is more than just Love

 

[longtimefan]

There appears to be a lack of understanding this offense and 3 years of prep. I would start giving Clifford snaps w 1st offense starting this week. Loves play has been unacceptable.

Lmao

How can a poster say he doesn't understand? You can't

He isnt going to get any snaps unless Love is hurt or there is a blow out

When will people understand this?

 

[Firethorn1001]

This is more than just Love

One issue is that our GM is too attached to RAS. Get some guys that really know how to play. Draft a center to play center, draft a TE to play TE. Don't draft just because they can run around cones really fast and you hope they grow into a football player in 4 years when they figure it out.

And Love is going to be the guy the rest of the year and probably next. I see no major moves until 2025 anywhere.

 

[longtimefan]

One issue is that our GM is too attached to RAS. Get some guys that really know how to play. Draft a center to play center, draft a TE to play TE. Don't draft just because they can run around cones really fast and you hope they grow into a football player in 4 years when they figure it out.

And Love is going to be the guy the rest of the year and probably next. I see no major moves until 2025 anywhere.

Major moves in coaching staff I expect

Players. Eh

 

[Firethorn1001]

Major moves in coaching staff I expect

Right now I'd be mildly surprised if they move on from MLF. Years of the Packers sticking with a situation they shouldn't has taught me that. They completely flame out at 2-15, 3-14 then maybe.

I think the entire organization is tied to the 'We are young and learning' line for the next 2 years.

 

[milani]

Meh would we be any better off with Rodgers? IMO - nope. And we’d have to suffer his prima donna BS. I’ll A) enjoy not having Rodgers B) having some draft picks and cap space and C watch how things play out the next year and a half.

Rodgers would be sacked more and probably be hurt. Would not throw as many INTs but his receivers would not be open any more than now. What he may do better is changing plays at the line and going through progressions knowing where each receiver should be. But 15 years starting compared to 1 year starting makes a little difference.

 

[Krabs]

The title of this thread is "The Jordan Love Era Begins". I think it needs to end and the quicker the better. One can make all the excuses they want. He is not good at being a QB in the NFL. I know we are stuck with him this season, but hopefully it comes to a close soon. I foresee the Packers having a 3-5 top pick next draft. I really hope they see this guy doesn't have it and they take a big time college QB to compete with him in 2024.

Here's a little write up about it too if anyone is interested.

Packers QB Jordan Love is regressing into his worst-case scenario

If the Packers' front office and coaching staff don't know what Love is by season's end, then they know what he isn’t: a long-term starter. And heading into 2024 hoping for a revelation would be malpractice.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Magooch]

I guess where I’m at is that I don’t think it’s totally time to throw in the towel on Love yet (not a lot of benefit to that right now unless you think Clifford can be your guy) but IMO there are very few reasons to be optimistic at this point (and getting fewer).

Going into this game Love was quite literally the least accurate passer in the whole league. He throws more “uncatchable” passes than anyone else in the league. His completion percentage above expected is dead last. I believe he has thrown the second most interceptions.

And I am sure we will hear the usual excuses.

“He is young, give him time”

“Rodgers/Favre/etc didn’t light it up their first year!”

“He hasn’t had Jones”

“His WRs are young”

“The OL is banged up”

And so on.

But more and more I just don’t think these hold a ton of water. It’s not like these are new issues; Love had huge question marks regarding his accuracy coming out of college and it appears that’s still an issue. It’d be one thing if he’d shown himself to previously have been an accurate passer and now wasn’t. If that was the case I’d be more inclined to put some more blame on the OL, the WRs, etc. but that’s not been the case.

And at the end of the day it feels like many of Love’s issues are just “fundamental” ones that aren’t going to radically change based on the personnel around him. I don’t think a healthier OL or more experienced WRs make him make smarter decisions or not throw the ball into double- or triple-coverage or throw a league-leading amount of uncatchable passes. It’s one thing to put a throw where a veteran or elite WR might catch it and a rookie or “average” one might not; it’s another thing to be consistently making passes that NO ONE could hope to catch. And yeah, Rodgers and Favre weren’t MVPs their first years, Peyton threw a bunch of picks, but I also don’t know that any of them were ever the least accurate QBs in the league a third of the way through the season.

Some improvement is not out of the question of course but I don’t think there are very many examples of a player who’s less accurate than every other starting QB becoming the type of player you build your franchise around (and if they do exist they are certainly the exception rather than the rule)

 

[tynimiller]

If Love was as insanely bad as some of his numbers suggest, it doesn't explain why in the 3rd quarter he is one of the best in the NFL still and yesterday that happened again. It's baffling and honestly by seasons' end I hope some consistency begins to happen - whether that is to confirm there is something there or there isn't.

Right now I'm half tempted to start Clifford but play Love in the second half LOL....he and MLF are the tales of two halfs this year it seems.

 

[Krabs]

I guess where I’m at is that I don’t think it’s totally time to throw in the towel on Love yet (not a lot of benefit to that right now unless you think Clifford can be your guy) but IMO there are very few reasons to be optimistic at this point (and getting fewer).

I don't think we have any other option but to give Love more time. As I've stated, I'm more than ready to move on and see what Clifford has. I understand not doing that as a coaching staff and giving him more time. I'm just a frustrated fan that is not at practice. The coaches will continue to trot him out there. I've never been one to cheer for losses or be in favor of tanking. It seems they are going to do it on their own by just being bad.

Going into this game Love was quite literally the least accurate passer in the whole league. He throws more “uncatchable” passes than anyone else in the league. His completion percentage above expected is dead last. I believe he has thrown the second most interceptions.

And I am sure we will hear the usual excuses.

“He is young, give him time”

“Rodgers/Favre/etc didn’t light it up their first year!”

“He hasn’t had Jones”

“His WRs are young”

“The OL is banged up”

And so on.

But more and more I just don’t think these hold a ton of water. It’s not like these are new issues; Love had huge question marks regarding his accuracy coming out of college and it appears that’s still an issue. It’d be one thing if he’d shown himself to previously have been an accurate passer and now wasn’t. If that was the case I’d be more inclined to put some more blame on the OL, the WRs, etc. but that’s not been the case.

And at the end of the day it feels like many of Love’s issues are just “fundamental” ones that aren’t going to radically change based on the personnel around him. I don’t think a healthier OL or more experienced WRs make him make smarter decisions or not throw the ball into double- or triple-coverage or throw a league-leading amount of uncatchable passes. It’s one thing to put a throw where a veteran or elite WR might catch it and a rookie or “average” one might not; it’s another thing to be consistently making passes that NO ONE could hope to catch. And yeah, Rodgers and Favre weren’t MVPs their first years, Peyton threw a bunch of picks, but I also don’t know that any of them were ever the least accurate QBs in the league a third of the way through the season.

Some improvement is not out of the question of course but I don’t think there are very many examples of a player who’s less accurate than every other starting QB becoming the type of player you build your franchise around (and if they do exist they are certainly the exception rather than the rule)

I really couldn't have said this better myself. I'm not seeing anything that would lead me to believe that Love is our guy. Good leaders elevate the play around them. He's certainly not doing that. I mean, he's just not played well. They will give him more time because they basically have to. They're all in on him this season. My hope is they see that this guy doesn't have it and draft one of the top dogs coming out of college.

 

[Schultz]

Games won so far this season:

Love: 2
Rodgers: 0

So very true. You hit the nail on the head. Though the more I watch there is a small part of me that wishes GB had 0 wins. Then there is the other side of the coin.
Games lost so far this season:
Love-4
Rodgers-0
Thanks Spanky.

 

[ClutchLove]

I still save give Jordan ~10 games and we will have a better picture for sure

I think 2 of the main negatives,
1) Young WR and TE group
2) Bad OL play due to Bahktiari and Jenkins injuries

are VERY, VERY valid

I mean I just don't see how you can't give Jordan the benefit of the doubt here.... He doesn't have a Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, etc. type of guy to throw to.

Besides Doubs, these are all essentially 1st year players - Watkins is always an injury concern

 

[Spanky]

So very true. You hit the nail on the head. Though the more I watch there is a small part of me that wishes GB had 0 wins. Then there is the other side of the coin.
Games lost so far this season:
Love-4
Rodgers-1

What game did Rodgers lose? The Jets won the one game he played in.

 

[Schultz]

What game did Rodgers lose? The Jets won the one game he played in.

Edited. Thanks Spanky.

 

[Pkrjones]

If Love was as insanely bad as some of his numbers suggest, it doesn't explain why in the 3rd quarter he is one of the best in the NFL still and yesterday that happened again. It's baffling and honestly by seasons' end I hope some consistency begins to happen - whether that is to confirm there is something there or there isn't.

Right now I'm half tempted to start Clifford but play Love in the second half LOL....he and MLF are the tales of two halfs this year it seems.

You may be onto something... Love is a slow starter, plays well in the 3rd quarter, & flames out at the end of games. Start Clifford, insert Love mid-2nd quarter, re-insert Clifford in the 4th.

 

[rmontro]

You may be onto something... Love is a slow starter, plays well in the 3rd quarter, & flames out at the end of games. Start Clifford, insert Love mid-2nd quarter, re-insert Clifford in the 4th.

By jove, you've got it!

 

[Firethorn1001]

One thing you definitely can say about Love is he has been pretty even from an emotional standpoint both during the game and after. Any issues with calls or routes, he isn't showing it publicly

 

[Half Empty]

One thing you definitely can say about Love is he has been pretty even from an emotional standpoint both during the game and after. Any issues with calls or routes, he isn't showing it publicly

I usually see him with the helmet on, so I can't tell if he's pretty.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but Love looked pretty good in the KC game and Philadelphia game. Why does he seem to all of a sudden look like he doesn't know which way is up?

 

[gopkrs]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but Love looked pretty good in the KC game and Philadelphia game. Why does he seem to all of a sudden look like he doesn't know which way is up?

It's a good question. I think part of it is Love is feeling pressured before the ball is even hiked. And so he probably is not going through his progressions like he should and/or waiting for one guy to finally separate which takes too much time. He may not be feeling confident enough to throw to someone who was not really the main target on the play. Hard to know.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but Love looked pretty good in the KC game and Philadelphia game. Why does he seem to all of a sudden look like he doesn't know which way is up?

Nobody had any film to study on him like they do now.

 

[tynimiller]

Nobody had any film to study on him like they do now.

The bigger factor is, when MLF loosens up the playcalling and lets Love sling it more, which has happened time and time again in the third quarters and fourth quarters this year it is when statistically we as a team and Love as a QB is one of top in the league. Now is that all MLF...definitely not, I think there is extreme merit to the concept of Love is pressing early and/or takes to long to settle in. Of course there is other stuff but BOTH those items need to get better IMO.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Gute has set up both MLF and Love to fail by treating the defense as VIP during the draft and the offense like under-seat storage (I hope because he recognized that Barry needed all the help he could get) and now, with a first time starting QB, there aren't any experienced players in the receiver or TE room to help the young guys develop or help Love on the field. Gute has allowed this offense to fall apart over the years and multiple MVP seasons from Rodgers hid the cracks but now, when Love needs help to figure things out, he has none. MLF is a good offensive coach (his choices at DC continue to be horrendous) but no offensive coach is taking this group of players and building an effective offense.

Love is starting his first season, the top two receivers are second years guys (3rd on the depth chart is a rookie), Jones has been healthy for ONE game and so Dillon is the starting RB, and his starting TE is a rookie! What did fans expect from this mess of an offense?