The Jordan Love Era Begins

Will Jordan Love be 3 in a row for the Packers?

  • Yes, he's a FHOF Player

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • He'll be pro bowl good but not FHOF good

    Votes: 20 27.8%
  • He'll be average

    Votes: 12 16.7%
  • No, he'll be a below average bust

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Too early to Tell

    Votes: 32 44.4%

  • Total voters
    72
  • Poll closed .

tynimiller

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Joe burrow, jalen hurts, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert. That's his draft class.

2nd to last in completion % and 1st in uncatchable passes.

Hes had 3 years to develop. He's not the guy.

Learn average depth of target and also the uncatchable ball stat has been disproven already as being crazy inflated.

Burrow is doing no better than Love right now.

Zero way to know just four games in to his starting time if he is the guy or not - be ignorant to claim either way.

He is a typical first year QB with struggles…but is also quite atypical on third and fourths down doing very well and above average.

Time will tell.
 

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That is the way I feel about the L0ins game. I'm more disgruntled (love that word) with the Falcons loss than I am with the complete and utter obliteration at the hands of the L0ins, for the sole reason that Pack SHOULD have beat the Falcons - not so much the L0ins.

While nobody can really say what would have happened if the left side of our o-line were healthy and playing; if Alexander were healthy and playing and our "All Pro" ILB were healthy and playing - and yes, injuries ARE a reason, not an "excuse", my eye test says the Pack were boat raced by a vastly superior team... in all facets. As MLF admitted, our ***e$ were kicked, including his ... again ... and, THEIR'S is a young team as well.

I'm sure the Pack can compete against other middling destined teams, but fixing the offensive line and the defensive line shortcomings do not look promising - after 4 games. You get a porous o-line in front of a new starting QB and you're going to see a scared rabbit abandoning technique to run for his life, leave his feet to toss rocket-ball-incompletions ... and who can blame him. My gawd, it was painful to watch what a good team can do to these guys. Be thankful it was the L0ins and not the 9'ers.
And run for his life you bet. Had Rodgers been our QB he would have gone down for the count in the first half and not from a face mask.
 

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Who here after 6 real "women/men experiences" can say they were great and didn't make a mistake?

You had all videos and books to help. All the self practices..

not just the dirty deed but alllllll that goes with dating and relationships.

All the advice from friends..

Think about that for a minute and let it really sink in...

Expect perfection after only 6 "encounters" but I'm.sure you failed differently in each one
 

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Who here after 6 real "women/men experiences" can say they were great and didn't make a mistake?

You had all videos and books to help. All the self practices..

not just the dirty deed but alllllll that goes with dating and relationships.

All the advice from friends..

Think about that for a minute and let it really sink in...

Expect perfection after only 6 "encounters" but I'm.sure you failed differently in each one
Speak for yourself.... amateur! ;)
 
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Brett Favre stats in his first year as the starter (Im gonna use 1992 because he started 13 and played in 15 games)

8-5 record
64.1% completions
3227 yards
18tds 3.8 td %
13 ints 2.8 int%
long of 76
6.9 y/a 10.7 y/c 215.1 y/g
85.3 passer rating
34 sacks for 208 yards 6.7 sack%
rushing 47 for 198 4.2 avg 1 td long of 19
1 catch for -7
3 4qc

Aaron Rodgers stats in his first year as the starter, 2008

6-10 record
63.6% completions
4038 yards
28 tds 5.2 td%
13 ints 2.4 int%
long of 71
7.5 y/a 11.8 y/c 252.4 y/g
93.8 passer rating 62.9 qbr
34 sacks for 231 yards 6 sack %
rushing 56 for 207 3.69 avg 4 tds long of 21
1 4qc

Jordan Love stats 2023

2-3 record
55.6% completions
1083 yards
8 tds 4.9 td%
6 ints 3.7 int%
long of 77
6.7 y/a 12 y/c 216.6 y/g
77.3 passer rating 42.2 qbr
10 sacks for 83 yards 5.8 sack%
rushing for 109 yards 6.05 avg 2 tds long of 26
1 4qc

Coulda sworn Love had one catch but its not showing on the stat site im using. ?

If Love can finish the season, somewhere in between Favre and Rodgers Id say that would be a very encouraging sign.
 

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Joe burrow, jalen hurts, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert. That's his draft class.

2nd to last in completion % and 1st in uncatchable passes.

Hes had 3 years to develop. He's not the guy.

It's not Love's fault our GM has given him mediocrity - sorry "potentially" - good players. Every single one of those QBs you named is surrounded by much better players on offense.
 

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It's not Love's fault our GM has given him mediocrity - sorry "potentially" - good players. Every single one of those QBs you named is surrounded by much better players on offense.
Those QBs did not sit on the bench for 3 years. None of them. If they had how good would their numbers be after their first 5 games?
 

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Those QBs did not sit on the bench for 3 years. None of them. If they had how good would their numbers be after their first 5 games?
Why does that matter? Love has had 3 years to learn the offense under MLF. His stats this season shouldn't be compared to rookies who started year 1. That's ridiculous. We need to quit making excuses for Love. He's been below average to bad so far, along with everybody else on offense. Which is the bigger issue at hand
 

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Why does that matter? Love has had 3 years to learn the offense under MLF. His stats this season shouldn't be compared to rookies who started year 1. That's ridiculous. We need to quit making excuses for Love. He's been below average to bad so far, along with everybody else on offense. Which is the bigger issue at hand
Well. It does matter. Just as if Rodgers started in 2005 or 2006 we would have expected a LOT more than we saw in 2008. Game experience is worth a lot more to the individual than being a clipboard carrier. If Brett Favre had not got to play in 1992 for Majik where would he have been in 1994 or 1995. Would he have taken us to the playoffs or the NFC Championship? I doubt it. In fact Holmgren would have doubted it.
 

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Well. It does matter. Just as if Rodgers started in 2005 or 2006 we would have expected a LOT more than we saw in 2008. Game experience is worth a lot more to the individual than being a clipboard carrier. If Brett Favre had not got to play in 1992 for Majik where would he have been in 1994 or 1995. Would he have taken us to the playoffs or the NFC Championship? I doubt it. In fact Holmgren would have doubted it.
Rodgers finished the season as a top 5 QB in 2008. He showed so much that we extended him in October of that season. We also had a much better offense around Rodgers than we do Love. What are you talking about?
 

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I think people have to step back and look at the current Packers team holistically compared to 2008...

Jordan has not played well the last 2 games, however... a VERY young WR and TE group with drops and frankly NOT a good Offensive line with BAhktiari and Jenkins out

Compared to 2008, we had Driver and Jennings - already very good, proven WRs. A very good OL with Clifton, Tauscher, Wells, etc.....

Kind of a different scenario basically lol
 

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Rodgers finished the season as a top 5 QB in 2008. He showed so much that we extended him in October of that season. We also had a much better offense around Rodgers than we do Love. What are you talking about?
6-10.
 

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This argument really is stupid

rodgers was a starter on a team that was at the nfccg the prior year

love is on a team that didn’t make playoffs and has multiple injuries to key off players
 

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I think people have to step back and look at the current Packers team holistically compared to 2008...

Jordan has not played well the last 2 games, however... a VERY young WR and TE group with drops and frankly NOT a good Offensive line with BAhktiari and Jenkins out

Compared to 2008, we had Driver and Jennings - already very good, proven WRs. A very good OL with Clifton, Tauscher, Wells, etc.....

Kind of a different scenario basically lol
That doesn’t matter

nfccg in Jan of 2008

then rodgers took over April 2008

Love took over a non playoff team with multiple key offensive players out

he should be 5 -0 and mvp
 
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It's not Love's fault our GM has given him mediocrity - sorry "potentially" - good players. Every single one of those QBs you named is surrounded by much better players on offense.
That’s what I’ve been trying to say. We’re acting like us having a far less experienced Offense with 3 Key players missing is ok. It takes a minute and more like an hour when you have (by far) the youngest Offense leaguewide, then lose 3 of your oldest or most experienced veterans for a stretch of games.

You go back to these QB comps and take out the 3 most experienced and the 2 highest paid players on each Offense and then pull a few Offensive Veterans and replace them with Rookies. Namely at TE and WR.
Does anyone in here seriously think those comps would’ve performed the same? Then it’s not a Comp

By the way these are not excuses. But when we go pricing our home for sale and argue our home should be priced the same as others, but the only thing that is similar is the homes are in the same zip code and each have a newer Roof and HVAC System, Kinda makes me think we’ve never heard of comps. You have to find ones that are similar age, sq footage, similar Bed/Baths, made with similar materials etc.
I know we want our home to be worth more but “wanting it to be a comp” doesn’t “make it a comp”.

These terrible comps remind me of these nursery rhymes

If it’s and but’s were candy and nuts we’d all have a good Christmas.
If IF’s and And’s were pots n pans..
you get the drift..
 
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Folks ignoring the roster around Love is laughable at best and illustrates what I think is one of the biggest issues in fanbases (this is a general statement not anyone specific here in the forum) and that is folks literally can only read stat lines and some it is literally only one or two statlines....or shoot step further some cannot even do that just whether we win or not makes a player good or progressing.

Fact is it is VERY rare, like unicorn rare, that a rookie or first year starting QB just slides into a bad record team and young roster and turns things around. Even more rare when you tell me you're going to remove deplete the team of nearly every offensive veteran - first ballot HOF, All Pro LT, the leading receiver, the leading TE receiver, best blocking and starting TE, Cobb in the slot.....

Anyone that thinks Love should just be cake walking to a better season is naive to a degree I've not seen in a while. Comparisons to Rodgers and Favre are what they are, and truthfully with this offensive team I'm not shocked one bit and think it actually encourages me about Love - especially if you use last year's Rodgers as your measurement not the young phenom Rodgers.
 

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I'm not huge on the comparisons between Favre and Rodgers. I understand why it is done though. It makes sense to a degree. Different times and different players though. I've made it known that I am not a believer in Love. His performance against a pathetic Raiders squad was disheartening for me to watch. I'm not naming any stats. I'm just saying that he failed the old eyeball test. What I will say that I agree with is that he is almost set up to fail with having the youngest roster in the league. As mentioned by others, it doesn't help matters that Jones has been hurt all season and others have been in and out of the lineup. It's hard to get any cohesiveness with all the movement of players. There's a lot that needs to get right beyond just Love. Regardless of what happens, he's our guy and will have an extremely long leash. Personally, I think the coaches need to do a better job of setting these guys up for success. For example, Dillon basically scored on a drive by himself. Just pounded the rock and scored a TD. Not sure why they started going away from that. Get some more play action off of that and make some simple crossing patterns and outs for easier completions. I feel they are trying to get a little too fancy with some of the screens and flee flickers. Let's stop wasting those downs. Again, I'm not thrilled with what I've seen from Love, but he's our guy for 2023. GPG!
 

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Based on the fact we went into this season with a roster stripped of extended experience, too many injuries to key personnel, and a lot of questions as to who would be able to play certain positions at level 2. Then there's the Watson injury. Add in the fact that there was no money in the pot, to find better offensive linemen who could be pressed into service. You don't get the best when you're paying near minimum wage, and when you don't have money to even tap that market in most cases.

Fortunately, our punting and kicking games are in good hands, or should I say "feet?" That's the only bright spot in our special teams. Outside of those two guys, I've kind of called that unit "The not so special teams."

Strangely enough, despite all the continuing chatter about getting rid of Joe Barry, the defense has been one of the better parts of our game, although not really great.

I said, long before the season started, that I believed this would be a 7-10 season. I'm going to be fairly close, if they keep playing to win. But, there's also a chance that they're going to unintentionally ending up tanking the majority of games, and end up with less wins. It all depends on what they do to keep their moral up, and that's on the coaches.
 

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Truth be told, Rodgers last year on the team won 8.....this year even if we still had Rodgers you have:

- Lost Lazard (leading 2022 receiver)
- Lost Tonyan (leading TE receiver)
- Lost Cobb (when healthy solid vet slot)
- Lost Lewis (best blocking TE in game)

- Bakh lost (one game played only and done)
- Jones has played 1 1/2 games essentially
- Watson has played in only two games

You give Rodgers that and I firmly don't see him having us any better than 3-2 at best and probably a whole bunch of meltdowns and throw aways followed by screaming.

Growth years suck at times folks, just part of it. I had some glimmer of hope but with Bakh and Jones and Watson not healthy I just don't see it happening.
 

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I think people have to step back and look at the current Packers team holistically compared to 2008...

Jordan has not played well the last 2 games, however... a VERY young WR and TE group with drops and frankly NOT a good Offensive line with BAhktiari and Jenkins out

Compared to 2008, we had Driver and Jennings - already very good, proven WRs. A very good OL with Clifton, Tauscher, Wells, etc.....

Kind of a different scenario basically lol
Difference being Ted set up Rodgers for success while Gute has done jack squat for Love.
 

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Difference being Ted set up Rodgers for success while Gute has done jack squat for Love.
Gute's hands are tied in '23 with $60.35mil dead money. Not much room to add vet talent so loaded up offense with young talent. Need to hope & pray OL can keep it together, and that WR's & TE's can grow quickly. Defense needs to carry GB, which we can all agree is a tall task with Barry at the helm.
 

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