The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Pokerbrat2000]

Preferably? Caleb Williams...but Caleb Williams with one more Super Bowl win is better than where the team is right now. Also, Pittman and Higgins were players that MANY people specifically said the Packers could (should) have drafted so this isn't some random hypothetical.

Gute gets paid a LOT of money, he doesn't need fans defending him from history, he's a big boy and legitimate criticism is allowed even for employees of the team you root for.

Gute drafted ZERO WR's in the 2020 draft, so arguing that Pittman or Higgins would have been the pick (not should have) doesn't hold a lot of weight IMO.

Gute should absolutely be judged by history, more than he should be judged by the unknown future. Which is what people did immediately following the Love pick. If you want to go back to all of Gute's drafts and say what he should have done, that is kind of a useless and unfair critic, because you are armed with knowledge he did not have in 2020.

If nothing else, the people that didn't like the Love pick, should at least now be acknowledging that the timing and cost of the pick, may just work out as intended. You and others keep ducking my question, had Love not been drafted, where are we now? Please don't say Aaron Rodgers is our QB, because he isn't. Just stick to the facts as we know them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Agreed. I think this was a very reasonable compromise. GB doesn’t get stuck with a $20.3M contract IF Jordan just looks like mud. However Jordan gets kicked a few extra Million for the lower % guaranteed (compared to his 5th year)

Not to kick a dead horse again, but one of the big reasons I wanted Love to play the last 5 games of 2022, was exactly this, knowing more about him.

 

[pacmaniac]

Who knows if the Packers would have beaten the Bucs if they drafted Tee Higgins instead of Love. Maybe Higgins wouldn't have had such a productive rookie season if he was with the Packers, because as most people here like to say, "Rodgers doesn't trust rookie receivers". Also, even if he did have Rodgers' trust, maybe he still wouldn't have thrown to him for a TD, kinda like how he didn't throw to a wide open Lazard for a TD in that game.

 

[OldSchool101]

Who knows if the Packers would have beaten the Bucs if they drafted Tee Higgins instead of Love. Maybe Higgins wouldn't have had such a productive rookie season if he was with the Packers, because as most people here like to say, "Rodgers doesn't trust rookie receivers". Also, even if he did have Rodgers' trust, maybe he still wouldn't have thrown to him for a TD, kinda like how he didn't throw to a wide open Lazard for a TD in that game.

It’s a bit of a stretch saying 1 Rookie WR (even had we went that route) automatically beats the Bucs. I just think the Bucs were playing really good ball. There’s as good a chance Tee Higgins gets minimal production as the chance he would have game altering production. The Bucs were playing very good Defense that day and during the SB also.
We have to remember that we needed 8 points just to tie. Now someone’s going to tell me Tee gets us that TD, the 2 point abs a Go ahead score FG or whatever? I don’t think so. Had The game went on there’s a realistic chance the Bucs score.. again

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Who knows if the Packers would have beaten the Bucs if they drafted Tee Higgins instead of Love. Maybe Higgins wouldn't have had such a productive rookie season if he was with the Packers, because as most people here like to say, "Rodgers doesn't trust rookie receivers". Also, even if he did have Rodgers' trust, maybe he still wouldn't have thrown to him for a TD, kinda like how he didn't throw to a wide open Lazard for a TD in that game.

Yup, lots of unknowns. You can't just assume a player is going to have an identical season with Team A as he would have had with Team B. Injuries and all other things can change that. People need to remember that this isn't Madden Football.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It’s a bit of a stretch saying 1 Rookie WR (even had we went that route) automatically beats the Bucs. I just think the Bucs were playing really good ball. There’s as good a chance Tee Higgins gets minimal production as the chance he would have game altering production. The Bucs were playing very good Defense that day and during the SB also.

Still going to be hard to convince me that Gute would have selected a WR, with the first round or even second round pick in 2020. He took ZERO WR's in that draft.

 

[mradtke66]

Gute should absolutely be judged by history, more than he should be judged by the unknown future. Which is what people did immediately following the Love pick. If you want to go back to all of Gute's drafts and say what he should have done, that is kind of a useless and unfair critic, because you are armed with knowledge he did not have in 2020.

I'm not arguing hindsight, just that for 2020/21, the Love pick didn't help us and that any other pick would have helped more in those years. Hell, a punter or kicker, so long as they played, would have given more value those two years. What can I say, I love try an make a point with humor involved.

If nothing else, the people that didn't like the Love pick, should at least now be acknowledging that the timing and cost of the pick, may just work out as intended. You and others keep ducking my question, had Love not been drafted, where are we now? Please don't say Aaron Rodgers is our QB, because he isn't. Just stick to the facts as we know them.

That's a bit disingenuous. Part of the desire or willingness to move on from Rodgers was having, at worst, his potential replacement on the roster.

In the world where we didn't draft Love, the cascading changes are numerous. For example, had Gute rated Jefferson high enough to trade both his 1 and 2 to get him AND another team is willing to make that trade ahead of Vikings, we obviously don't have Love or Dillon (that's the right draft, right?) and keep our 4th. And that's just the easy changes.

Hell, if we didn't trade our 4th to get Love, things start to cascade from that.

 

[OldSchool101]

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Still going to be hard to convince me that Gute would have selected a WR, with the first round or even second round pick in 2020. He took ZERO WR's in that draft.

oh I know. I’m just playing the “IF this Then that” hypothetical doubter program. It keeps getting caught in an infinite loop.

 

[Mondio]

Considering Gute is on record saying he tried trading up a couple times to get the ones he wanted in the 1st and 2nd it's not too much of a stretch to think he would have.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not arguing hindsight, just that for 2020/21, the Love pick didn't help us and that any other pick would have helped more in those years. Hell, a punter or kicker, so long as they played, would have given more value those two years. What can I say, I love try an make a point with humor involved.



That's a bit disingenuous. Part of the desire or willingness to move on from Rodgers was having, at worst, his potential replacement on the roster.

In the world where we didn't draft Love, the cascading changes are numerous. For example, had Gute rated Jefferson high enough to trade both his 1 and 2 to get him AND another team is willing to make that trade ahead of Vikings, we obviously don't have Love or Dillon (that's the right draft, right?) and keep our 4th. And that's just the easy changes.

Hell, if we didn't trade our 4th to get Love, things start to cascade from that.

Yes, it is called the Butterfly effect. Things can cascade in any direction, based on one decision/action. I can acknowledge both sides of the argument as being possibilities, with different outcomes, but there is no absolute in either direction you change. "Love isn't selected, Rodgers suffers a torn ACL in practice, because he did something different without Love there." Extreme? Yes, possible? Yes.

 

[OldSchool101]

It’s all good.
Do you or don’t you guys think we should or should not use “NY Bozo” from our playbook?
Would that be deemed disrespectful?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It’s all good.
Do you or don’t you guys think we should or should not use “NY Bozo” from our playbook?
Would that be deemed disrespectful?

Only if you are OK with Rodgers using "Pack it up Packers", as one of his new calls.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Gute drafted ZERO WR's in the 2020 draft, so arguing that Pittman or Higgins would have been the pick (not should have) doesn't hold a lot of weight IMO.

Gute should absolutely be judged by history, more than he should be judged by the unknown future. Which is what people did immediately following the Love pick. If you want to go back to all of Gute's drafts and say what he should have done, that is kind of a useless and unfair critic, because you are armed with knowledge he did not have in 2020.

If nothing else, the people that didn't like the Love pick, should at least now be acknowledging that the timing and cost of the pick, may just work out as intended. You and others keep ducking my question, had Love not been drafted, where are we now? Please don't say Aaron Rodgers is our QB, because he isn't. Just stick to the facts as we know them.

"Had Love not been drafted" then, like MANY expected, the Packers draft Pittman/Higgins and have at least on more Super Bowl title to their name and are now looking like a bad team in the running for one of the top QBs in next year's draft. I haven't ducked that, I've been very upfront about that.

Acting like Higgins/Pittman would have been some kind of shocking pick instead of Love is an interesting theory, they were the two very next receivers picked in the draft (7 and 8 picks after Love's selection). Anyway, it's all history, here's to hoping Love is worth all the fan forum drama and becomes a first ballot HOFer.

 

[OldSchool101]

Only if you are OK with Rodgers using "Pack it up Packers", as one of his new calls.

I suppose.
Plus, if Jordan struggles Aaron could holler you gotta “Whole Lotta Love”

Second thought let’s scratch Bozo

 

[PikeBadger]

"Had Love not been drafted" then, like MANY expected, the Packers draft Pittman/Higgins and have at least on more Super Bowl title to their name and are now looking like a bad team in the running for one of the top QBs in next year's draft. I haven't ducked that, I've been very upfront about that.

Acting like Higgins/Pittman would have been some kind of shocking pick instead of Love is an interesting theory, they were the two very next receivers picked in the draft (7 and 8 picks after Love's selection). Anyway, it's all history, here's to hoping Love is worth all the fan forum drama and becomes a first ballot HOFer.

Monumental Leap thinking we automatically would have won a super bowl with one of those two. Completely bogus supposition.

 

[PikeBadger]

It’s all good.
Do you or don’t you guys think we should or should not use “NY Bozo” from our playbook?
Would that be deemed disrespectful?

Yes

 

[PikeBadger]

I'm not arguing hindsight, just that for 2020/21, the Love pick didn't help us and that any other pick would have helped more in those years. Hell, a punter or kicker, so long as they played, would have given more value those two years. What can I say, I love try an make a point with humor involved.



That's a bit disingenuous. Part of the desire or willingness to move on from Rodgers was having, at worst, his potential replacement on the roster.

In the world where we didn't draft Love, the cascading changes are numerous. For example, had Gute rated Jefferson high enough to trade both his 1 and 2 to get him AND another team is willing to make that trade ahead of Vikings, we obviously don't have Love or Dillon (that's the right draft, right?) and keep our 4th. And that's just the easy changes.

Hell, if we didn't trade our 4th to get Love, things start to cascade from that.

Any other pick could just as easily hurt us as help us in the 2020 season. Over exposure of rookies can wreck a team's win loss record. They make too many "rookie mistakes " and your opponents know it and go out of their way to abuse them.

 

[rmontro]

Gutey doesn't sound all in on Jordan Love. Asked about guaranteeing Love $20 million on a 5th year option:

"It's a lot of money for a guy who hasn't played, but at the same time, we're moving forward with him."

He's right of course, but it does sound like he's kind of damning him with faint praise.
The Packers sounded much more confident in Rodgers when it was his turn to take over.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Packers sounded much more confident in Rodgers when it was his turn to take over.

Hows that? The Packers didn't commit to a second contract with Rodgers until after 7 games into his final season, there were no 5th year options back then. Only 12 5th year options were picked up this year.

Basically, the Packers saw a lot more of Rodgers in regular season games, than they have of Love. I would say they showed enough confidence in Love with the extension and guaranteed money.

If you are merely referring to words spoken about both QB's, I have seen plenty of positive comments made about Love by The Packers.

 

[thequick12]

I'm quite sure the Packers would have found someone else capable of running the scout team if they didn't draft Love in 2020.

Of course they would of found somebody just as the 2007 Packers would have had Rodgers not been drafted. The point is having a guy like Rodgers isnt like just having some guy run the scout team. Ridgers was challenging the first team defense. I presume Love was too or the Packers dont move on to him

 

[OldSchool101]

Ok I suppose we could really try and imagine no Jordan Love and as far as scout team managers? Brett Hundley he could probably come in and do that. I suppose Danny Etling would be our guy.

Second thought. Those options don’t give me warm and fuzzies for building a Franchise around.
No I don’t think so.
But thanks for playing! You didn’t Win the Trip to the Galapagos Island and $10,000 cash. But please, Go see Helen for your consolation prize.
(The Ol Pat Sajak pat on that back and you are being pushed off of the stage)

 

[milani]

My gut tells me when this season is said and done the Packers will still not be sure what they have in Love and will have to make another tough decision going forward. IMO.

This could very well amount to that since we have seen so little of him in 3 seasons. It may not be a make or break. We hope it is so we can be definitive on his future. Rodgers was not so impressive in 2008 but we believed we could ride with him because of the roster that he had. A lot more than Jordan Love raises question marks on this team. I hope they are answered.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

As has been stated many times, drafting of Love had a huge effect of lighting a fire under Rodgers.

As you stated in another thread, just because you repeat your opinion doesn't make it automatically true. I consider that to be completely bogus.

Come on now. Rodgers first season we went 6-10 and finished 3rd in the North.

Rodgers was not so impressive in 2008 but we believed we could ride with him because of the roster that he had.

The Packers finished fifth in points scored that season though. I definitely don't expect the team to get anywhere close to that this season.

The Love haters don't see that, but they do want to tell you and have you believe, that any other player drafted besides Love, would have drastically improved the Packers, probably would have made them 3 time Lombardi winners even.

There's absolutely no doubt that any other player selected with the 26th pick in the 2020 draft would have improved the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in 2020 or '21. There's no guarantee they would have beaten the Bucs or Niners in the playoffs though.

We drafted Love, Love is the new starting QB, Gutes plan, so far has evolved the way it was intended to. Like I asked yesterday, had Love not been selected in 2020, now what? Waiting to hear someone say that we would have drafted Brock Purdy in the 7th and STILL been SB winners.

Gutekunst's plan should have been to win a Super Bowl with Rodgers as long as he was around. He wasn't able to accomplish that. In addition I'm quite sure the team would have been able to find a backup for the past three seasons if they passed on Love.

I will miss the old Rodgers and his elite skills, but it was time to move on and whether Gute had a crystal ball or good spidey senses, he timed the Love pick perfectly.

With the rookie wage scale in place it's definitely not a perfect timing to have your first round pick sit on the bench for three years.

Gute should absolutely be judged by history, more than he should be judged by the unknown future. Which is what people did immediately following the Love pick. If you want to go back to all of Gute's drafts and say what he should have done, that is kind of a useless and unfair critic, because you are armed with knowledge he did not have in 2020.

Gutekunst should have known at the time of the 2020 draft that Rodgers was able to perform at an MVP level. He's getting paid tons of money to figure out things like that.

Any other pick could just as easily hurt us as help us in the 2020 season. Over exposure of rookies can wreck a team's win loss record. They make too many "rookie mistakes " and your opponents know it and go out of their way to abuse them.

I'm quite confident in saying that a rookie receiver who led his team in receiving yards would have had a more positive impact on the Packers than a third string quarterback who wasn't even active all season long. Once again, it's possible it wouldn't have been good enough to make it to the Super Bowl though.

Of course they would of found somebody just as the 2007 Packers would have had Rodgers not been drafted. The point is having a guy like Rodgers isnt like just having some guy run the scout team. Ridgers was challenging the first team defense. I presume Love was too or the Packers dont move on to him

It's still anybody's guess how Love will perform moving forward as the starter.

Ok I suppose we could really try and imagine no Jordan Love and as far as scout team managers? Brett Hundley he could probably come in and do that. I suppose Danny Etling would be our guy.

Second thought. Those options don’t give me warm and fuzzies for building a Franchise around.

There would have been a time to select Rodgers' successor. The 2020 draft wasn't the right one though.

 

[longtimefan]

Jfc

Still on the Love pick and who would been better

Knock it off

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Monumental Leap thinking we automatically would have won a super bowl with one of those two. Completely bogus supposition.

Packers lost by one score against the Bucs with major injuries across the offense. I don't think it's a massive leap to think that having Adams and any other good receiver option would have lead to one more TD (especially considering Rodgers was picking the Bucs apart like they were the Lions). The massiver (not a word but should be) assumption is that Love will be a top-7 QB in the NFL. I hope he does become that and I get to eat those words but the chances of that happening are fairly slim.