The Jordan Love Era Begins

[PikeBadger]

How did this thread devolve into a technical discussion on Internet Protocol addresses?

My fault.

 

[PikeBadger]

Don't get me wrong, as I have stated repeatedly dislike for the selection of Love has absolutely nothing to do with what I think about him as a player. I was opposed to the Packers selecting a quarterback in the first round that year no matter which of the ones still remaining on the board they ended up drafting.



It's probable that I'm listed as a member being online because I don't log out when I'm finished posting and have the browser window open either on my desktop or mobile phone. The reason I don't post anymore after getting home from work is that I have a 3 1/2 year old toddler to take care of and no offense to anyone but it makes much more fun spending time with her instead of being around the forum all the time just to not annoy any of you quoting several posts at once.

Well we appreciate that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How did this thread devolve into a technical discussion on Internet Protocol addresses?

It's a plot to overthrow the mods.

 

[longtimefan]

It's a plot to overthrow the mods.

Its about time. Can I sign up

 

[OldSchool101]

How did this thread devolve into a technical discussion on Internet Protocol addresses?

Its all part of the Packer Domain
Name
Service
Protocol

Oh and Thanks for being a Dynamic Host

 

[weeds]

How did this thread devolve into a technical discussion on Internet Protocol addresses?

It devolved ... oh, nosireebub, there is nothing more stimulating than a rousing ISP discussion. Why, It's right up there with a well executed high spinal.

 

[rmontro]

How did this thread devolve into a technical discussion on Internet Protocol addresses?

Devolve?..... or evolve?

 

[Spanky]

Gutey doesn't sound all in on Jordan Love. Asked about guaranteeing Love $20 million on a 5th year option:

"It's a lot of money for a guy who hasn't played, but at the same time, we're moving forward with him."

Brian Gutekunst on Jordan Love's fifth-year option: It's a lot of money for a guy who hasn't played - ProFootballTalk

Of the four quarterbacks who were selected in the first round of the 2020 draft, three have already had their fifth-year options picked up by their respective teams.It was a mere formality for the Bengals with Joe Burrow and the Chargers with Justin Herbert, while the Dolphins got way ahead of...

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[Packerbacker1996]

I agree with Gute. How can you pick up 20mil option on a guy that you haven't seen playing.

 

[Mondio]

I'm ok with it. Can't give a kid everything, at some point they have to earn it. His rookie contract was guaranteed, and if he plays well, or shows well he'll get a lot more money, guaranteed. They probably do really like him, I'm not reading too much into this quote other than it's just the plain old truth. He hasn't played at all and it's hard to give a guy all that money when you've already paid him 20M that was guaranteed.

I love my kids too, a lot, they aren't just handed everything. Work for it, show it, and you'll get even more.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I agree with Gute. How can you pick up 20mil option on a guy that you haven't seen playing.

Because Gute tied his career to Love being a QB who was so good that it was worth not helping the team win a Super Bowl in the short run just to have Love on the roster?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I have been saying all along that it wouldn't be smart for the Packers to exercise the option on Love with him being a complete unknown.

Finally something Gutekunst and I agree on.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Because Gute tied his career to Love being a QB who was so good that it was worth not helping the team win a Super Bowl in the short run just to have Love on the roster?

Gute's tendency to absolutely suck in the 3rd round of the draft has way more impact on them not getting to a Super Bowl than a solitary 1st round draft pick.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I always figured it was a no brainer to pick up Love's 5th year option. After listening to both sides of the argument, I'm still on the fence, but kind of leaning towards not picking it up.

Good podcast. Also, some good stuff on UDFA Brenton Cox Jr. and "Jersey Gate". It is interesting that the Packers didn't hand out #2, #31 and #89....is the door open for those 3 players to possibly return?

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[longtimefan]

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[Sunshinepacker]

Gute's tendency to absolutely suck in the 3rd round of the draft has way more impact on them not getting to a Super Bowl than a solitary 1st round draft pick.

Yeah sure! First round picks that contribute nothing to the team (as of yet) are less important than third round picks! (That was sarcasm)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah sure! First round picks that contribute nothing to the team (as of yet) are less important than third round picks! (That was sarcasm)

See I don't get it when people say "he has contributed nothing to the team". Except that they want to use it to try and bolster their argument that Love was a terrible pick. Love has been on the team for 3 seasons, do you know what he does behind the scenes, at practice, in the film room? Can you not acknowledge that he has also been learning how to be a better QB and how that might benefit the team? I guess in the next couple of years, we will see if the pick paid off and all of Love's work was worth it, but to say that he has contributed nothing to the team is kind of lame.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Yeah sure! First round picks that contribute nothing to the team (as of yet) are less important than third round picks! (That was sarcasm)

If it lit a fire under Rodger's butt for 3 years then it was worthwhile.

Of course, I can't prove that any more than you can prove that that 1st rounder in 2020 would have significantly helped the Packers make it to the Super Bowl. If you want to carve 'If only Gute got a WR in the 1st round!' on your tombstone, I'll engrave that I thought the Love pick was ok given the state of the world (COVID) and Rodgers at that moment in time.

As for sarcasm, admirable try I guess.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Packers signed Love for a one-year deal that will pay him up to $22.5 million in 2024, with $13.5 million fully guaranteed. Love sacrifices guaranteed earnings by taking the contract as opposed to the option, assuming Green Bay would have deployed it, but he could enhance his total payout.

I think this was a good decision by both sides. Love gets paid a little extra, if he performs and the Packers are only on the hook for a guaranteed 13.5 if he doesn't. I also assume it will allow the Packers to play with his cap hit.

Total win-win and if need be, the Packers can always slap a franchise tag on him for 2025.

 

[Spanky]

I like the revised contract. It limits GB's damage in 2024 to $13.5 million if Love is terrible. Much better than straight up guaranteeing $20 million. And if he's good, they have him for another year at reasonable starter money.

The Packers were not in an ideal spot with regard to the 5th year option and I think they navigated it as well as possible under the circumstances.

 

[tynimiller]

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Yup, pay increase this year, and since extension I would not be shocked one bit if we see void years which makes additional cap savings on a guy we most likely will either not care about void years and sign long term soon OR will be cutting ties and swallowing the hit regardless as we have a new rookie QB

 

[Sunshinepacker]

See I don't get it when people say "he has contributed nothing to the team". Except that they want to use it to try and bolster their argument that Love was a terrible pick. Love has been on the team for 3 seasons, do you know what he does behind the scenes, at practice, in the film room? Can you not acknowledge that he has also been learning how to be a better QB and how that might benefit the team? I guess in the next couple of years, we will see if the pick paid off and all of Love's work was worth it, but to say that he has contributed nothing to the team is kind of lame.

Yes, I can acknowledge that he's been learning to be better. How did that help last season's team? Or the year before that? I don't understand arguments to the contrary. He will help the team going forward, and I hope he's REALLY good, but that doesn't do anything with regards to the past few seasons.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

If it lit a fire under Rodger's butt for 3 years then it was worthwhile.

Of course, I can't prove that any more than you can prove that that 1st rounder in 2020 would have significantly helped the Packers make it to the Super Bowl. If you want to carve 'If only Gute got a WR in the 1st round!' on your tombstone, I'll engrave that I thought the Love pick was ok given the state of the world (COVID) and Rodgers at that moment in time.

As for sarcasm, admirable try I guess.

"Lit a fire under his butt" Thanks, I think we all needed a good little laugh.

 

[Jayzee1981]

I'm ok with it. Can't give a kid everything, at some point they have to earn it. His rookie contract was guaranteed, and if he plays well, or shows well he'll get a lot more money, guaranteed. They probably do really like him, I'm not reading too much into this quote other than it's just the plain old truth. He hasn't played at all and it's hard to give a guy all that money when you've already paid him 20M that was guaranteed.

I love my kids too, a lot, they aren't just handed everything. Work for it, show it, and you'll get even more.

Can’t really put it any better that that. It’s just the way it is. You earn your reward. Welcome to life lol!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes, I can acknowledge that he's been learning to be better. How did that help last season's team? Or the year before that? I don't understand arguments to the contrary. He will help the team going forward, and I hope he's REALLY good, but that doesn't do anything with regards to the past few seasons.

How did Rodgers help the Packers in his first year? In his second? In his third? The problem some people have is that they think QB's get drafted and immediately make their team a lot better. That doesn't usually work that way in the NFL. If you think another player would have made the Packers a lot better last year, I would totally disagree. Maybe in 2021, but I doubt in that players rookie season, is he a difference maker.

Again, I know you and some people have disliked the Love pick since day 1, yet here he is, taking over the starting job, in the same way Rodgers did. I suppose Gute could have taken a QB in the 2021 draft or 2022 draft or this past draft, but wait, he never would have helped the Packers. Also, if that had happened, we don't have 1 of Walker, Stokes or LVN, nor do we have Love.