The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Sunshinepacker]

NFL teams paid what? Are you taking a cost averaging method and using all 32 teams?

This statement was made:



I would like to see where and how that money was made.

I gave you the best analysis I could which showed that Rodgers was more valuable than his contract. If you disagree, I completely understand, I would just like to see your reasoning.

I did the quick analysis on the value, you can click the link in the post and read it for more information.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I gave you the best analysis I could which showed that Rodgers was more valuable than his contract. If you disagree, I completely understand, I would just like to see your reasoning.

I did the quick analysis on the value, you can click the link in the post and read it for more information.

My reason(s) for not believing it, I stated before. Did the Packers sell more tickets due to Rodgers in 2022? Did the Packers get more TV money due to Rodgers in 2022? I would say "no" to both of those. So the only other sources of direct money made off of Rodgers would be commissions on sales of Rodgers memorabilia that the organization actually gets a cut of.

You saying that "Rodgers was more valuable than his contract". Is said because of what? What "value added" did he give the Packers in 2022, that they would not of received had he been on another team. Again, show me the numbers. I am not arguing that Rodgers "isn't worth paying this or that". I am saying he did not add more to Packer profits than what they paid him, which is what the other poster claimed.

 

[thequick12]

why do I get the feeling he was being sarcastic and trolling people?

Yeah I thought about that too, youre probably right. I only saw the text, probably could tell for sure by listening to the audio.

Also interesting he used "they" to refer to the Packers as if he isn't part of the team

 

[thequick12]

Can I ask you for the source, the one where it shows that the Packers had increased profits of more than $50M due to Rodgers in 2022.

The Packers have had increased profits not only in 2022 but for the past 15 seasons in which Rodgers was qb. In fact, the Packers have earned record profits over Rodgers career. Nobody went to a Packers game because of Mark Murphy or because GB is such a cool place. They went to see something amazing, a FHOF qb.

Hopefully we dont get to see that evidence because Love is numero tres.
But if he's not, it's highly likely that evidence will be front and center

 

[thequick12]

I would like to see where and how that money was made.

Im quite sure, that if you look it up on google you'll be able to find that information...

 

[thequick12]

Which is why I asked. The Packers didn't sell more tickets because Rodgers was their QB in 2022. The TV share that they cut, was not increased because of Rodgers. How many new Rodgers shirts, hats, whatever where sold in 2022 and what was the Packers cut? My gut says most Packer fans already have a Rodgers jersey. I would argue that Love starting, might have sold more new Jerseys.

Anyway, I get tired of "well look at how much money Rodgers has made the Packers." OK....then show me the money!

Mark Murphy burner account?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Wouldn't shock me one bit if Bahk is traded with Rodgers or before the 2023 season starts.

The Packers trading Bakhtiari would result in a total of $38.131 million of dead money counting against their cap either all in 2023 or $19.065 million in each of the next two seasons. Therefore it would be a stupid idea, especially considering they restructured his deal to increase the amount of dead money included in it.

 

[Mondio]

Yeah I thought about that too, youre probably right. I only saw the text, probably could tell for sure by listening to the audio.

Also interesting he used "they" to refer to the Packers as if he isn't part of the team

I think he meant "they" as in the front office. that's my interpretation anyway

 

[Mondio]

The Packers have had increased profits not only in 2022 but for the past 15 seasons in which Rodgers was qb. In fact, the Packers have earned record profits over Rodgers career. Nobody went to a Packers game because of Mark Murphy or because GB is such a cool place. They went to see something amazing, a FHOF qb.

Hopefully we dont get to see that evidence because Love is numero tres.
But if he's not, it's highly likely that evidence will be front and center

Pretty much every game i've been to in the past couple years had almost every visiting jersey wearing person near me state at some point, they were there to see Lambeau field and Aaron Rodgers before he retired. It would be incredibly obtuse to deny the impact he's had on the team's revenue streams over the years, including last. Sure GB doesn't have problems selling tickets, but I'm guessing a few losing seasons and a QB more on par with Brett Hundley and while tickets might be sold out, traveling fans are less, beer sales are less, hotels aren't jacking up prices as much and instead of 78-79K fans in the stands you're probably looking at real numbers of 70K. around 10K people in the city of GB is significant, either added or subtracted from the economy.

Teams know it, it's why they give them these huge contracts.

 

[Don Barclay]

For those who are interested in continuing this argument with some numbers in hand, here's a link that indicates the Pack earned a record revenue in 2022, and that they attribute that to increased and sustained winning: https://www.wbay.com/2022/07/22/green-bay-packers-report-record-revenue-2022/

Myself, I buy that; but also I don't think watching teams move around their salary-capped piles of sand in their uniformly-sized sandboxes is really equivalent to what most of us consider "investment" -- i.e., they didn't put any more resources toward the team as a whole, and there are definitely multiple paths toward sustained winning and success. So personally I don't attribute the successes in revenue to giving Rodgers an extra-big sandcastle compared to his teammates.

Also, I think a lot of revenue comes from Titletown, but I dunno I'm not really that familiar with real estate development and its role here.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Mark Murphy burner account?

Nice deflection. I take it that you have no evidence to backup this "absolute" statement?

Because the Packers absolutely made a lot more than 50 million dollars in profit by having Rodgers on the team last season

Im quite sure, that if you look it up on google you'll be able to find that information...

Ahhh....ok, then your job of proving your statement is going to be easy for you, I'll wait.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think watching teams move around their salary-capped piles of sand in their uniformly-sized sandboxes is really equivalent to what most of us consider "investment" -- i.e., they didn't put any more resources toward the team as a whole, and there are definitely multiple paths toward sustained winning and success. So personally I don't attribute the successes in revenue to giving Rodgers an extra-big sandcastle compared to his teammates.

Agreed. I don't see any line item in that statement or and notations that attribute any income to Aaron Rodgers.

With a season ticket waiting list of over 147,000 people, the Packers have no problem selling tickets, nor raising the price on them each season. Rodgers has nothing to do with the Packers selling tickets. Unless you want to talk about the secondary market and it's a "Big Game". Then those tickets get pricey, but the Packer organization does not profit off of that. I could see that argument with a team that can't keep people in the seats, but not the Packers. Also, over $50 million in tickets and jersey sales, attributed only to Rodgers in 2022?

Tying any profits directly to Rodgers is laughable. Sure, he has helped make the Packers successful, but so have a lot of coaches and other players. I know some can't see it, but the NFL is a monopoly and will continue to charge whatever they can get away with and will continue to get it. The Packers, they have an even better position than most teams, their season tickets are very difficult to come by and that started well before Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Mondio]

and discounting the influence great players have on not only short term, but long term profitability of teams and cities is equally as laughable. Expecting a by line item of dollars and cents type accounting to prove something like that is equally silly. We all know it doesn't exist. I guess you "win" LOL.
and considering the newer generation of fans, i wonder how full that stadium is or how valuable those tickets will be after a decade or so of losing again.

You know why the Packers get a lot of prime time games and generate such a massive amount of TV revenue? Guys like Rodgers, that's how. Acting like he doesn't have an extremely positive influence on the team, the city, and the entire league is, as one might say, laughable.

 

[tynimiller]

I just don't think the statement should be made in definitive terms as it cannot actually be measured personally. GB has a MASSIVE waiting list for tickets, sales of games will not be influenced IMO at all even if the team enters a decade of sucking.

Which is why I went to jersey sales as a place possibly...that could actually be measured but none of us are going to have the access to attempt to extrapulate.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Which is why I went to jersey sales as a place possibly...that could actually be measured but none of us are going to have the access to attempt to extrapulate.

Agree with your whole post, but as I pointed out, Rodgers has been in the league since 2005, how many of his jerseys do you think were sold in 2022? According to this article, more Justin Fields jerserys were sold than Rodgers jersey's.....in the State of Wisconsin no less.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/02/08/justin-fields-bears-jerseys-outsell-aaron-rodgers-packers-wisconsin

 

[AmishMafia]

Aaron Rodgers had a positive impact on the Packer income in 3 ways: away games people wanting to see him play; sales of AR jerseys/memorabilia; and sales of all memorabilia because of success. I doubt these boosts of revenue came close to his salary.


Although vilified by some, Mark Murphy has done a fantastic job of creating additional revenue streams for the Packers. The whole Titletown District has been a huge boost for the Packer organization. 1919, Kohler Lodge, GameDay thingy, etc has been a big success. I saw the numbers a while ago but can't seem to find them now. My bet, is Mark Murphy has created more revenue for the Packers than Rodgers, and at a fraction of the salary.

 

[Mondio]

Aaron Rodgers had a positive impact on the Packer income in 3 ways: away games people wanting to see him play; sales of AR jerseys/memorabilia; and sales of all memorabilia because of success. I doubt these boosts of revenue came close to his salary.


Although vilified by some, Mark Murphy has done a fantastic job of creating additional revenue streams for the Packers. The whole Titletown District has been a huge boost for the Packer organization. 1919, Kohler Lodge, GameDay thingy, etc has been a big success. I saw the numbers a while ago but can't seem to find them now. My bet, is Mark Murphy has created more revenue for the Packers than Rodgers, and at a fraction of the salary.

I'd also bet Mark's job was much easier with Rodgers as his QB than say, Brett Hundley or equivalent for 5 years. Without recent guys like White and Favre and then Rodgers after, I have feeling the Titletown district doesn't exist. I doubt 140K dollar homes would be sold for a million dollars to build Packer day party houses. The best anybody was doing pre Favre and Rodgers was getting 10 bucks a car to park and they weren't even full back then.

If players like Rodgers really have no measurable impact, why pay them at all? Their influence goes far beyond the immediate measured dollars.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Aaron Rodgers had a positive impact on the Packer income in 3 ways: away games people wanting to see him play; sales of AR jerseys/memorabilia; and sales of all memorabilia because of success. I doubt these boosts of revenue came close to his salary.


Although vilified by some, Mark Murphy has done a fantastic job of creating additional revenue streams for the Packers. The whole Titletown District has been a huge boost for the Packer organization. 1919, Kohler Lodge, GameDay thingy, etc has been a big success. I saw the numbers a while ago but can't seem to find them now. My bet, is Mark Murphy has created more revenue for the Packers than Rodgers, and at a fraction of the salary.

Spot on Oh Amish one. Packers will keep packing that stadium and getting their cut of National media contracts, with or without Aaron Rodgers. I imagine Jordan Love jersey sales in 2023 will eclipse those Aaron Rodgers jerseys that were sold in 2022.

 

[AmishMafia]

I'd also bet Mark's job was much easier with Rodgers as his QB than say, Brett Hundley or equivalent for 5 years. Without recent guys like White and Favre and then Rodgers after, I have feeling the Titletown district doesn't exist. I doubt 140K dollar homes would be sold for a million dollars to build Packer day party houses. The best anybody was doing pre Favre and Rodgers was getting 10 bucks a car to park and they weren't even full back then.

If players like Rodgers really have no measurable impact, why pay them at all? Their influence goes far beyond the immediate measured dollars.

Absolutely.

A strong winning franchise generates incomes that lesser teams would not. But the primary income stream we are talking about is the small fraction that is non-TV. And that fraction is mostly memoribillia sales.

I have friends in Alaska, Nevada, Virginia, and Minnesota who all talk about coming to Green Bay for a Packer game as being a bucket list item. Some aren't even Packer fans, but they are drawn by the atmosphere and history. I don't think any of them are motivated by a desire to see Rodgers. Most have talked about this before even Favre was a Packer.

The NFL as a whole really took off in the 80s. Packers became a powerhouse in the 90s with Brett and Reggie coming to town. The timing was good to cultivate Packer fans around the world which has contributed, as you say, to the Packer bottom line.

So, you are correct. But dont underestimate the value of Mark Murphy and his vision and leadership have had to the Packers success as a business. As a small city team, we are competing well with the bigger market teams with deeper pocket opportunities

 

[AmishMafia]

Spot on Oh Amish one. Packers will keep packing that stadium and getting their cut of National media contracts, with or without Aaron Rodgers. I imagine Jordan Love jersey sales in 2023 will eclipse those Aaron Rodgers jerseys that were sold in 2022.

Now that you mention it, you are probably correct. For the reason, everyone who wants an AR jersey probably has one already. I have 3 myself!

Of course, AR will sell a lot of jerseys in NY. But that don't help the Packers.

 

[Mondio]

Absolutely.

A strong winning franchise generates incomes that lesser teams would not. But the primary income stream we are talking about is the small fraction that is non-TV. And that fraction is mostly memoribillia sales.

I have friends in Alaska, Nevada, Virginia, and Minnesota who all talk about coming to Green Bay for a Packer game as being a bucket list item. Some aren't even Packer fans, but they are drawn by the atmosphere and history. I don't think any of them are motivated by a desire to see Rodgers. Most have talked about this before even Favre was a Packer.

The NFL as a whole really took off in the 80s. Packers became a powerhouse in the 90s with Brett and Reggie coming to town. The timing was good to cultivate Packer fans around the world which has contributed, as you say, to the Packer bottom line.

So, you are correct. But dont underestimate the value of Mark Murphy and his vision and leadership have had to the Packers success as a business. As a small city team, we are competing well with the bigger market teams with deeper pocket opportunities

I'm not one to discount Mark, I like him and think he's done a great job promoting and keeping the Packers strong for years to come. His vision for the district and promoting the Packers within the league etc has been great. But I also can't deny the effect of winning and the players most responsible for winning and how that has made this part possible.

They both drive each other.
I could never quantify a dollar amount of impact Rodgers has had on this team, but I can't help but chuckle a bit when people try and say he's had no more affect than anyone else that has or will wear Green and Gold. He has.

 

[OldSchool101]

While it's true that his passer rating wasn't among the league leaders in 2018 and '19 as well (mostly based on a low completion percentage) he still threw for 51 touchdowns and only six interceptions in those two years. That hardly supports the notion his performance declined.

This is all relative to Aaron Rodgers, so using this generic argument of “he’s still pretty good” is irrelevant.

26.5 TD per consecutive season (2018/2019) and low completion % is not typical across Rodgers career. Without the use of hindsight, in real time that speaks to a decline in play. Maybe he broke his thumb both seasons and didn’t tell us idk

I will concede that Rodgers thumb was absolutely a negative factor earlier last season. Not to mention an inferior grouping of Receivers (for numerous reasons).

Listen. Aaron’s been disgruntled going on years now and he’s made that abundantly clear. Aaron chose to go to another team, there were avenues to stay and he fought them vehemently. Even if there’s blame to go around, Aaron needs to get over it. Every contract has two sides that can spoil it or make it smell like roses. Aaron Jones is a great example of making things work. Aaron Rodgers sometimes makes things unpleasant in the way he handled these matters. Personally if that was me I go direct to Brian and give him the benefit of the doubt, I’ve seen no evidence that ever happened. None has eluded to talks they had along the way. Communication and benefit of the doubt go a long ways in resolving conflict. Doesn’t sound like Rodgers subscribed to that.

 

[thequick12]

I just don't think the statement should be made in definitive terms as it cannot actually be measured personally. GB has a MASSIVE waiting list for tickets, sales of games will not be influenced IMO at all even if the team enters a decade of sucking.

Which is why I went to jersey sales as a place possibly...that could actually be measured but none of us are going to have the access to attempt to extrapulate.

If the Packers suck for 10 years...that waiting list will quickly evaporate because most people wont want to pay the price for those tickets

 

[Pkrjones]

If the Packers suck for 10 years...

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I refuse to go back to the 70's-80's!!!

 

[thequick12]

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I refuse to go back to the 70's-80's!!!

Hahaha, Hey @tynimiller suggested that and it was clearly hypothetical. I think Love is gonna be 3 in a row!