The Jordan Love Era Begins

[AmishMafia]

Every quarterback in the league misses open receivers from time to time. I truly wonder how Rodgers was able to win consecutive MVP awards in 2020 and '21 if his accuracy and arm strength has been in a steady decline for the last few years

No. He chose not to throw to an open receiver for a probable TD and instead threw it out of bounds. I have never seen that.

Stop looking at his past, and start looking at the present. Most of even his most ardent supporters concede his arm isn't what it once was.

 

[OldSchool101]

Every quarterback in the league misses open receivers from time to time. I truly wonder how Rodgers was able to win consecutive MVP awards in 2020 and '21 if his accuracy and arm strength has been in a steady decline for the last few years

The part concerning Rodgers is true, he Won 2 MVP awards recently. However 3 of Rodgers worst statistical seasons (across a 15 season career) are in the last 5 years, including a pretty pedestrian season last year with a career high Interception number and nearly a career low TD count.

Our most recent work [season] always holds the most weight when analyzing performance. Agree or disagree, It’s just the way the world operates.

 

[tynimiller]

Everyone knows I'm not a Rodgers fan and I'm embracing this potential parting of ways as needed, BUT we cannot say he hasn't given us much lately. That man nearly got us into the playoffs with a broken thumb, a defense that underachieved, an OL that next to no one along it progressed like we'd hoped (except maybe Tom and Bakh as he got healthier), and very young WR room as a whole.

While I know it wasn't what anyone wanted - it was far from not much IMO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Everyone knows I'm not a Rodgers fan and I'm embracing this potential parting of ways as needed, BUT we cannot say he hasn't given us much lately. That man nearly got us into the playoffs with a broken thumb, a defense that underachieved, an OL that next to no one along it progressed like we'd hoped (except maybe Tom and Bakh as he got healthier), and very young WR room as a whole.

While I know it wasn't what anyone wanted - it was far from not much IMO.

I'd still take a healthy Rodgers on the field over just about any QB. However, the writing has been on the wall for a few years, his time in Green Bay was coming to an end. It was either going to be that he retired as a Packer, which he said he was 90% ready to do or he was going to be traded. I still believe that the Packers were ready to keep him in 2023, based on the contract they gave him last year and what was said after the season. However, something happened to change all that and it is time to move on. I get everyone's optimism about Love, after all, we are Packer fans and that is what we want. However, I think as MLF alluded to, people need to temper their expectations and expect some growing pains. I also am in no way ready to say that the Packers are a better team with Love playing QB, than they were with Rodgers. That said, the time has come to move on, Go Pack Go!

 

[OldSchool101]

Everyone knows I'm not a Rodgers fan and I'm embracing this potential parting of ways as needed, BUT we cannot say he hasn't given us much lately. That man nearly got us into the playoffs with a broken thumb, a defense that underachieved, an OL that next to no one along it progressed like we'd hoped (except maybe Tom and Bakh as he got healthier), and very young WR room as a whole.

While I know it wasn't what anyone wanted - it was far from not much IMO.

You really don’t need to defend him from me, I’ve been practically his Defense Attorney many times.

At $50mil we sure didn’t get much of a return on investment in 2023. That’s lately. Obviously no one is saying he sucks, the guys a HOF QB and he’s been great overall for our team in general. I respect Rodgers for what he’s brought as a player, not so much past that. I’m ready to move on. The bigger picture is not good at all with him and I’ll take my chances going another Avenue. Rodgers reminds me of an old nagging GF and I’d say:
See Ya! Wouldn’t wanna be ya!

 

[thequick12]

"if it ain’t one thing, it’s another type thing with (Rodgers),” “Kudos to him, he’s definitely a guy who likes being talked about. Very mysterious, I think he kind of likes that. Honestly it has been kind of chill as of late. He is a Jet now, so it’s the Jets’ problem.”

Who would one think said this?

 

[tynimiller]

"if it ain’t one thing, it’s another type thing with (Rodgers),” “Kudos to him, he’s definitely a guy who likes being talked about. Very mysterious, I think he kind of likes that. Honestly it has been kind of chill as of late. He is a Jet now, so it’s the Jets’ problem.”

Who would one think said this?

Bussin with the boys!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I would bet the vast majority of the forum knows what I meant...

I understood what you meant as well but still believe it doesn't make any sense.

No. He chose not to throw to an open receiver for a probable TD and instead threw it out of bounds. I have never seen that.

Which play are you taking about?

Stop looking at his past, and start looking at the present. Most of even his most ardent supporters concede his arm isn't what it once was.

Rodgers has still an elite arm compared to most other quarterbacks in the league. He's definitely not as mobile as he was early in his career though.

The part concerning Rodgers is true, he Won 2 MVP awards recently. However 3 of Rodgers worst statistical seasons (across a 15 season career) are in the last 5 years, including a pretty pedestrian season last year with a career high Interception number and nearly a career low TD count.

I agree Rodgers didn't perform at an elite level last season but him suffering a broken thumb in week 5 was at least partially responsible for it. While it's true that his passer rating wasn't among the league leaders in 2018 and '19 as well (mostly based on a low completion percentage) he still threw for 51 touchdowns and only six interceptions in those two years. That hardly supports the notion his performance declined.

I still believe that the Packers were ready to keep him in 2023, based on the contract they gave him last year and what was said after the season.

I'm absolutely convinced the Packers wanted to move on from Rodgers after last season.

 

[thequick12]

At $50mil we sure didn’t get much of a return on investment in 2023

Are you talking about dead cap? Or 2022? Because the Packers absolutely made a lot more than 50 million dollars in profit by having Rodgers on the team last season

 

[longtimefan]

"if it ain’t one thing, it’s another type thing with (Rodgers),” “Kudos to him, he’s definitely a guy who likes being talked about. Very mysterious, I think he kind of likes that. Honestly it has been kind of chill as of late. He is a Jet now, so it’s the Jets’ problem.”

Who would one think said this?

Baktiarhi

 

[Mondio]

why do I get the feeling he was being sarcastic and trolling people?

 

[tynimiller]

why do I get the feeling he was being sarcastic and trolling people?

Not at all the way it came across, I'd recommend go listen to his whole dialogue about the Rodgers/Jets situation. There wasn't anything troll oriented at all. Honestly, he did an excellent job of fleshing out all the leverages each party has too in the situation (Packers, Jets, Rodgers).

 

[Mondio]

Not at all the way it came across, I'd recommend go listen to his whole dialogue about the Rodgers/Jets situation. There wasn't anything troll oriented at all. Honestly, he did an excellent job of fleshing out all the leverages each party has too in the situation (Packers, Jets, Rodgers).

I have a hard time believing a guy BakhT, who's always been a bit quick with his wit and some sarcasm is really calling the man he selected to officiate his wedding less than a year ago the Jets "problem" without a fair amount of tongue in cheek involved.

But maybe
I should probably clarify, I think he's throwing inside jokes/jabs to his friend more than anything with that comment. Probably wasn't a good choice of words to say trolling people.

 

[tynimiller]

Bakh almost always with his smirk or grin gives away his humor. He addressed things head on.

His serious side comes out later when discussing the NFLPA and Tretter as well. Dude can and was at times engaged in serious conversations IMO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Because the Packers absolutely made a lot more than 50 million dollars in profit by having Rodgers on the team last season

Can I ask you for the source, the one where it shows that the Packers had increased profits of more than $50M due to Rodgers in 2022.

 

[tynimiller]

Can I ask you for the source, the one where it shows that the Packers had increased profits of more than $50M due to Rodgers in 2022.

I believe it would be fairly common sense from all things considered (although probably impossible to quantify) that Rodgers presence has assisted in revenue income in excess of that.....BUT as I type this you know ticket sales are GOLD for GB regardless of who is on roster given our massive waiting list and constant filled seats.....I doubt the pro shop but maybe so has sold enough products with 12 on them that the net profit grosses $50M...that's a ton of jerseys and such to a degree I don't even want to imagine....say $5 profit per jersey that'd be 10M sold....if $10 profit per it'd 5M.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not at all the way it came across, I'd recommend go listen to his whole dialogue about the Rodgers/Jets situation. There wasn't anything troll oriented at all. Honestly, he did an excellent job of fleshing out all the leverages each party has too in the situation (Packers, Jets, Rodgers).

Agreed. His opinion is that "they" (the) Packers are in rebuild mode and he said it many times, that he doesn't think that they will be all that good. He also stated that he thinks if the Packers don't get what they want from the Jets, they should eat his contract, but that he felt that wouldn't happen.

Wouldn't shock me one bit if Bahk is traded with Rodgers or before the 2023 season starts.

 

[tynimiller]

Agreed. His opinion is that "they" (the) Packers are in rebuild mode and he said it many times, that he doesn't think that they will be all that good. He also stated that he thinks if the Packers don't get what they want from the Jets, they should eat his contract, but that he felt that wouldn't happen.

Wouldn't shock me one bit if Bahk is traded with Rodgers or before the 2023 season starts.

The fiscal acrobatics of including Bakh in the trade would have to be a separate deal earmarked as Post June 1 IMO. It couldn't be included in the Rodgers deal unless the entire thing is post June 1

 

[rmontro]

Disagree. I fully expect that the team, staff and management think they are definitely going to be in the hunt for the NFC North title.

That seems a tad optimistic. I'd expect we waste a season giving Love time to grow into the saddle. Then next year, we'll see. On the other hand, I'm curious to see how MLF does without Rodgers. This last season notwithstanding, he has a pretty good record.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I believe it would be fairly common sense from all things considered (although probably impossible to quantify) that Rodgers presence has assisted in revenue income in excess of that.....BUT as I type this you know ticket sales are GOLD for GB regardless of who is on roster given our massive waiting list and constant filled seats.....I doubt the pro shop but maybe so has sold enough products with 12 on them that the net profit grosses $50M...that's a ton of jerseys and such to a degree I don't even want to imagine....say $5 profit per jersey that'd be 10M sold....if $10 profit per it'd 5M.

Which is why I asked. The Packers didn't sell more tickets because Rodgers was their QB in 2022. The TV share that they cut, was not increased because of Rodgers. How many new Rodgers shirts, hats, whatever where sold in 2022 and what was the Packers cut? My gut says most Packer fans already have a Rodgers jersey. I would argue that Love starting, might have sold more new Jerseys.

Anyway, I get tired of "well look at how much money Rodgers has made the Packers." OK....then show me the money!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Bakh almost always with his smirk or grin gives away his humor. He addressed things head on.

His serious side comes out later when discussing the NFLPA and Tretter as well. Dude can and was at times engaged in serious conversations IMO.

In case nobody posted what he said or how he sounded and looked while he said it.

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[Sunshinepacker]

Can I ask you for the source, the one where it shows that the Packers had increased profits of more than $50M due to Rodgers in 2022.

Best I could find quickly was that, on average, NFL teams paid about $22.5 million per win in 2018. Using that as the "value" of a win and the fact that Rodgers was the 14th ranked QB by wins-above-replacement (WAR) last season according to PFF (14th overall), AND that PFF says that the average QBs WAR was 2.77 in 2021, that would imply that Rodgers was worth $22.5m x 2.77 = $62.325 million. Now, I'm not sure why Rodgers would be responsible for the Packers' profits, since he has not control over their expenses (other than his contract of course) but it appears, at a quick glance, that he provided more value to the team than his contract was worth.

Sources:
For value of a win - https://www.wsn.com/nfl/cost-nfl-team-win-infographic/
For Rodgers' PFF WAR ranking - https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers
For PFFs average QB WAR figure - https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-war-positional-priorities-2022-nfl-draft

 

[PikeBadger]

That seems a tad optimistic. I'd expect we waste a season giving Love time to grow into the saddle. Then next year, we'll see. On the other hand, I'm curious to see how MLF does without Rodgers. This last season notwithstanding, he has a pretty good record.

I'm hoping that LaFleur puts Love in the best position to succeed and I would also expect to see a greater emphasis on running the ball utilizing his best weapons

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Best I could find quickly was that, on average, NFL teams paid about $22.5 million per win in 2018.

NFL teams paid what? Are you taking a cost averaging method and using all 32 teams?

This statement was made:

Are you talking about dead cap? Or 2022? Because the Packers absolutely made a lot more than 50 million dollars in profit by having Rodgers on the team last season

I would like to see where and how that money was made.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm hoping that LaFleur puts Love in the best position to succeed and I would also expect to see a greater emphasis on running the ball utilizing his best weapons

I wouldn't expect him to do anything less. I would say that Gute might have more influence on the chess pieces that MLF would have available to do just that.