Studs and Duds vs The Lions

[Zartan]

Who y'all got

 

[red4tribe]

The biggest dud to me was the lack of a pash rush. Goff had way too much time to throw.

 

[Dieseljunkie12]

The biggest dud to me was the lack of a pash rush. Goff had way too much time to throw.

This is on love and lafleaur. 20 passes and 18 rushes by Jacob's.

We stopped st brown but gave them the runs and let Tim Patrick beat us. Our defense wasn't going to stop them. Game plan and lack of offense lost us the game. We should not have lost to their 4th string defense we let Campbell dictate the entire game

 

[Tayzak15]

They were playing against out 4th string secondary by the end essentially. Biggest dud of this matchup was the officiating.

 

[rmontro]

We lost, but we played with them. They were beat up, but they had home field advantage. I wanted to win, but the loss doesn't really hurt us much, except for pride. We're in basically the same situation we were in before.

 

[gopkrs]

I really liked the way the D line played and the way linebackers came up to help out. But the pass rush was not much. Though Goff was sort of dinking a lot. But for decent gains. The receivers were just too wide open. We kept up but they looked to do it with more ease. Still, it's the next game that counts. I think only philly is in the way. It won't be easy but we are capable. Kraft is looking like the real deal. I am amazed how Jacobs goes into a totally clogged middle and gets through pretty good. We do need to blitz but can't let receivers be so open 7 or 8 yards down the field. I think we'll be more ready if we get to play them again. We've got a good team.

 

[Magooch]

Studs…
Jacobs, Kraft, Love
To our credit we showed a good adjustment to make it a tight game

Duds…
-Pretty much the entire defensive front. Next to no pass rush and consistently getting manhandled by Detroit OL
-an absolute inability to cover the middle of the field
-another big game in which we look like the less disciplined and less prepared of the two teams
-I have no hope at this point for Stokes getting back to being anything more than JAG. Nixon is good for an occasional splash play but generally a liability overall

My brain says we definitely need help at CB come draft time/free agency but my heart says to just burn all our picks and cap space on DT/DE cuz most of these guys pretty much just look like passengers for much of the game. A big collection of poor return on investments

 

[OldSchool101]

This is on love and lafleaur. 20 passes and 18 rushes by Jacob's.

We stopped st brown but gave them the runs and let Tim Patrick beat us. Our defense wasn't going to stop them. Game plan and lack of offense lost us the game. We should not have lost to their 4th string defense we let Campbell dictate the entire game

As I watched this game. I think we miss Doubs more in a game like this than I thought. Wicks is ok but he’s more like a 4th WR. Doubs is best in that 10-20 yard range. I’m glad we rested Doubs, but I think his absence was noticed.

We held their Rushing Offense to 3.3 yards per. That’s actually really impressive. Everyone was touting how this was the best RB duo in the league? Stud
Run D
Kraft
Jacobs
Yes even Love. Love actually beat Goff in Passer rating.111% He played clean and he was under duress much of the game. no INT but gave us a chance at Ford Field and played mostly clean. Not his best game, but played very respectable.


I’m not taking anything from Detroit. They were 4/5 on 4th down. Who goes for it on your own 30? Wow
Stud. Lions Asserting their Will

 

[Magooch]

I believe had they been 3/5 it’s a different outcome.

I somewhat agree, but unfortunately this is kind of a pro and con for me.

“Pro” in that in this sense we were only one stop away from perhaps winning. (or at least taking it to OT, or getting the ball back with a chance)

But “Con” in that i have next to zero confidence in our defense’s ability to actually make that stop when it matters.

 

[DoURant]

Studs:
1. Jacobs, just pencil him in every week. He's our best offensive player
2. Run Defense, other than a couple decent runs, they shut down the 2 headed monster.
3. Kraft, he just makes big plays when we need him to. Great hands, another TD, and that flip off the turf to his feet was crazy for a guy of his size.

Duds:
1. Stokes, he just doesn't bring a lot to the table
2. Josh Myers, he was continually pushed back into Love face.
3. Reed, 1 target, no catches, he did draw a PI, but was mostly invisible, when we needed him to pick up some of Doubs production.

Honorable Mention:
Offense:
Wicks, no drops, caught 4of 5 targets, maybe he is turning the corner after a bad case of the drops for most of the season.
Defense:
Nixon, that Interception after scoring a TD set up another to give us 14 quick points to start the 2nd half, and flipped a 17-7 deficit, into a 21-17 lead.

 

[OldSchool101]

I somewhat agree, but unfortunately this is kind of a pro and con for me.

“Pro” in that in this sense we were only one stop away from perhaps winning. (or at least taking it to OT, or getting the ball back with a chance)

But “Con” in that i have next to zero confidence in our defense’s ability to actually make that stop when it matters.

Detroit on Offense is very potent. I mean they are like 32 points per game and homefield advantage. I was more impressed with their D holding us to 7 points in the first half. That was impressive. Their D is a bunch of scrubbs and just beat the crap out of us for 2 Quarters.
I expected they’d score. I had it
Green Bay 31-27
Could’ve played a little better on Pass D but recall we also had CB1 out CB3 go down LB2 out SAF2 go down

No way is a combo of Zayne Anderson and Eric Stokes going to shut down the #1 Offense

That was a tick tacky call on Williams when we stopped them on their 1st drive. There was no holding and contact was within 5 yards.
It was 4th n goal at the 7 and it’s a FG try. Even Campbell isn’t going for 7

 

[pizzle]

Studs…
Jacobs, Kraft, Love
To our credit we showed a good adjustment to make it a tight game

Duds…
-Pretty much the entire defensive front. Next to no pass rush and consistently getting manhandled by Detroit OL
-an absolute inability to cover the middle of the field
-another big game in which we look like the less disciplined and less prepared of the two teams
-I have no hope at this point for Stokes getting back to being anything more than JAG. Nixon is good for an occasional splash play but generally a liability overall

My brain says we definitely need help at CB come draft time/free agency but my heart says to just burn all our picks and cap space on DT/DE cuz most of these guys pretty much just look like passengers for much of the game. A big collection of poor return on investments

If I was Gute in the off-season I'd assume I'm not bringing back Stokes and would be looking to replace LVN/Cox/Mosby cuz they're JAGs

LVN is simply not a good enough football player for where we drafted him

He is an interesting athlete based on his measurables that happens to play football (whom also doesn't have a natural position to fit into, either)

He is too light in the trunks to play DT on 1st/2nd down and has no pass rush moves to be a consistently effective EDGE player no matter what the designation is position-wise;he basically has a bullrush that doesn't work most of the time due to lack of technique he hustles his way into plays which I am okay with for the rest of this season but long-term cannot be relied on in a starter's role; Cox/Mosby are 3-4 OLBs charading as DEs in our scheme and need to be moved out of the way in training camp and either relegated to the PS at best/let go to try and latch on with a team that could utilize them better based on scheme fit


With our initial pick in the 1st Round wherever that ends up being I'd go best pass rushing defensive end available then I'd get creative/aggressively move around the draft board to snag 5 players overall in the Top 100 giving up for this upcoming year our routine stratgem of stockpiling late picks for way of filling out the rest of the draft class with preferred UDFAs (we're such a young squad what sense does it make in adding a dozen more draft picks to literally the youngest team in the NFL??? We need a few good young guys ready to play that can make an impact NOW) The other four picks would be truly BPA not limited to any position-with the UDFAs I'd be looking specifically for twitchy cover corners from small schools and speedy ILBs that may be a tad bit undersized from a weight standpoint but tall or stocky but slight of stature height-wise with talent that could be turned into something

In terms of FA the focus would be what to do with our own guys as far as offering them contracts or not/what type of deal to offer but I would be looking to find a plug-and-play starting DE with 10-15 sacks/season capability still in the tank on a 1 year deal so that he could play alongside Gary have Kingsley/LVN be 2nd string/have the '25 1st Round pick and the rookie that flashes the most in TC be 3rd string

Again with Nixon IMO showing me he's a good enough CB2 with versatility and Jaire being a player that still has elite traits that are CB1 worthy when healthy/the Tines being decent backups/having some younger guys with talent down the depth chart I would actually not be as concerned with corner being an absolute need we should draft one if out of the five picks in the Top 100 we select there is a really really good one that falls into our laps otherwise ILB or OL or even WR can and should be looked at

 

[rmontro]

Bottom line, this just looks like Detroit's year. Not saying they will win the Super Bowl necessarily (although I don't think anyone would be shocked). But at the very least, they are the class of the division, if not the conference.

 

[OldSchool101]

Bottom line, this just looks like Detroit's year. Not saying they will win the Super Bowl necessarily (although I don't think anyone would be shocked). But at the very least, they are the class of the division, if not the conference.

Imagine if Detroit was healthy on Defense.

I still say much will be determined by who we lineup this postseason. I could see us being a problem. It’s really hard to play a Division opponent that’s playoff worthy 3 times and win all 3.

The other thing is it really hard to stay on top. It’s very possible they fall to Buffalo

 

[BrokenArrow]

Duds: Refs for ignoring textbook offensive PI in the last minute which had a big affect on the game.

 

[melvin dangerr]

Duds: Refs for ignoring textbook offensive PI in the last minute which had a big affect on the game.

They also missed at least 3 personal fouls 2 o the QB, and how does a receiver get his helmet taken off with a hit toward the head and no foul

 

[melvin dangerr]

Stud: Jacobs
Dud: Not putting a team away and losing, bad penalty, O’line, no pressure in Gott, Defense down the stretch, this game was a “W” for GB, and the D let them march right down the field for the win, The Lions made a statement, this is their division now, MLF, I hope you can clean this up NOW!

 

[milani]

The biggest dud to me was the lack of a pash rush. Goff had way too much time to throw.

That is why he is having that kind of year. If Stafford had his O line in Detroit the Lions would have had a much better decade.

 

[milani]

I really liked the way the D line played and the way linebackers came up to help out. But the pass rush was not much. Though Goff was sort of dinking a lot. But for decent gains. The receivers were just too wide open. We kept up but they looked to do it with more ease. Still, it's the next game that counts. I think only philly is in the way. It won't be easy but we are capable. Kraft is looking like the real deal. I am amazed how Jacobs goes into a totally clogged middle and gets through pretty good. We do need to blitz but can't let receivers be so open 7 or 8 yards down the field. I think we'll be more ready if we get to play them again. We've got a good team.

We still need more bulk at ILB and on the DL. As hard as our guys played they got blocked solidly. Lions just too good.

 

[chemist]

We still need more bulk at ILB and on the DL. As hard as our guys played they got blocked solidly. Lions just too good.

Getting Closer....
Last time Lions beat us by 10, this time by 3, if there is a next time I feel the tables will be reversed, and if there is a next time it will be the most important of the 3 Lions games.

 

[Voyageur]

I was impressed on how well the Packers played last night to be honest. The Lions pass rush is an enormous part of the reason they have a top defense. Even though Love was hit quite often, they gave him enough time to get the passes off. The biggest thing was he lacked touch on his shorter passes, and couldn't seem to see his outlet receivers who were wide open, and it ended up as incomplete passes.

Jacobs forced the Lions to honor the run. Most of his yards came as "yards after contact." He can slide through a small hole, and is a bull out there. Watching guys hit him with all they've got, hoping to sting him, and him getting up and walking back to the huddle, while they're getting medical help makes me smile. This is what's been lacking in LeFleur's offense until this year. Our offensive line does need some upgrades though. I think we'll see it over the off season.

On defense, everyone talks about the number of injuries the Lions have, but what the Packers had happen last night, with DBs going out during the game, after you've already been decimated by injuries is far worse. The Packers had to throw guys into the mix who were playing in different positions than they normally do, and the coverage was inadequate because of it. To me, that's what cost us dearly, and allowed the Lions to move down the field and get that game winning FG.

Our pass rush was there early, but died. They were gassed. We need more active bodies in that front seven. Injuries are hurting us.

On offense, we missed Romeo Doubs. He could have added more catches that moved the chains. I had a hunch that was going to haunt us. Let's hope he's back next week.

I thought the officiating was pretty bad, but it went both ways. They let some pretty egregious fouls happen out there without throwing the laundry. One that griped me a lot was that the Lions had offensive line blockers downfield on screen plays, before the ball was thrown. They should have been called on it. Secondly, if you're going to call that collision that Watson had as a pick, you should have been calling it against the Lions all night, because it's what they do often on their shorter passing routes.

But, that's not what won or lost the game. What lost it was our injuries. We don't have the depth yet, and it showed. Nothing to be ashamed of. I do think that if the Packers meet the Lions again, in the playoffs, and we're healthy, the Packers will beat them.

 

[Team Ronny]

Dud: poor tackling. How do you have 5 guys near the rb..3 who could have dropped him for a minimal game..and he still gains 15 yards? This defense overall..SUCKS! If the game is on the line..I know they will fold 80% of the time. 3 defensive coordinators later..this is a talent issue! How bad does Jonathan Ford have to be to never crack the lineup, with the garbage they have on the dline? What's the point of having a 6'5" 350 lb guy on your practice squad...if you have no intention of ever letting him play? He can't be any worse than what they have starting!

 

[Sanguine camper]

Studs-Jacobs, Kraft
Packer offense scored 31 points on only 44 plays. Good production but you won't win many games with 44 plays.
Duds- pass rush, LB's , CB's
Detroit destroyed the Packers in the middle of the field. Packer LB's aren't reacting quick enough and are out of position to continuously give up first downs. CB position is a mess. The trade of Rasul Douglas is just a disaster right now. Gute gave up a good CB and then reached for a LB in the 3rd round who sits on the bench despite injuries.
Detroit has just done a much better job of drafting and developing than the Packers. Detroit is superior and it comes from a better GM and coaching staff.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Duds- Time of possession - 23 minutes won't cut it. The offense moved the ball well against Detroit's depleted defense averaging nearly 7 yards per play. Had the defense forced more than 2 punts, the Packers could've put up 40 points.
WR's - gotta gave better production as a unit in a big game. They just weren't getting open enough. 12 completions just won't get it done in the NFL. Period.

 

[Heyjoe4]

We lost, but we played with them. They were beat up, but they had home field advantage. I wanted to win, but the loss doesn't really hurt us much, except for pride. We're in basically the same situation we were in before.

Agreed. I gotta hand it to Campbell or whoever came up with the Lions' defensive game plan. They had a banged up D come out very aggressively and make things hard for Love. The Packers finally figured it out, but it probably cost them a TD or FG.

But last night was their best chance to beat the Lions. They came up 3 pts short.