Studs and Duds vs The Lions

[OldSchool101]

Starting to think going for it so much on 4th down for the Lions was necessitated as much by the Lions injuries on D rather than strictly a 'Campbell has no respect for the Packers'.

I agree. I think you’d agree that had they (Lions) punted on 2-3 of those they lose to GB.

 

[OldSchool101]

Campbell has to stop acting like he is the smartest guy to coach in the NFL. I get the aggressiveness, but feels like he is trying to one up himself all the time or if he doesn't maintain that aggressive edge then he will be questioned. Just got it to 38-28 with 12 minutes left then you try an onside kick. He must really not like his defense right now. . .

Almost every long tenured but retired player I’ve listened said it will catch up with him. They aren’t Packers fans it’s just like taking a hit on 17 in Blackjack it’s going to work situational but it’s NOT sustainable

 

[Firethorn1001]

Makes me wonder if they’ve already peaked. It’s a Looooong season

At this point they are the 2011 Packers. That Offense stumbles in the playoffs they will be going home. There exists a world in which they might be 14-3 and a #5 seed going to St L, Sea, TB. Going to be alot of teams in the playoffs that can score.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Almost every long tenured but retired player I’ve listened said it will catch up with him. They aren’t Packers fans it’s just like taking a hit on 17 in Blackjack it’s going to work situational but it’s NOT sustainable

Interesting perspective; thanks. Some unexpected insights.

On a macro scale, it's maybe comparable to a common trope we've all heard a hundred times - when something you are doing in a game is working,you don't second-guess yourself. You keep doing it until it stops working, and then you try something else.

Campbell's hyper-aggressive coaching philisophy may be a house of cards that is destined to backfire on him at some point (and not only stop working for him, but possibly work against him), but... right now, it's working. And that's all he needs to encourage him to keep doing it. First rule is, you keep doing what works until it stops working.

There are indications teams are starting to figure it out. They barely squeaked past the Vikings a few weeks ago, the Bears came shockingly close to winning their game, and Green Bay should have won ours... the Bills utterly manhandled them most of the day today, but the Detroits are still a great enough team that they were damned near able to overcome it.

But over the last month and a half, they don't exactly look like Von Rundstedts' 2nd Panzer Army's half million men roaring across Ukraine on the way to Moscow, and teams seem to be figuring out how to counterpunch.

Whether that's a trend or a temporary abberation, it's too early to tell. But here in December, there may be reason to hope that Campbell's approach might not be as intimidating as it seemed earlier in the year. Their next two games are against two teams we've already beaten; it'll be interesting to see how they look against San Francsco and the Bears agin. Especially Chicago - we'll see if the Bears learned anything about how to shut them down.

 

[milani]

Almost every long tenured but retired player I’ve listened said it will catch up with him. They aren’t Packers fans it’s just like taking a hit on 17 in Blackjack it’s going to work situational but it’s NOT sustainable

Gambling is his game. Maverick is his name!

 

[milani]

I agree. I think you’d agree that had they (Lions) punted on 2-3 of those they lose to GB.

Going for an onside kick with 12 minutes to go was because the Lions just could not stop the Bills. It backfired even worse.

 

[Half Empty]

While it won't change the score or the results of the game, at least Za'Darius's wallet will feel the correction.

https://atozsports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers-news/nfl-rights-a-major-wrong-in-controversial-no-call-involving-jordan-love-and-zadarius-smith-during-packers-lions/

Do we even need to address what $6,722 means to these guys?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Do we even need to address what $6,722 means to these guys?

That is why I said "wallet", his carrying around cash.

But yeah, to your point, would be like you or I dropping a penny and deciding to not pick it up.

 

[OldSchool101]

At this point they are the 2011 Packers. That Offense stumbles in the playoffs they will be going home. There exists a world in which they might be 14-3 and a #5 seed going to St L, Sea, TB. Going to be alot of teams in the playoffs that can score.

Actually a good comparable @Firethorn1001. Matter of fact we lost in 2011 later in Regular season by stumbling (K.C.)
Although stumbling to the Bills in a 1-score contest is not anything to be ashamed either. I think the Bills are peaking right now. That Offense is clicking and Josh Allen is on absolute fire. He’s hard to defend it’s more about mitigating Buffalo. Their D is vulnerable though and it’s likely they’ll hit a healthy Defense Roadblock these playoffs. You can’t expect to score 35+ every week it’s hard to sustain that level on Offense for 7 more games imo

 

[OldSchool101]

Dan Campbell got cute on an onside Kick. It’s a 10 point game with a full 12 minutes of gameclock + Timeouts.

Now he’s got his reasons with all these injuries. Yet he’s the one that vehemently claims injuries don’t change his mindset. However his actions speak louder than words. He didn’t trust his D to get a stop. It’s ok he didn’t heed to verbalize it. I probably wouldn’t either.

It didn’t change the fact that the Lions are struggling at D right now. Which is why they are leaning on anything and everything to keep it in their Offenses’ hands. Unfortunately that is likely not sustainable imo.

 

[Poppa San]

#5 seed going to St L,

If the team goes to St. L they're going to end up missing the game and forfeiting.

 

[Firethorn1001]

If the team goes to St. L they're going to end up missing the game and forfeiting.

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[OldSchool101]

Question.

Does a number #5 Seed vs # 4 Seed mean more growth potential.??
Why call them seeds? Why not Beans or even Flowers? Seems to me they’ve already budded

Just ponder that today

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Question.

Does a number #5 Seed vs # 4 Seed mean more growth potential.??
Why call them seeds? Why not Beans or even Flowers? Seems to me they’ve already budded

Just ponder that today

Nope, just that one might be growing in their own backyard and the other one, having to creep over the fences and try to sprout in foreign soil.

 

[weeds]

Question.

Does a number #5 Seed vs # 4 Seed mean more growth potential.??
Why call them seeds? Why not Beans or even Flowers? Seems to me they’ve already budded

Just ponder that today

No. I will not.

 

[OldSchool101]

If the team goes to St. L they're going to end up missing the game and forfeiting.

I swear I must be asleep. It didn’t hit me until I saw that 3X!

 

[Firethorn1001]

I swear I must be asleep. It didn’t hit me until I saw that 3X!

At least in my mind I was thinking Rams and not the Cardinals, All Stars or Gunners

 

[Thirteen Below]

No. I will not.

Damned right! Who is he to tell you what to do; he ain't the boss of you!

 

[Poppa San]

At least in my mind I was thinking Rams and not the Cardinals, All Stars or Gunners

Didn't the Cardinals do a stopover for a few years in St Loo?

 

[Thirteen Below]

Didn't the Cardinals do a stopover for a few years in St Loo?

Good memory.

Yeah, they started out in Chicago, and won two NFL championships there. But over tye years, their fan base gradually defected to the Bears, and they were going broke. In 1960, they were allowed to move to St. Louis. They didn't relocate to Arizona until 86 or 87, I think.

A lot of people don't realize they're the oldest continually operated franchise in the NFL. Bears are second oldest, and those two teams are the only two of the original NFL charter members still operating. Green Bay is the 3rd oldest.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Yeah, they started out in Chicago, and won two NFL championships there. But over tye years, their fan base gradually defected to the Bears, and they were going broke. In 1960, they were allowed to move to St. Louis. They didn't relocate to Arizona until 86 or 87, I think.

They were the Phoenix Cardinals until the early 90s.

All Stars and Gunners were St Louis NFL teams in the 1920s I believe for a brief instance.

 

[Thirteen Below]

They were the Phoenix Cardinals until the early 90s.

All Stars and Gunners were St Louis NFL teams in the 1920s I believe for a brief instance.

I think the All Stars were the first St. Louis team, in 23. That was their only year. Then someone started the Gunners in 31, but they were independent - not part of the NFL. They were a very good team; in 33, they were something like 11-2-3, and played most of those games against NFL teams. They beat every NFL team they faced except the Packers and the Cincinnati Reds, outscoring their opposiiton by a total of 297-72 in 16 games.

Then 1934 was their last season in that incarnation, and Green Bay beat them again that year. The NFL didn't want them because they were too far away from most other teams, and travel would have been too expensive. They struggled to find opponents good enough to give them a decent game, and finally gave up and folded because they couldn't sell enough tickets playing ****** regional competition. I think they started up again near the end of the 30s, and joined a new minor league called the AFL.

But as good as they were, they might have been able to establish a solid franchise with a good reputation in the early years of the NFL, and maybe been a good team for many decades. It was just that extra day of train travel in each direction that killed them off.

 

[milani]

Didn't the Cardinals do a stopover for a few years in St Loo?

In Chicago they played their games in Comiskey Park. My father said you could easily get a ticket any Sunday and the seats were pretty empty.

 

[OldSchool101]

They were the Phoenix Cardinals until the early 90s.

All Stars and Gunners were St Louis NFL teams in the 1920s I believe for a brief instance.

I read a Book written by the Male Secretary (for lack of better terminology) of HL Hunt. His office was adjacent to Hunt’s and he heard nearly everything he said as both left their doors wide open. Only reason Hunt chose him as his right hand man is because he was a nobody but a more known for his outstanding character. He was a very private, trusted low level employee who grew up as a simple farmer near Lake Lavon TX. Employed by Hunt originally as a low level employee

He claims to know all about JFK, MLK jr and Hoffa disappearance. Very detailed transactions he witnessed, no direct proof but a ton of circumstantial that HL was involved as was Mob contacts Mr secretary met for “hush hush” cash deliveries” just prior to major assassinations. JFK drove by their building moments before and looked up and waived at Hunt and this guy. He knew Hunt well they weren’t friends more political adversaries but both very powerful men. The shooting incident happened just down the road from their Dallas office building. He thought it odd that Hunt made such an effort to watch JFK drive by as he hated him with a passion. Hunt knew exactly Kennedy Car route and timing would put him below his office.

One day Mr Hunt (in Dallas) around lunchtime, asked this secretary to find a suitable location for a Football Team. He couldn’t understand why he was being asked he had ZERO experience in those matters. HL was a very odd cat. He talked about how today an entire firm would be hired with a years research. He researched and picked the City based on it was a larger radio market for Hunt’s popular radio station “Life Line Radio” which this guy monitored and K.C. had adequate population but without a Football team anywhere close by. He picked this location on his lunch hour and made his proposal to Hunt after lunch. That proposal was acceptable and he was told to “make it happen”. In 1 hour that became the start of K.C. as a Pro team. It was like the throwing of a dart at a Rand McNally map of the U.S.

HL Hunt was one of the most unusual characters. He had multiple wives and families and they’d “go with the program” because he funded their lifestyle. IMO it was like Hunt was a sociopath of sorts (he told of this pocket knife story that was very weird). Hunt trusted this lowly employee turned “right hand man” with very privy, but important matters, for whatever reason idk and he didn’t either. Hunt would write a note for permission to go downstairs to his bank and withdraw large sums for delivery. I’m talking $70K cash back in 1960. That type money was left in envelopes on Hunt’s desk unattended. It’s such an unbelievable account of his involvement and the way Hunt operated but it’s so unusual it’s believable. I personally think this book was published just to free the Secretary’s conscience it wasn’t for glory or profit. May have put his life in danger but wanted people to know the truth and HL Is long gone.

PS. Next up: the mysteries of ST Louis
(Just kidding!)

 

[milani]

I read a Book written by the Male Secretary (for lack of better terminology) of HL Hunt. His office was adjacent to Hunt’s and he heard nearly everything he said as both left their doors wide open. Only reason Hunt chose him as his right hand man is because he was a nobody but a more known for his outstanding character. He was a very private, trusted low level employee who grew up as a simple farmer near Lake Lavon TX. Employed by Hunt originally as a low level employee

He claims to know all about JFK, MLK jr and Hoffa disappearance. Very detailed transactions he witnessed, no direct proof but a ton of circumstantial that HL was involved as was Mob contacts Mr secretary met for “hush hush” cash deliveries” just prior to major assassinations. JFK drove by their building moments before and looked up and waived at Hunt and this guy. He knew Hunt well they weren’t friends more political adversaries but both very powerful men. The shooting incident happened just down the road from their Dallas office building. He thought it odd that Hunt made such an effort to watch JFK drive by as he hated him with a passion. Hunt knew exactly Kennedy Car route and timing would put him below his office.

One day Mr Hunt (in Dallas) around lunchtime, asked this secretary to find a suitable location for a Football Team. He couldn’t understand why he was being asked he had ZERO experience in those matters. HL was a very odd cat. He talked about how today an entire firm would be hired with a years research. He researched and picked the City based on it was a larger radio market for Hunt’s popular radio station “Life Line Radio” which this guy monitored and K.C. had adequate population but without a Football team anywhere close by. He picked this location on his lunch hour and made his proposal to Hunt after lunch. That proposal was acceptable and he was told to “make it happen”. In 1 hour that became the start of K.C. as a Pro team. It was like the throwing of a dart at a Rand McNally map of the U.S.

HL Hunt was one of the most unusual characters. He had multiple wives and families and they’d “go with the program” because he funded their lifestyle. IMO it was like Hunt was a sociopath of sorts (he told of this pocket knife story that was very weird). Hunt trusted this lowly employee turned “right hand man” with very privy, but important matters, for whatever reason idk and he didn’t either. Hunt would write a note for permission to go downstairs to his bank and withdraw large sums for delivery. I’m talking $70K cash back in 1960. That type money was left in envelopes on Hunt’s desk unattended. It’s such an unbelievable account of his involvement and the way Hunt operated but it’s so unusual it’s believable. I personally think this book was published just to free the Secretary’s conscience it wasn’t for glory or profit. May have put his life in danger but wanted people to know the truth and HL Is long gone.

PS. Next up: the mysteries of ST Louis
(Just kidding!)

Good story. I recall that back in the late 60s CBS 60 Minutes did a portion on HL Hunt. He was unusual and incredibly wealthy. They said that his wife packed him his lunch everyday in a brown paper bag. They showed him on the telephone discussing his investments with a broker. He was a big proponent of the Vietnam War. The longer it could go the more money he and those like him would make.