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Duds; My wife and oldest daughter for scolding me when I yelled like crazy after the Cobb touchdown. They thought I'd wake my grandson. I thought the little beggar should have been awake anyway watching the Packers. So I put my foot down.

Dud; me...for not realizing how uncomfortable the couch is to sleep on....
 

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I told my son to pick Adams over Cobb for his fantasy team. I told him Cobb was good, but Adams would be the number one target. He took Cobb. Boy was he gloating last night. Heh heh heh...……..
He can gloat now, you'll probably be able to teach him a lesson about gloating by seasons end
 

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Is PFF now charging for their top performers in each game? Would be interested to see how the guys graded out yesterday
 

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Duds; My wife and oldest daughter for scolding me when I yelled like crazy after the Cobb touchdown. They thought I'd wake my grandson. I thought the little beggar should have been awake anyway watching the Packers. So I put my foot down.

Dud; me...for not realizing how uncomfortable the couch is to sleep on....

I had a co-worker tell me today that her and her husband, who are both big Packer fans, went to bed at half time because they were so depressed. Then some time later, they heard screaming from next door, she rolled over and said to her husband "no F'ing way, do you think we just missed the game of our lifetime?" :roflmao:
 

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Last night felt like the miracle in Motown. What a way to open up Sunday Night Football. Stud goes out to my husband that makes sure I did not go to bed at halftime when we were down during both of those epic games. I live on the east coast and work at 5am, so the night games are tough. He always shows up with a coffee for me at kick off. Then stays up with me, even though hes a die hard New England fan.
 

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Last night felt like the miracle in Motown. What a way to open up Sunday Night Football. Stud goes out to my husband that makes sure I did not go to bed at halftime when we were down during both of those epic games. I live on the east coast and work at 5am, so the night games are tough. He always shows up with a coffee for me at kick off. Then stays up with me, even though hes a die hard New England fan.


Sounds like you got yourself a keeper there.....
 

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Studs:

Rodgers
Adams
Allison
Cobb
McCarthy's second half playcalling
Pettine and his defense - when was the last time we saw another team get the ball with 2 minutes and (instead of marching down the field making DBs look as though they were one-legged pirates) get stopped cold on not just one 4-down series, but two? Would a Capers D have stuffed the Bears on two consecutive 4th downs?
Gutekunst. He's building a team, and last night was our first real indication of how well he's doing it. I like what I see so far.



Duds:

Clay. May possibly be the worst game I've ever seen him play. Sorry, dude... always been a fan, but you've been around long enough to know that level of play won't keep you on the squad.
O-line play. Not sure how much was the players and how much was Campen, but we need better than that out of that unit.
McCarthy's 1st half playcalling.
Kizer, but I'm not judging him for it. It was a rocky debut, but that happens to a lot of young QBs. He needs to learn from it, though.
I almost listed Graham here, too, but then I realized I'm not even sure he suited up.
 

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Studs
Rodgers
Cobb, Adams, Allison
Monty and Williams for doing all the little things
Bulaga 2nd half
Secondary

Duds
Wilkerson
Clay
MM 1st half playcalling
 

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Really enjoying people putting "2nd half playcalling " in the stud category and "1st half playcalling" in the dud category despite it not really changing
 

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i think we watched different games.

No you watched Rodgers simply take the shorter throws and not looking for the home run. Rodgers himself said the playcalling didnt really change.

The only thing that really changed was they ran more pistol formation. That doesnt really effect the routes or the play calls in general
 

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Really enjoying people putting "2nd half playcalling " in the stud category and "1st half playcalling" in the dud category despite it not really changing
I will call it 2nd half execution stud, 1st half execution dud :)

Whatever it was, the ball was coming out quicker and more rhythm. I admit I have no idea what is called, and I'm not really ever a fan of saying it's the play calling so if I did it was a mistake on my part. Oline did better, Rodgers got the ball out quicker and it showed. It wasn't one thing that changed. a couple things got better and the product looked vastly different. Usually once the ball is snapped the camera follows the QB and the receivers run of the screen until the ball is thrown. Heck if I know what they're doing.
 

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In case anyone wants to read the Chicago Sun Times grades on the Bears players. I can't help but wonder how much those grades would have changed had the Bears been the ones who pulled out the victory?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports...h-night-for-many-vs-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers/

Those are pretty harsh grades for a team that came close to winning a season opener on the road against heavily favored opponent. I agree about the strange offensive play calling from the Bears late in the game, and Trubisky didn't have a great second half by any means. Fuller can be faulted for not hanging onto the potential INT.
 
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Football Outsiders does this with their defensive grades.
Point taken. Still, the FO methodology is mostly a black box: [https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef] That's understandable. They don't want to be copied. Still, believing the conclusions of a black box requires a leap of faith.

Listed below are teams in order of their 2017 DVOA rank, best to worst, followed by their points-against rank, with many notable discrepancies.

Teams with a DVOA rank much better than their points against rank (10 or more ranking position difference): ARI, DEN, WAS, CLE

These teams ranked 25th. or worse in offensive points scored, 16th. or worse in offensive yards per game, 23rd. or worse in offensive turnovers, 17th. or worse in number of punts.

Teams with a DVOA rank much worse than their points against rank (10 or more ranking position difference): ATL, DAL, KC, NE, TB

These teams ranked 18th. or better in offensive points scored, 14th. or better in offensive yards per game, 4 of 5 were 14th. or better in offesive turnovers (TB 26th.), and 8th. or better in number of punts.

Conventional wisdom would say that a team with a good offense helps a defense keep points off the board while a bad one compromises the defense. If the offense moves the ball and scores points while limiting turnovers and punts, that helps the defense. A poor offense can make its defense look worse than it is in a points against ranking.

To FO's credit, their DVOA appears to capture this reality even if it doesn't incorporate an offensive production factor into defensive performance. It just works out that way.

1 JAC, 2 in points against
2 MIN, 1
3 BAL, 6
4 ARI, 19
5 PHI, 4
6 LARM, 12
7 CAR, 11
8 NO, 10
9 PIT, 7
10 DEN, T22
11 WAS, T27
12 LACH, 3
13 SEA, T13
14 CHI, 9
15 BUF, 18
16 CLE, 31
17 CIN, 16
18 NYJ, T22
19 DET, 21
20 GB, 26
21 TEN, 17
22 ATL, 8
23 HOU,32
24 NYG, T27
25 DAL, T13
26 SF, 25
27 IND, 30
28 MIA, 29
29 OAK, 20
30 KC, 15
31 NE, 5
32 TB, T22
 
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Duds; My wife and oldest daughter for scolding me when I yelled like crazy after the Cobb touchdown. They thought I'd wake my grandson. I thought the little beggar should have been awake anyway watching the Packers. So I put my foot down.

Dud; me...for not realizing how uncomfortable the couch is to sleep on....
I thought the punch line was going to be, "It's still way early. Save it for the playoffs." ;)
 
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Really enjoying people putting "2nd half playcalling " in the stud category and "1st half playcalling" in the dud category despite it not really changing
I'm throwing a flag on that. I don't care what McCarthy wants you to believe. Yeah, sure, it's all in the playbook, 1st. half and 2nd. half, we've seen it all before, but the routes being run in the 1st. half had little resemblance to those in the 2nd..

I looked at the coaches tape from the first 4 possessions up through the Rodgers injury and then the first 2 possessions in the second half.

Those first half Rodgers possessions were chockoblock with 5 receivers out, 2 and 3 receivers running deep, the Packer standard issue win the one-on-ones. On the Rodgers second throw of the game, Graham beat the corner off the break on a skinny post. He was wide open with a free run as he crossed behind the ILB. Rodgers was standing in and threw it away. I don't know why Rodgers didn't see that or go there.

The first 2 passess of the second half had everbody running short-to-intermediate combo routes for completions. Up until those last two end zone shots that ended the drive, I saw a total of two deep routes being run.

It gets more interesting in the second possession of the second half, 8 plays, 81 yards, 39 yd. TD to Allison.
  • 6 yard run
  • 1 deep route, 4 short, throw away, intentional grounding
  • 1 deep route, Rodgers hits Allison on an intermediate cross, 15 yards, first down
  • 1 deep route, Rodgers hits Allison on short zone sit down, 12 yards, first down
  • Called play action timing throw in the flat to Allison, 1 yard
  • No deep routes, Rodgers hits Cobb on a zone sit down, 10 yards, first down; Rodgers signaled to Cobb pre-snap, Cobb signaled back, Rodgers was going there all the way
  • No deep routes, check down to Montgomery, 8 yards
  • 2nd. and 2, 3 deep routes, Rodgers hits Allison for the the TD
I stopped there. I'd seen enough. The route trees run on this drive to set up the deep throw had no resemblance to what was being done in the first 4 possessions. The previous possession started that way then stalled out on consecutive long yardage end zone shots.
 
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I need to take a mea culpa on Allison. I've been very critical of his perceived lack of athleticism and skeptical of whether he's really a good player. Not only did he make a great play on that TD catch, but he had a huge catch on 3rd & 14 to convert for a 1st down. Surprisingly, I read that advanced metrics tracked his speed on the long touchdown and it was the fastest that any Packer was measured during the entire game (19 point some off MPH). It would seem in his case that his combine measurables were not a good indicator of what he's capable of.
 

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I need to take a mea culpa on Allison. I've been very critical of his perceived lack of athleticism and skeptical of whether he's really a good player. Not only did he make a great play on that TD catch, but he had a huge catch on 3rd & 14 to convert for a 1st down. Surprisingly, I read that advanced metrics tracked his speed on the long touchdown and it was the fastest that any Packer was measured during the entire game (19 point some off MPH). It would seem in his case that his combine measurables were not a good indicator of what he's capable of.

I'm guilty of not thinking Allison would do much as well. Admittedly, my opinion might have been slightly skewed once news of his Twitter crap was made public. I did like him coming out of college, I think he lit up the Badgers in a game back in 2015, so when I saw that the Packers signed him as an UDFA, I was happy. Only one game, but maybe Allison turns out to be the surprise player for the Packer offense this year?
 

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I'm guilty of not thinking Allison would do much as well. Admittedly, my opinion might have been slightly skewed once news of his Twitter crap was made public. I did like him coming out of college, I think he lit up the Badgers in a game back in 2015, so when I saw that the Packers signed him as an UDFA, I was happy. Only one game, but maybe Allison turns out to be the surprise player for the Packer offense this year?

And maybe those Twitter antics are the only reason he was undrafted, I don't know. Hopefully he's matured and continues to excel and we can all root him on.
 

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And maybe those Twitter antics are the only reason he was undrafted, I don't know. Hopefully he's matured and continues to excel and we can all root him on.

That reminded me to check up on Joe Mixon, a guy we all debated about if the Packers should draft him. He had a nice start to his second season for the Bengals.

17 carries 95 yards 1 TD and 5 receptions for 54 yards.
 
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I never had a problem with Allison's speed, hands or routes. I questioned whether he has the toughness to run inside routes. I believe that's still an open question.
 
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