Packers trade Damarious Randall to Browns

[Deleted member 6794]

I agree and people have to also take into consideration the mess these guys are taking over, Rome wasn't built in one day.

The Browns actually have some decent pieces in place. I'm not convinced Tyrod Taylor is the solution to their quarterback woes though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Browns actually have some decent pieces in place. I'm not convinced Tyrod Taylor is the solution to their quarterback woes though.

Oh I definitely think the Browns could be on the upswing with new Management, along with the Bevy of draft picks they have accumulated. I don't know a ton about Taylor, but I would have to guess he is their band aid until they can either find a QB through the draft or convince a high end FA QB that things are great in Cleveland.

 

[GleefulGary]

The Browns actually have some decent pieces in place. I'm not convinced Tyrod Taylor is the solution to their quarterback woes though.

Nobody thinks he is. They'll draft a QB in the 1st, no doubt. Taylor was traded for to be a bridge.

 

[XPack]

Looks the problem with Randall runs deeper than on-field issues. Article says group of veterans wanted him cut last season, but management stuck by him.

But still Kizer

 

[Curly Calhoun]

The Browns actually have some decent pieces in place. I'm not convinced Tyrod Taylor is the solution to their quarterback woes though.

I'm thinking Taylor is a bridge quarterback, and that the Browns will still spend one of their many draft picks on one for the future. With Taylor onboard, there will be a lot less pressure for the rookie QB to play immediately, so this seems like a prudent move to me.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Looks the problem with Hundley runs deeper than on-field issues. Article says group of veterans wanted him cut last season, but management stuck by him.

But still Kizer

Rumor has it Hundley may be on his way to Oakland:

https://clutchpoints.com/raiders-rumor-oakland-interested-in-brett-hundley/

If you can get something in return for him, that would be a bonus.

 

[XPack]

Rumor has it Hundley may be on his way to Oakland:

https://clutchpoints.com/raiders-rumor-oakland-interested-in-brett-hundley/

If you can get something in return for him, that would be a bonus.

Sorry, I was posting about Randall.

But yeah, I wouldn't mind getting rid of Hundley for anything.

 

[wist43]

Once again, you have to consider the players currently left at cornerback on the depth chart though. The lack of talent is alarming.

No, that's not a consideration b/c the player you're getting rid of is a well below average player.

Sign a mid-level corner out of FA and you're ahead of the game.

The Packers aren't going to stand pat. FA is just beginng, we're still weeks out from the draft...

No need for hand-wringing or panic.

Getting Randall off the roster was a plus all the way around.

 

[GleefulGary]

But...but...why would we trade Hundley when we don't know if Kizer is better?!


And you can guess that Kizer is better, but don't you guarantee it, even when it's obvious our coaching staff and GM think he is.

 

[GleefulGary]

Guys.

Randall was/is not a below average CB. His last 10 games he played really well. His rookie year he played well. His second year he was awful, but he was hurt.

Randall's issues are between his ears. It's beyond clear that the Packers didn't want to commit any kind of money to him long term. That, plus locker room problems are enough to get him traded. It wasn't nearly as much a talent issue as it was a mental issue. Plus, I think the Packers really, really like Kizer.

 

[Dantés]

No, that's not a consideration b/c the player you're getting rid of is a well below average player.

Sign a mid-level corner out of FA and you're ahead of the game.

The Packers aren't going to stand pat. FA is just beginng, we're still weeks out from the draft...

No need for hand-wringing or panic.

Getting Randall off the roster was a plus all the way around.

I don’t mind the trade at all, but Randall played very well at times for the Packers, including down the stretch in 2017. He was well below average at times too. But I think it’s reductive to just say “he sucks and it’s a plus to lose him.”

It sounds like he was a goner because he’s a bad teammate and a locker room cancer. So they wanted to get something for him now before they just let him walk or cut him. Considering that, I like that they got a high upside project at QB and improved their mid round picks.

But losing what he did on the field during the second half is not a plus. It’s put them further behind at a position of need. I agree with you that there’s plenty of time to address the issue, but I don’t think we should dismiss that it creates a pressing need.

 

[easyk83]

Oh I definitely think the Browns could be on the upswing with new Management, along with the Bevy of draft picks they have accumulated. I don't know a ton about Taylor, but I would have to guess he is their band aid until they can either find a QB through the draft or convince a high end FA QB that things are great in Cleveland.

I have to wonder over that coach of their's though, they kind of remind me of the Ray Rhodes led Packers team, only more undisciplined.

 

[easyk83]

I don’t mind the trade at all, but Randall played very well at times for the Packers, including down the stretch in 2017. He was well below average at times too. But I think it’s reductive to just say “he sucks and it’s a plus to lose him.”

It sounds like he was a goner because he’s a bad teammate and a locker room cancer. So they wanted to get something for him now before they just let him walk or cut him. Considering that, I like that they got a high upside project at QB and improved their mid round picks.

But losing what he did on the field during the second half is not a plus. It’s put them further behind at a position of need. I agree with you that there’s plenty of time to address the issue, but I don’t think we should dismiss that it creates a pressing need.

Is there anymore on the locker room cancer bit? I've seen this on forums but not much from actual team writers. I kind of wonder if he wasn't clashing with Dix, our perpetually lost safety and I do recall them arguing on the field occasionally. If writers come out and say that sources are telling them I'd lend them some credence. But it struck me as odd that a player like HaHa complains about a lack of veteran players in the backfield despite his frequent lack of discipline with assignments(pot meet kettle) and doesn't draw notice from McCarthy. Then Randall complains about players not being held accountable(which I wager was about Haha) and bam MM is Johnny on the spot in the press telling Randal to mind his own house. So in MMs world it's ok to call out the FO but don't say anything about the Coaching staff, check.

Regarding Haha, anyone remember this?

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1) A second year man taking a future Hall of Famer to task.

2) Too bad we rarely saw Raji that fired up on the field.

3) Nick Perry was not interested in that spat.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've been on sports teams, there is usually some drama, words exchanged, etc. However, at the end of the day, most realize it's just a part of being around a large group of personalities and it happens, no hard feelings. Guessing it occurs a lot more than we know about at practices, team meetings, locker room, training room etc. When it becomes a problem is when it's the same guy over and over and things are never made right. Or if that guy decides what the coaches have to tell him isn't important enough to keep his mouth shut. McCarthy's end of season comment about Randall needing to get his own house in order still resonates heavily with me. That just seems like something way beyond MM's public comments about players and should have been a big clue that Randall's days in GB were numbered.

 

[easyk83]

I've been on sports teams, there is usually some drama, words exchanged, etc. However, at the end of the day, most realize it's just a part of being around a large group of personalities and it happens, no hard feelings. Guessing it occurs a lot more than we know about at practices, team meetings, locker room, training room etc. When it becomes a problem is when it's the same guy over and over and things are never made right. Or if that guy decides what the coaches have to tell him isn't important enough to keep his mouth shut. McCarthy's end of season comment about Randall needing to get his own house in order still resonates heavily with me. That just seems like something way beyond MM's public comments about players and should have been a big clue that Randall's days in GB were numbered.

Or it could say something about Mike McCarthy, it took MM a long time to acknowledge faults in his coaching staff in public, firing Capers after years of mediocrity. Dix has been seen fighting with players and playing poorly and while his remarks about his teammates and FO didn't draw MMs notice Randall's remarks about coaching did. There's nothing worse than speaking out of turn, and being right.

 

[brandon2348]

I've read some stuff where the Browns plan to move Randall back to FS which is where he should of been the whole time. Randall has more range then HHCD. I would of liked to see what he would of done with the Packers playing FS.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Or it could say something about Mike McCarthy, it took MM a long time to acknowledge faults in his coaching staff in public, firing Capers after years of mediocrity. Dix has been seen fighting with players and playing poorly and while his remarks about his teammates and FO didn't draw MMs notice Randall's remarks about coaching did. There's nothing worse than speaking out of turn, and being right.

I have no clue on MM and how he really handles coaches or players like Randall and HHCD behind closed doors, but I can guarantee that he has had his share of guys who needed a personality adjustment for the betterment of the team. Personally, I don't think situations like that should be handled publically, all that probably does is just further ****** off the guy being reprimanded. But emotions fly, things are said and its part of life.

There are also a difference between player to player (team) relationships and player to coaches (management) relationships. From what I remember, Josh Sitton was a well liked teammate, but he said some things that ticked off the front office and coaches.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've read some stuff where the Browns plan to move Randall back to FS where is where he should of been the whole time. Randall has more range then HHCD. I would of liked to see what he would of done with the Packers playing FS.

I agree and makes more sense why Dorsey and Wolf endorsed the trade, they saw potential in him as a FS.

 

[Dantés]

Is there anymore on the locker room cancer bit? I've seen this on forums but not much from actual team writers. I kind of wonder if he wasn't clashing with Dix, our perpetually lost safety and I do recall them arguing on the field occasionally. If writers come out and say that sources are telling them I'd lend them some credence. But it struck me as odd that a player like HaHa complains about a lack of veteran players in the backfield despite his frequent lack of discipline with assignments(pot meet kettle) and doesn't draw notice from McCarthy. Then Randall complains about players not being held accountable(which I wager was about Haha) and bam MM is Johnny on the spot in the press telling Randal to mind his own house. So in MMs world it's ok to call out the FO but don't say anything about the Coaching staff, check.

Regarding Haha, anyone remember this?

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1) A second year man taking a future Hall of Famer to task.

2) Too bad we rarely saw Raji that fired up on the field.

3) Nick Perry was not interested in that spat.

The long and short of the report is that a group of veterans advised the coaching staff to release him. We can devise agenda driven theories all day long, but that’s what the guys who cover the team have reported. I don’t see why it would be hard to believe. It’s been obvious for years that Randall is a head case.

 

[Dantés]

We shall see what the Browns do with Randall and how it works out. I’d reiterate that single high safety is not a position that Randall has ever called home, including in college. It would seem like a bad fit with his penchant for mental errors.

 

[sschind]

Once again, you have to consider the players currently left at cornerback on the depth chart though. The lack of talent is alarming.

You keep saying that but would you feel a whole lot better if we still had Randall? I wouldn't. A little better perhaps but not nearly enough that I wouldn't consider CB a major problem area. We can probably draft a CB with both of those draft picks we upgraded and odds are we get someone better, maybe from day 1. I do not think it will be difficult to replace Randall so we really don't need to do that much more than we needed to do before.

 

[sschind]

I agree and people have to also take into consideration the mess these guys are taking over, Rome wasn't built in one day.

How long did it take to build Rome? Probably not nearly as long as the Browns have sucked..

 

[easyk83]

The long and short of the report is that a group of veterans advised the coaching staff to release him. We can devise agenda driven theories all day long, but that’s what the guys who cover the team have reported. I don’t see why it would be hard to believe. It’s been obvious for years that Randall is a head case.

I dont doubt the part about the Vets but I wonder when that happened, was this during the season or after the season? Was this right after he walked off the field or did this come later?

As for him being a "head case" he's had some inconsistency influenced by his injuries and lord knows that he hasn't come across as very mature, see him walking off the field, but head case? I haven't heard enough to suggest that he's in say Brandon Underwood territory, Ie pushing his wife out of a moving car or bringing strippers to a condo shared with teammates and then refusing to pay them. Or that he's in that territory with the players who typically earn that phrase. Guys like Moss Rison in particular constantly had little annecdotes bubbling out in the press, Randall seems almost muted in comparison.

 

[easyk83]

I have no clue on MM and how he really handles coaches or players like Randall and HHCD behind closed doors, but I can guarantee that he has had his share of guys who needed a personality adjustment for the betterment of the team. Personally, I don't think situations like that should be handled publically, all that probably does is just further ****** off the guy being reprimanded. But emotions fly, things are said and its part of life.

There are also a difference between player to player (team) relationships and player to coaches (management) relationships. From what I remember, Josh Sitton was a well liked teammate, but he said some things that ticked off the front office and coaches.

My take on MM is that he puts a premium on loyalty. He expects loyalty and he gives loyalty in return. See his refusal to do anything about Capers, despite years of mediocrity. Likewise look at the way he stuck with other players and coaches sometimes for good and sometimes for ill. He was loyal to his guy Aaron Rodgers through the Favre fiasco, he was loyal to Jim Campen despite calls for his head for a couple years and see his commitment to Crosby.

When Randall found fault in MMs staff, that was likely a big no no in his eyes. Which is why he called out Randall and didn't call out Dix. One found fault in MMs staff and the other found fault with the OF and by implication his teammates.

 

[easyk83]

You keep saying that but would you feel a whole lot better if we still had Randall? I wouldn't. A little better perhaps but not nearly enough that I wouldn't consider CB a major problem area. We can probably draft a CB with both of those draft picks we upgraded and odds are we get someone better, maybe from day 1. I do not think it will be difficult to replace Randall so we really don't need to do that much more than we needed to do before.

Getting someone better from Day 1 who has never played an NFL snap? Let me tell you about the birds the bees and the NFL draft.

History dictates the following, even with good D&D teams if we draft two CBs in the first 2 rounds odds are that one of them will suck.

BTW For the love of God please do not draft Josh Jackson at 14. It'll take me back to when we drafted Dix at 23.