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Release or trade

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As a co-Jets and Packers fan, I have to say that the Jets would be making a huge mistake to give up those picks for Rogers. That would be mortgaging a big chunk of their future for a guy who *might* last a couple of years(?) -- they're a team on the rise, and would be much better off getting a QB through free agency.
That’s true about the trade off. As far as getting a Free agent? How did that work for Denver exactly or Detroit? Keep in mind there could be conditions on future selections in a trade deal. As in the Packers don’t get the draft selections (or possibly later rounds) if he doesn’t play.

So in fact, it’s a very good possibility that the Jets aren’t getting Rodgers without their #7 overall (in some capacity meaning Maybe getting a later draft selection such as switching rounds, which is common) I’d still expect GB would get draftselections in both years. Possibly just one 1st Rounder though. Some team will easily give up a Day 1 and some Day 2 selections for Rodgers.

I doubt Lamar is let go. I doubt Brady comes back. That leaves Daniel Jones, David Carr and Aaron Rodgers as probable choices. Which one do you think would draw the most interest?
 
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That’s true about the trade off. As far as getting a Free agent? How did that work for Denver exactly or Detroit? Keep in mind there could be conditions on future selections in a trade deal. As in the Packers don’t get the draft selections (or possibly later rounds) if he doesn’t play.

So in fact, it’s a very good possibility that the Jets aren’t getting Rodgers without their #7 overall (in some capacity meaning Maybe getting a later draft selection such as switching rounds, which is common) I’d still expect GB would get draftselections in both years. Possibly just one 1st Rounder though. Some team will easily give up a Day 1 and some Day 2 selections for Rodgers because him playing below average is still a top 10 QB.

The Jets would be smart to just allow their #7 overall this year and then a couple future 2nd or 3rd rounders if he continues to play. NY would be dangerous with Rodgers. Especially if they went out and signed him another key FA weapon or two. They would instantly be deep postseason favorites and they’d be a top AFC contender starting now. Rodgers already knows that system and he’d want to prove GB wrong. Trust me on that.
Not sure whether you’re talking about Russell Wilson, but he was traded.there’s no particular reason why obtaining a qb via free agency wouldn’t work out.
 
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Not sure whether you’re talking about Russell Wilson, but he was traded.there’s no particular reason why obtaining a qb via free agency wouldn’t work out.
Which QB then? who sais that QB won’t have other suitors. Getting Aaron Rodgers is a stratosphere above any other name available and feasible. Really as a Jets fan, they’d be lucky to even get a shot at #12. The fact he might only play 2 seasons or so is really a blessing. The Jets couldn’t afford a 35 year old version of Rodgers. Just ask GB!
 
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As far as the $60KK; I just don't think money considerations should be put above what is best for the team. Mistakes are made in draft picks and in giving out salaries. You don't in my opinion play someone if it is better for the team to play somebody else. PROBABLY we have a better record with Rodgers but now is the time to find out things about Love imho which I think is important for the franchise to know.

Don't fool yourself, Rodgers is a significant upgrade over Love entering next season. The only reason the Packers would think about trading Rodgers if he decides to come up is the price tag included in his current deal. They won't pay him all the money to have him sit on the bench though.

Stop, Gute absolutely could play hardball right back - it would be tough but they could afford both and tell him Love is starting.

That would be an extremely stupid move by Gutekunst and actually should get him close to being fired.

FYI, it would result in the Packers having to pay their backup quarterback $60 million in cash for holding a clipboard in 2023 while the team would take a total of $100 million of cap hits over the next two seasons for having Rodgers as their backup quarterback for one year.

That doesn't sound to be a solid approach and definitely doesn't give Gutekunst any leverage in the situation.

The Bucs we so damn close the year before Brady joined them. That team, aside from Winston, was stacked. They missed the playoffs by 1 game if memories serves...with their quarterback throwing 30 picks.

I'm with Mondio--I don't think there any team in the league quite that close right now.

The Bucs were stacked on offense before Brady signed with them but they had a terrible defense in 2018. In my opinion the Jets are currently the team just a QB away from being a legit contender.

I'm not sure on teams cap situations, but there are some out there. Yes, the Jets are one of them. I'd say the Falcons, Texans, Colts, Raiders, Patriots, Saints, 49ers, Bucs, Titans, and Commanders could all use upgrades. Those that would be a QB away might be the Bucs, Raiders, maybe the Patriots. Possibly the Colts. Jets do make the most sense.

I don't consider any other team than the Jets being just a QB away from being a legit contender. Most of the teams you listed would need to improve their defense as well, which would be tough while giving up significant draft capital to acquire Rodgers as well.

Schefter's take (reported by Erin Walsh) on the Rodgers situation, for what its worth. He makes some very good points.

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I truly believe Rodgers won't make it dependent on playing for a specific team (Jets) if he decides to return.

Yes. When you watch Loves progression, there’s no denying he looks much more comfortable as of late. It was 37-23 Eagles, but after the Watson TD, it was a 7 point contest. Had our Defense not given up a 3 point FG on the ensuing drive??

It’s 30-37 and our Offense moved all the way down to the Philadelphia 14 with 1:13 on the clock and 4th n 4.
If he makes that first down? It’s 1st n goal with under 1 minute with 3 timeouts and 4 tries to score using any combination of run or pass available. On that drive #33 also dropped a perfect pass that hit our RB square on the numbers. That dropped pass would’ve resulted in a 1st and 10 from their 12 yardline with 1:50 to play and 3 timeouts.

Jordan really played good enough to Win that game, it was our Defense that came up short.

Jordan was 6/9 for 113 yards passing and 146.8 passer for 10 points. All That after a perfectly placed and dropped pass by #33 at the Philly 12 yardline. The only thing that stopped him was we needed 2 scores so we kicked a FG. He was really 7/9 and the other 2 passes thrown were both in very tight windows, but he took care of the ball and didn’t give the Defense a chance to steal it.

There's no doubt Love looked promising vs. the Eagles. You need to consider Philly was playing prevent defenses and allowed him to throw to his first read on every single throw. In addition they didn't blitz him at all.

As a co-Jets and Packers fan, I have to say that the Jets would be making a huge mistake to give up those picks for Rogers. That would be mortgaging a big chunk of their future for a guy who *might* last a couple of years(?) -- they're a team on the rise, and would be much better off getting a QB through free agency.

The Jets won't be able to get a quarterback even close to being as talented as Rodgers in free agency though.

I think Vegas is still an option for a destination for AR.

I highly doubt the Raiders have a decent chance of landing Rodgers.
 

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Again I said nothing about whether smart or not or fiscal or not. Gute absolutely could however.
 

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The Bucs were stacked on offense before Brady signed with them but they had a terrible defense in 2018. In my opinion the Jets are currently the team just a QB away from being a legit contender.

I don't consider any other team than the Jets being just a QB away from being a legit contender. Most of the teams you listed would need to improve their defense as well, which would be tough while giving up significant draft capital to acquire Rodgers as well.

I truly believe Rodgers won't make it dependent on playing for a specific team (Jets) if he decides to return.
Baltimore Ravens are much closer to SB contending IF they had a decent quarterback for the playoffs the last 2 years. As I pointed out in another thread the Ravens could tag/trade Jackson for a significant draft-pick-haul, trade some of those picks to GB for AR AND be in a better financial situation than making Lamar Jackson the highest paid QB (guaranteed $) and possibly NOT have him for the playoffs, again.
 

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FYI, it would result in the Packers having to pay their backup quarterback $60 million in cash for holding a clipboard in 2023 while the team would take a total of $100 million of cap hits over the next two seasons for having Rodgers as their backup quarterback for one year.
This!! To have AR a Packer, even for just the '23 season, costs GB $100Mil in cap hits over the next 2 seasons. Love, a coached-up-for-3-seasons 1st day draft pick is waiting in the wings. Even if he's not an MVP-caliber QB in '23 is the best QB for the Packers cost-wise, IMHO. Should the Packers spend $100Mil for 8, 9, 10 or 11 wins & a possible playoff spot OR take the cap hit of $40.3Mil and roll with Love (who gets his $4mil regardless of sitting or playing) and get 5-10 wins & possible playoff spot?
 

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Don't fool yourself, Rodgers is a significant upgrade over Love entering next season. The only reason the Packers would think about trading Rodgers if he decides to come up is the price tag included in his current deal. They won't pay him all the money to have him sit on the bench though.
I agree. My hope is they can figure out one more year. Trading probably makes the most sense, but with Love, I only consider us at having a chance at the playoffs. Probably not even that.
I don't consider any other team than the Jets being just a QB away from being a legit contender. Most of the teams you listed would need to improve their defense as well, which would be tough while giving up significant draft capital to acquire Rodgers as well.
I don't disagree. I'm just saying that a GM who is trying to save their job might think that they are a QB away. Maybe the Colts because they have a solid defense and Taylor at RB. They need a QB in a pretty bad way. Same with the Bucs. Raiders internally might think they are a QB away. Our thoughts as fans as far as a roster outlook I'm sure is much different than GMs and owners.
 

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I didn't think action started till March 15th?

I think that because Carr was released (not an expiring contract) he is free to sign with any team before that date. Also, March 15th is the official start of the league year. There are "legal tampering" dates before it (3/13-15th). All that said, agents and teams seem to be always working behind the scenes on trades, signings, restructures etc. Whether they do it legally or find loopholes, I don't know.

I wonder if the Raiders will question this transaction at all. Since they gave permission for the Saints to chat with Carr, before they released him. One has to wonder if there was any "let the Raiders release you, then we don't lose any draft picks and we can guarantee you more money"...*wink wink wink*
 
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I wonder if the Raiders will question this transaction at all. Since they gave permission for the Saints to chat with Carr, before they released him. One has to wonder if there was any "let the Raiders release you, then we don't lose any draft picks and we can guarantee you more money"...*wink wink wink*
They can question all they want, they were the idiots that wrote his last contract with guarantees of '23 salary ($32.9Mil) + $7.5Mil of '24 which was due on 2/14 OR be cut. The Raiders screwed themselves, no wrong-doing by Carr or NO.
 

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They can question all they want, they were the idiots that wrote his last contract with guarantees of '23 salary ($32.9Mil) + $7.5Mil of '24 which was due on 2/14 OR be cut. The Raiders screwed themselves, no wrong-doing by Carr or NO.
Oh I am not absolving the Raiders of being idiots one bit. I think between them and the Browns, they are just constantly tripping over themselves in different ways. What I was pointing out was that the Saints had no incentive to trade for Carr, when it was obvious to everyone that the Raiders were going to be forced to cut him. We see that all the time in the NFL. Given that the Saints finally signed Carr, I can't imagine them not having some type of conversation with him during that visit, on how they planned on trying to obtain him.
 

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Don't fool yourself, Rodgers is a significant upgrade over Love entering next season. The only reason the Packers would think about trading Rodgers if he decides to come up is the price tag included in his current deal. They won't pay him all the money to have him sit on the bench though.



That would be an extremely stupid move by Gutekunst and actually should get him close to being fired.

FYI, it would result in the Packers having to pay their backup quarterback $60 million in cash for holding a clipboard in 2023 while the team would take a total of $100 million of cap hits over the next two seasons for having Rodgers as their backup quarterback for one year.

That doesn't sound to be a solid approach and definitely doesn't give Gutekunst any leverage in the situation.



The Bucs were stacked on offense before Brady signed with them but they had a terrible defense in 2018. In my opinion the Jets are currently the team just a QB away from being a legit contender.



I don't consider any other team than the Jets being just a QB away from being a legit contender. Most of the teams you listed would need to improve their defense as well, which would be tough while giving up significant draft capital to acquire Rodgers as well.



I truly believe Rodgers won't make it dependent on playing for a specific team (Jets) if he decides to return.



There's no doubt Love looked promising vs. the Eagles. You need to consider Philly was playing prevent defenses and allowed him to throw to his first read on every single throw. In addition they didn't blitz him at all.



The Jets won't be able to get a quarterback even close to being as talented as Rodgers in free agency though.



I highly doubt the Raiders have a decent chance of landing Rodgers.
What makes you believe Vegas doesn't have a decent chance to land Rodgers?
 
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Again I said nothing about whether smart or not or fiscal or not. Gute absolutely could however.

It doesn't make any sense to suggest Gutekunst could play hardball with Rodgers as well while ignoring the consequences of it (you know, the $100 million cap hit over the next two seasons).

Baltimore Ravens are much closer to SB contending IF they had a decent quarterback for the playoffs the last 2 years. As I pointed out in another thread the Ravens could tag/trade Jackson for a significant draft-pick-haul, trade some of those picks to GB for AR AND be in a better financial situation than making Lamar Jackson the highest paid QB (guaranteed $) and possibly NOT have him for the playoffs, again.

It's an interesting idea. I never thought about the Ravens being a possible destination for Rodgers.

This!! To have AR a Packer, even for just the '23 season, costs GB $100Mil in cap hits over the next 2 seasons. Love, a coached-up-for-3-seasons 1st day draft pick is waiting in the wings. Even if he's not an MVP-caliber QB in '23 is the best QB for the Packers cost-wise, IMHO. Should the Packers spend $100Mil for 8, 9, 10 or 11 wins & a possible playoff spot OR take the cap hit of $40.3Mil and roll with Love (who gets his $4mil regardless of sitting or playing) and get 5-10 wins & possible playoff spot?

The Packers would need Rodgers to agree to spreading out that guaranteed money to make it work from a cap perspective. That's why I have suggested that they're most likely asking him to commit to at least playing another two seasons if they want to retain him.

It's insane to suggest he should be the backup while making an additional $60 million though.

I agree. My hope is they can figure out one more year.

I don't believe there's any viable option of keeping Rodgers for only a single season.

I'm just saying that a GM who is trying to save their job might think that they are a QB away. Maybe the Colts because they have a solid defense and Taylor at RB. They need a QB in a pretty bad way. Same with the Bucs. Raiders internally might think they are a QB away. Our thoughts as fans as far as a roster outlook I'm sure is much different than GMs and owners.

While those general managers might think they're only a quarterback away from being a contender they need to convince Rodgers about it as well. None of those teams you mentioned had a decent defense though, making it a tough sell to #12 though.

What I was pointing out was that the Saints had no incentive to trade for Carr, when it was obvious to everyone that the Raiders were going to be forced to cut him. We see that all the time in the NFL. Given that the Saints finally signed Carr, I can't imagine them not having some type of conversation with him during that visit, on how they planned on trying to obtain him.

It was pretty obvious there wasn't any team trading for Carr as the Raiders would be forced to release him in mid-February. As Las Vegas allowed the Saints to talk to Carr before that happened there's nothing to complain about it.

What makes you believe Vegas doesn't have a decent chance to land Rodgers?

I don't think Rodgers would consider them being only a QB away from being a contender.
 

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LoL you just cannot accept a statement as true lol Gute could absolutely play hardball - fact.

Doing so would be fiscally irresponsible - fact.
 

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Officially placing prediction of Jets trade:

Packers Send Aaron Rodgers / 15th Pick / 259th Pick

Jets Send 13th Pick / 43rd Pick / 74th Pick / 2024 Conditional Pick Starting at a 3rd + one non-elite player (think Clemons, Ruckert...level)

Essentially Rodgers for a 2nd and two thirds and a depth guy
 

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Now the word is Rogers and the Jets have talked yesterday (with the Packers permission of course). And that Rogers is okay with playing with the Jets. Can we just get this over with?
 

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Officially placing prediction of Jets trade:

Packers Send Aaron Rodgers / 15th Pick / 259th Pick

Jets Send 13th Pick / 43rd Pick / 74th Pick / 2024 Conditional Pick Starting at a 3rd + one non-elite player (think Clemons, Ruckert...level)

Essentially Rodgers for a 2nd and two thirds and a depth guy
I'd hope for a little more, possibly #13 for our #45 (instead of our #15) and I would also love to get Ruckert onto our roster... liked him last year & was sad to see him passed over for Rhyan in the 3rd round.
*** Edit *** Per NFLDraftBuzz's ranking of 83.3 Ruckert would be #7 in this year's draft right behind Sam LaPorta - so in the low 2nd/high 3rd round.
 
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Essentially Rodgers for a 2nd and two thirds and a depth guy
Better than a conditional 4th rounder for sure. If that is all they get, one has to wonder what they would have gotten if this process had started in February or even better, last year.
 

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